Wokeism flies in the face of Mentally Strong and Morally Straight, but that is a topic for Forum 16.

Mr. AGSPRT04 said:

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Timber08 said:

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If the Troop is "woke" because that is the priority of the 11-18 year olds then so be it, thats kind of the point.

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No it's not. Scouting has an Oath, Law and Motto, as well as a handbook. Scouting is (or was) patriotic, spiritual, egalitarian and a meritocracy. Wokeism isn't compatible.

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I don't even know what anyone else means when they say woke - I take it to mean "not the way I think".

I do know that every generation of youth in scouts is more progressive than the last under that same oath, law, and motto. It's not a problem.

Still extremely patriotic compared to nearly any other youth group. Still rooted and utilize a religious base.

killbutchereat said:

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What "woke" things are you concerned about? Is it just taking the word "Boy" out of the name?

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Pull your head out or at least man up to honesty. It is this "just taking the word out" attitude that let wokeness creep in and destroy much of American values, including neutering our young boys.

ccard257 said:

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What you are describing it not a new phenomenon, there have been troops like this for decades. I used to advise people who were troop shopping to avoid troops that had high numbers of 14 year old eagles for exactly the reasons you described.

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this for sure. My troop growing up encouraged getting to 1st class relatively quickly but not rushing to eagle and waiting until at least 16 before attempting a project - mostly because being older and able to drive made for a more meaningful project.

Eagle Scout and father of an Eagle Scout. I agree that the local unit will pretty much dictate how your child's experience will go. As much as I disagree with some of the decisions made by National and our local council, I still feel that scouting is the best program to make young men out of young boys.

I have a son in tigers and he really enjoys it. The older son aged out, but enjoyed it. We did a lot of fun outdoor adventures, camping in NASA, pinewood derby, etc. I also have a daughter that started as a tiger and is now goin into Webelos. I was concerned when they decided to let girls in, but I think they did a good job navigating that and like how they did it. The boys are in separate dens from the girls, so boys can still be boys and the girls can do skits and the stuff they like. It is great for us because the girls get to go do outdoor adventures, earn their pocket knife, learn survival skills, etc. and I don't think it takes anything away from scouting for the boys. Only the pack functions are done together.

I'm the den leader for my younger son's group and an assistant leader for my daughter's group. I haven't seen any weird things I had to counter, but these days I don't feel comfortable dropping off a 6 year old or 9 year old for any activities. I'd rather stay as involved as I can.

Shop different troops.

Talk to the leaders and other parents. It sucks but you may have to try really hard to find a good fit these days.

I was lucky when I was coming up that my family and good family friends of ours were able to tag team trips with the troop because we (the kids) were all similar age.

I was blessed with a more seasoned group of outdoorsmen and some old school eagles ij their 40's up to 60's. By tye time i finished I had learned a ton about life, survival, instincts, awareness, being a moral person, etc. Our troop was also tied with a church, so we did do some religious work. It was mostly youth leading youth in religion which was great for someone young trying to figure things out on their own terms.

Its also important to note that being a part of the troop as an adult ( make time) will have a large impact.