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Best way to kill mesquire

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General Omar
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New to ranching. What is/are the best herbicides to kill mesquite in my pasture? Using Remedy 2/3 and Sendero 1/3 in a pump sprayer with surfactant. Was wondering if there was a more efficient way
General Omar '79
Catag94
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A Cat 330 with a grubber does a fine job!
DargelSkout
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Catag94 said:

A Cat 330 with a grubber does a fine job!

Username checks out.
ComeAndTakeIt
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https://texnat.tamu.edu/about/brush-busters/mesquite/
Naveronski
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Fire
dr_boogs
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Welcome to the fight. Good group of mesquite busters here on the OB. You'll get some great advice. Have my hands full right now will try to reply later.

Edit: We have used basilar spray, canopy spray, grubbing, aerial, and cut stump. They all work, and all have pros and cons based on your property size, tree density and tree size, and plan/desired end use.

Sendero and surfactant in water is very effective, but you must cover the entire plant and get all leaves. Miss a branch, it will live and the tree will come back. So for bigger and taller trees, you end up wasting a lot of chemical in the air.

Basilar spray w remedy and surfactant works great too, but you need to mix w diesel not water. That technique works well for medium sized trees without thick bark and aren't so thick you can't get to individual trunks.

Grubbing works very well, but you have to get the tap root and know what you are doing. And also if you take the trees you have to schedule a burn. We've been in a burn ban for 2 years.

Cut stump - very rewarding. Nothing like cutting one of those sobs down w a chainsaw. But very slow. We do this in winter when it's cooler and snake activity is not a problem. Paint the stump within 2 minutes w a 25%remedy 75% diesel mix. Get it on cut surface and all remaining bark. Kill will be 95% plus. Wait longer than a few minutes to paint and your kill goes way down.

Aerial is the most niche in my opinion, as it knocks the mesquite back and does kill some. This allows grass to return in short term for improved grazing efficiency. But you'll have a lot of trees survive and come back 3-5 years after an aerial treatment. That's my experience in Coleman county. We are covered up w mesquite. Been killing them since 1997.
Lola68
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Nukes. Small yield.
W TX Refugee
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How late is too late to spray Sendera. I have read end of July time frame. Thinking about trying to spray around the house tomorrow.
Goodest Poster
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With thy sword, good knight.
Always the most goodest
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General Omar said:

New to ranching. What is/are the best herbicides to kill mesquite in my pasture? Using Remedy 2/3 and Sendero 1/3 in a pump sprayer with surfactant. Was wondering if there was a more efficient way
Not diluting the Remedy or Sendero? Sorry if I read it wrong...
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Methinks the best way is to challenge him to a duel over the honor of m'lady, The Duchess of Rack.
DrEvazanPhD
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Probably should ask if you have a budget
SWCBonfire
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W TX Refugee said:

How late is too late to spray Sendera. I have read end of July time frame. Thinking about trying to spray around the house tomorrow.


Couple of things factor into sendero... mesquite must not be focused on bean production, and the main thing in Texas during a bad drought - mesquite must have a sufficient amount of healthy leaves without a lot of leaf drop to absorb the foliar spray.

I would strongly suggest basal spray with diesel and remedy right now, but sendero works great in the right conditions. But a dry stem sucks that basal treatment up in August and it works just as well if not better with the tree under stress from heat and drought.
W TX Refugee
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Thanks. I have been trying to spray some trees under and around some oaks for the last couple of months and have not gotten it done. Might have to wait until next year.
General Omar
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Dr. Evazan,

Don't really have a set budget...Have 60 acres outside of Rockdale with 45 of those acres being open pasture. New to ranching...I know 60 acres is not a ranch to most, but it is the biggest plot of land I have ever owned and I want to do things right. Spot sprayed with Remedy/Sendero/Sufactant and water this last weekend, but get all sorts of anectdodal advice from neighbors. I wanted to come to this board to get advice from those who really know AND have experience. Thanks to all for responding
General Omar '79
SWCBonfire
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I basal spray mesquites under oak and pecan trees all the time... don't wait for them to get larger. Keep the diesel/remedy on the stem/ground runners and it 100% will not harm your oak tree.

That said, if the mesquite is near oak roots at the surface, don't spray it. I'd get a grubbing hoe and dig/cut it off below the root crown.
SanAntoneAg
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https://agrilifeextension.tamu.edu/library/ranching/brush-busters-how-to-beat-mesquite/
Gig 'em! '90
tree91
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Best way to kill a mesquite? Water it and fertilize it.
rangelady
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Naveronski said:

Fire


does not kill mesquite.
rangelady
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W TX Refugee said:

How late is too late to spray Sendera. I have read end of July time frame. Thinking about trying to spray around the house tomorrow.


Depends upon where in TX yiu are, stage of growth, among other things.

IPT window of opportunity wider than aerial application.
TAMUallen
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Basal spray generic remedy. Pray for a drought then you'll get almost 100 percent

I've sprayed so many mesquites. Some just don't want to die. It might take a few applications for the stubborn ones that have been cut down or eaten on by livestock
OldAg68
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We've had pretty good luck with Sendero.

We spray in mid may to mid June in bandera/uvalde county.
Allen76
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If you are using your mix to spray only mesquite, then you are wasting money on the Remedy.

Foliar application of Sendero at 1% to water and add 1/2 % surfactant. It will still kill all the way through the growing season but is less effective as you get into late summer. Most of this is because the growth has slowed, but there is also weather damage and grasshopper damage that reduces the leaf intake of the herbicide.

Sendero requires no special license.

A newer herbicide is out called Invora, but it requires an applicators license and a small training on the acid in the herbicide. Invora has triclopyr in it so it will also interact with other brush. The main chemical is Aminocyclopyrachlor. My neighbor aerial sprayed with Invora a few weeks ago. Everything looks dead. It says it will control mesquite for 10+ years. We shall see.

For me, I spray only mesquite with Sendero. Then if I spray cactus or any other species of brush, I use Surmount (picloram) which requires a license.

I never mix the two just because of wasted money. Sendero is about $175.00 per gallon. Other herbicides are a little bit lower but still expensive.
Bronco6G
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I take my backhoe and dig it out, cut the tap root with the hoe and paint the cut with diesel/ remedy mixture, 100% kill ratio and they never come back.
Allen76
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BTW - time to spray..... label says to spray when soil temp at 12 inches deep is 75 degrees. There are maps online on this that you can google.

When I first started using Sendero, maybe 8 or so years ago, my date for that soil temperature was May 20th in Medina County. Since then it seems to have gotten hotter sooner almost every year. And I start spraying sooner and sooner. So far, the earlier applications (early May) always outperform the later applications. I have a huge population of walking sticks (insects) that eat the small mesquites at the tips starting in early summer, so the herbicide works best if done before something eats a bunch of the leaves.

Most herbicides work best when the plant is the most active so you will see the "soil temperature" recommendation on other herbicides also.

I am usually finished spraying mesquites by mid-July, but always end up spraying the small ones later in the summer as the grass and weeds die off and reveal how many thousands of the mesquites have been hiding.
Brush Country Ag
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Allen76 said:

BTW - time to spray..... label says to spray when soil temp at 12 inches deep is 75 degrees. There are maps online on this that you can google.

When I first started using Sendero, maybe 8 or so years ago, my date for that soil temperature was May 20th in Medina County. Since then it seems to have gotten hotter sooner almost every year. And I start spraying sooner and sooner. So far, the earlier applications (early May) always outperform the later applications. I have a huge population of walking sticks (insects) that eat the small mesquites at the tips starting in early summer, so the herbicide works best if done before something eats a bunch of the leaves.

Most herbicides work best when the plant is the most active so you will see the "soil temperature" recommendation on other herbicides also.

I am usually finished spraying mesquites by mid-July, but always end up spraying the small ones later in the summer as the grass and weeds die off and reveal how many thousands of the mesquites have been hiding.
We are finishing up this week in LaSalle….sure is easy to see what to spray now! Wish that wasn't the case !
Cromagnum
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Aren't things bad enough without these damned things practicing law?
Allen76
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We are finishing up this week in LaSalle….sure is easy to see what to spray now! Wish that wasn't the case !


Yeah mesquite is just about the only plant living in many areas in this drought. They seem to thrive by having no competition from surrounding plants. In recent years I spray about 500 gallons of mix with a little 3 point sprayer and finish up smaller areas with small plants by hand with a four gallon backpack walking or sometimes with a four wheeler. Most years I probably spray less than ten backpack sprayers with 3 to four gallons in them. This year I estimate that I have sprayed around 25 backpacks full (or 3/4 full) mostly walking. That will get your "steps per day" up!
dr_boogs
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You should give the OP some guidance on safety.

Respirator, applicator gloves, eye pro, etc.

We wear both and white applicator suits and it sucks. So dang hot. We are done by 9:30-10 am before the wind gets up and before it gets crazy hot. But we also spray mesa-vue for pear. There is a specific cartridge you need for the respirator - I dont have that info on hand. Hopefully someone can chime in.
fullback44
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Allen76 said:

If you are using your mix to spray only mesquite, then you are wasting money on the Remedy.

Foliar application of Sendero at 1% to water and add 1/2 % surfactant. It will still kill all the way through the growing season but is less effective as you get into late summer. Most of this is because the growth has slowed, but there is also weather damage and grasshopper damage that reduces the leaf intake of the herbicide.

Sendero requires no special license.

A newer herbicide is out called Invora, but it requires an applicators license and a small training on the acid in the herbicide. Invora has triclopyr in it so it will also interact with other brush. The main chemical is Aminocyclopyrachlor. My neighbor aerial sprayed with Invora a few weeks ago. Everything looks dead. It says it will control mesquite for 10+ years. We shall see.

For me, I spray only mesquite with Sendero. Then if I spray cactus or any other species of brush, I use Surmount (picloram) which requires a license.

I never mix the two just because of wasted money. Sendero is about $175.00 per gallon. Other herbicides are a little bit lower but still expensive.
I agree.. Sendero is the way to go.. keep spraying every year in late spring .. they will die, I've killed a bunch of them on our ranch, they just take a while but they eventually crumble and fall to the ground.. this takes several years sometimes .. not a quick process

As others have said, if your in a hurry dozer it down and spray the roots or root plow them up
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