SOLD

Cross posting this over here from Classifieds forum, since it might be more of the targeted audience...

Had a coworker bug me forever for my CMP M1 Garand. Since I don't shoot it enough, I finally broke down and came to terms with selling it and letting others experience the joy of *ping* and then he backed out. I've already parted ways mentally, so was going to offer it here. If no takers, she'll head back to the safe.

Gun-
CMP Service Grade HRA Garand from 1954 if memory serves. Original walnut stock, replacement birch handguards from CMP. See pic for condition of muzzle/throat at time of purchase. If my math is right, I have fired 133 rounds since purchase.

Ammo-
One full ammo can of 192rds M2 ball in bandoleers. One more bandoleer (6 full clips) and two more full clips (8rds each). 35 rounds of competition grade reloads. Total 291 rounds. *NOTE* Garands can ONLY use Garand load rated ammo, not regular 30.06. This currently runs over $1 a round retail.

Other-
Original tag with measurements, two owners guides/books, and if you want it, original CMP certificate, but my info is on it.

Does not look like CMP is selling service grade rifles anymore or surplus ammo at this time.

Total with everything $1600. Must be legally able to own a firearm and complete a bill of sale. I live in San Antonio and work in Austin, so can meet anywhere in that metroplex area, although SA would be more ideal.

Text - 2Ten3Ten4889

Interested in selling just the ammo?

Currently wanting to keep it as a package deal, but if someone else is interested in the gun only, I'll get back with you.

Drool....


I do not need to drive to SA when I get home... I do not need to drive to SA when I get home... I do not need to drive to SA when I get home...

Darn it. I shelled out $1600 cash for a riding mower this morning. If I had seen this then I would have just borrowed my Dad's mower for a while. Probably for the best, I could have picked it up this afternoon!

Beautiful gun


I didn't realize that you were not supposed to shoot modern 30-06 rounds through them. I guess being a semi auto thats a lot of rounds through an older action.

agsalaska said:

---

Beautiful gun


I didn't realize that you were not supposed to shoot modern 30-06 rounds through them. I guess being a semi auto thats a lot of rounds through an older action.

---

.

It's not the number of rounds that's the problem, it's the load. Modern 30-06 rounds use more gunpowder than the M1 was designed to handle. You run the risk of bending the op rod. That's not big deal if the M1 is a mix master, but if it's a correct gun (collectable), getting a replacement op rod that matches becomes a challenge. I've got a mix master and a correct M1. I'm guessing this is a mix master, almost all the CMP M1s are. Great guns in any case. My favorite gun to shoot.

You can do a lot more than bending an op rod. Modern ammo can kaboom the whole action.

JB!98, after you use that nice riding mower, you're going to need to protect the lawn, right?

And I'll add I'm not married to the price, but I think it's close. It's been so long since I've hung around the Garand forums and haven't really kept up with pricing. Hard to get value amounts from a gun that every individual one seems unique. Model years, conditions, manufacturers, source, etc.

A quick search through sites like Gunbroker show just some stupid high prices and with the CMP not selling that specific condition anymore, it's hard to get an actual retail comparison. My coworker wanted it for $750 (and probably throw the ammo in free). HA!

AggieFanInSA said:

---

JB!98, after you use that nice riding mower, you're going to need to protect the lawn, right?

---

Ha, I already have one, but it has a bent op rod due to the ammo discussion mentioned above. It is never to late to add another to the stable!

Parts mixing wasn't necessarily done by the CMP or military post-war maintenance or upgrades. There's a section in Ambrose's book Citizen Soldiers where he talks about how Ordnance units would receive damaged weapons, strip them down, throwing all the usable parts into bins and dumping the damaged bits. They would then reassemble as many guns as they could from the parts in the bins.

Personally, I love military firearms that look like they have more history. Give me a rifle with a scuffed up stock with a painted rack number on it any day. Special bonus points for a soldier's initials or other personal marks on the stock.

Smeghead4761 said:

---

Parts mixing wasn't necessarily done by the CMP or military post-war maintenance or upgrades. There's a section in Ambrose's book Citizen Soldiers where he talks about how Ordnance units would receive damaged weapons, strip them down, throwing all the usable parts into bins and dumping the damaged bits. They would then reassemble as many guns as they could from the parts in the bins.

Personally, I love military firearms that look like they have more history. Give me a rifle with a scuffed up stock with a painted rack number on it any day. Special bonus points for a soldier's initials or other personal marks on the stock.

---

Never said CMP made the mixed masters. Almost all of them were Armory rebuilds, though CMP did create some to meet demand.

Kenneth_2003 said:

---

You can do a lot more than bending an op rod. Modern ammo can kaboom the whole action.

---

Never seen a report of that happening in Garand. May have happened, I've just never heard of it. Seen more bent op rods than I can count though.

Mostly from shooting hotter loads over 150 grain.

Not trying to be political, just thought anyone checking out this thread would get a laugh out of this anti-gun Tweet

What kind of powder would let 150 grains fit into a 30'06 casing? Guess your talking bullet weight?
Armorers I know have always said loads that develop CUP at below 50,000 are ok to shoot in Garands... not really relating to bullet weight.... just keep your load below 50,000 CUP.
Older Winchester model 100's were the same.

Classic dumb***s leftist comment. They don't know come here from sic em.

Don't sell it

Other issues can cause bent operating rods.... like assembly error, lack of proper cleaning and lubrication, etc.

I'm talking about commercial ammunition. I'm just relating what CMP recommends and what I was told when I bought mine. I've never had any issue with mine shooting any commercial ammo with lighter bullets that have less initial inertia to overcome. Lighter bullet weight generally results in less peak pressure but yes, I suppose you could load heavier bullets with safer pressures

Believe me, I've wrestled with the decision, but mostly because it's a fun gun to shoot, not really sentimental. I remember taking my Garand to the range and a buddy brought his Mosin Nagant. He shot a full clip through mine and then he let me have the misfortune of firing that piece of crap. Clearly wasn't a fair deal. I didn't want to finish the magazine, but I did out of spite.

When I originally purchased the M1 it was a bit of a connection to one grandfather, but I have since learned he carried an M1 Carbine in the European theater. If I get another WW2 (or Korean) era gun, it will be the carbine.

AG81 said:

---

Kenneth_2003 said:

---

You can do a lot more than bending an op rod. Modern ammo can kaboom the whole action.

---

Never seen a report of that happening in Garand. May have happened, I've just never heard of it. Seen more bent op rods than I can count though.

---

Quick YouTube shows this moron shooting steel cased russian stuff. Oddly he said Cabelas offered to fix the gun for free.



There are others. First one I saw years ago, was a young kid. Saved up, bought his Garand, got a box of 308 and it kaboomed on the very first shot.

Kenneth_2003 said:

---

AG81 said:

---

Kenneth_2003 said:

---

You can do a lot more than bending an op rod. Modern ammo can kaboom the whole action.

---

Never seen a report of that happening in Garand. May have happened, I've just never heard of it. Seen more bent op rods than I can count though.

---

Quick YouTube shows this moron shooting steel cased russian stuff. Oddly he said Cabelas offered to fix the gun for free.



There are others. First one I saw years ago, was a young kid. Saved up, bought his Garand, got a box of 308 and it kaboomed on the very first shot.

---

Cracking a stock and blowing up the action are SIGNIFICANTLY different things.

I guess so. Using .308 in a Garand.

AG81 said:

---

agsalaska said:

---

Beautiful gun


I didn't realize that you were not supposed to shoot modern 30-06 rounds through them. I guess being a semi auto thats a lot of rounds through an older action.

---

.

It's not the number of rounds that's the problem, it's the load. Modern 30-06 rounds use more gunpowder than the M1 was designed to handle. You run the risk of bending the op rod. That's not big deal if the M1 is a mix master, but if it's a correct gun (collectable), getting a replacement op rod that matches becomes a challenge. I've got a mix master and a correct M1. I'm guessing this is a mix master, almost all the CMP M1s are. Great guns in any case. My favorite gun to shoot.

---

Interesting.

When I was thinking about number of rounds I was thinking along the lines of .38+p in revolvers not rated for it. You can do it just don't want to do it a lot. And the ammo in my mind was 150gr CoreLokt.

If Garands can have serious issues with modern loads that makes the older 03s especially dangerous. They upgraded the 03s to handle the same cartridges used in the Garand correct?

Gunny456 said:

---

What kind of powder would let 150 grains fit into a 30'06 casing? Guess your talking bullet weight?
Armorers I know have always said loads that develop CUP at below 50,000 are ok to shoot in Garands... not really relating to bullet weight.... just keep your load below 50,000 CUP.
Older Winchester model 100's were the same.

---

This is correct, it's about pressure built by modern powders that burn faster and produce pressure faster.

Replacing an op-rod can be difficult weather you want it to be correct or not. A Winchester op-rod probably won't work in the IHC rifle as they got their milling tools from Springfield. But I have seen Springfield op-rods that didn't work well in Springfield rifles because of wear. Wearing out op-rods is what will eventually stop M1's from shooting not the lack of ammo.

This. Good post.

CT'97 said:

---

Gunny456 said:

---

What kind of powder would let 150 grains fit into a 30'06 casing? Guess your talking bullet weight?
Armorers I know have always said loads that develop CUP at below 50,000 are ok to shoot in Garands... not really relating to bullet weight.... just keep your load below 50,000 CUP.
Older Winchester model 100's were the same.

---

This is correct, it's about pressure built by modern powders that burn faster and produce pressure faster.

Replacing an op-rod can be difficult weather you want it to be correct or not. A Winchester op-rod probably won't work in the IHC rifle as they got their milling tools from Springfield. But I have seen Springfield op-rods that didn't work well in Springfield rifles because of wear. Wearing out op-rods is what will eventually stop M1's from shooting not the lack of ammo.

---

I bought some kind of gas plug that threads into my old garand to allow it to shoot modern ammo. like this one:

Ported Gas Plug - M1 Garand- GarandGear

Those help but by the time the gas depresses the plunger and starts venting the gas has already imparted the energy on the oprod and it slams forward with more force than from the older powders.