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I need to jump in while I can because I may never find another thread again where PFG and I are in 100% agreement. I would also add that the Steelhead in the PNW could probably use the break for a season. It will be an interesting science experiment to see how closure impacts the steelhead run next year. I know anglers in LA who swear that the closure of water after the Horizon oil spill had an amazingly positive impact on fisheries in LA.

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Only if they can somehow manage to get the sea lions to stop fishing as well. Especially in the Columbia River basin.

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I wouldn't say only if. Dams and warm water are probably far and away the two biggest factors in declining steelhead and salmon populations. Probably commercial fishing is third by overall volume. Having said that sure let's open sea lion hunting season. Unfortunately, that may be as effective as hog hunting on the sea lion population.

I was a biologist that worked for one. Like some others we moved on to other endeavors. Was WFS at TAMU and many years ago. Many older biologist will say the same. Some states are far worse than others. You can also look at many of the states wfs publications and compare 20 years ago to current. Articles are less and less on fishing and hunting for the most part.
I did not say it was the biologist or GW's......it is the new commissioners and department heads that has changed so much. Much more liberal and "tree hugger" types than 20 years ago in those positions.

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I need to jump in while I can because I may never find another thread again where PFG and I are in 100% agreement. I would also add that the Steelhead in the PNW could probably use the break for a season. It will be an interesting science experiment to see how closure impacts the steelhead run next year. I know anglers in LA who swear that the closure of water after the Horizon oil spill had an amazingly positive impact on fisheries in LA.

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Only if they can somehow manage to get the sea lions to stop fishing as well. Especially in the Columbia River basin.

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I wouldn't say only if. Dams and warm water are probably far and away the two biggest factors in declining steelhead and salmon populations. Probably commercial fishing is third by overall volume. Having said that sure let's open sea lion hunting season. Unfortunately, that may be as effective as hog hunting on the sea lion population.

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Any link or source for that? I'm genuinely curious.


Regarding the open sea lion season compared to hogs... They've seen some pretty promising results from removal of the ones at the Bonneville Dam fish ladders.

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I need to jump in while I can because I may never find another thread again where PFG and I are in 100% agreement. I would also add that the Steelhead in the PNW could probably use the break for a season. It will be an interesting science experiment to see how closure impacts the steelhead run next year. I know anglers in LA who swear that the closure of water after the Horizon oil spill had an amazingly positive impact on fisheries in LA.

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Only if they can somehow manage to get the sea lions to stop fishing as well. Especially in the Columbia River basin.

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I wouldn't say only if. Dams and warm water are probably far and away the two biggest factors in declining steelhead and salmon populations. Probably commercial fishing is third by overall volume. Having said that sure let's open sea lion hunting season. Unfortunately, that may be as effective as hog hunting on the sea lion population.

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Any link or source for that? I'm genuinely curious.


Regarding the open sea lion season compared to hogs... They've seen some pretty promising results from removal of the ones at the Bonneville Dam fish ladders.

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Absolutely zero data to support this. This is pure speculation on my part but I know the dams and water temp are big issues. I have read the problem related to sea lions is caused by fish backing up below dams which create a buffet for the sea lions so those two issues may be related. Some people say stocking fish is a contributor to the problems as well.

I should also point out that Sea Lions being the same as hogs is more of a joke on my part than anything. Species behavior and reproduction rates are likely very different.


Edit to add. I pulled up this link. It seems inconceivable that sea lions or recreational fishermen are pulling fish in the millions of pounds out of the PNW.

https://fishbio.com/field-notes/the-fish-report/comparing-pacific-coasts-commercial-fisheries

When it comes to the size of Pacific Coast state salmon fisheries, Alaska clearly leads the pack. In 2012, more than 611 million pounds of salmon were harvested in Alaska (NMFS 2014), which is nearly 25 times more than all other Pacific States combined (Washington: 19.8 million pounds, California: 2.9 million pounds, and Oregon: 1.9 million pounds). Not only is the quantity of salmon coming from Alaska and Washington substantial, the price is also relatively low compared to prices in California and Oregon (NMFS 2014).


Edit to add another link everyone should read about lonesome larry.
https://blog.nationalgeographic.org/2012/08/06/lonesome-larry-an-unsung-hero/

Edit to add a picture of Larry who was mounted and is on display in Idaho. .He may hold the record for the longest and most treacherous journey to not get laid.

Unless all outside activity is shutdown - the fishing ban in Washington is wrong. It is no more dangerous than visiting or hiking in park. And I haven't heard of any shut downs of all activities so this is bad decision driven by something other than limiting interactions

I went fishing yesterday in my neighborhood lake. I was never within 100 feet of any one else. Everyone was keeping their distance.

I suspect they are trying to eliminate the shoulder to shoulder combat fishing that happens around the salmon runs. I'm pretty sure those start here in the next month and could be a problem. It's not as bad as in Alaska but definitely can be seen. Commercial boats loaded shoulder to shoulder fishing for halibut are also a common occurrence.

We don't have anything like it down here in Texas, except maybe the commercial boats on the gulf.

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I suspect they are trying to eliminate the shoulder to shoulder combat fishing that happens around the salmon runs. I'm pretty sure those start here in the next month and could be a problem. It's not as bad as in Alaska but definitely can be seen. Commercial boats loaded shoulder to shoulder fishing for halibut are also a common occurrence.

We don't have anything like it down here in Texas, except maybe the commercial boats on the gulf.

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Some of the popular white bass creeks, especially Rowlett, are like that.

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We don't have anything like it down here in Texas,

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Public piers (bob hall)
Jetties
White bass run
Park pond trout release
Any public boat ramp from March to September
River rube season

Lots of waters need to get shut down.

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We don't have anything like it down here in Texas,

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Public piers (bob hall) I'll give you this one, on a busy day it can get tight, but these are already covered so I don't see a need for another public order.
Jetties I have never seen a jettie that was shoulder to shoulder, usually one or two people in groups spread out.
White bass run can get tight but it's all but over for most of the state.
Park pond trout release ended In Feb.
Any public boat ramp from March to September Never once have I seen people shoulder to shoulder at a boat ramp.
River rube season There is a case for tubing but the public parks are already closed and the tube companies are shut down, also it's still pretty cold and tubing won't fire up till the end of may when it warms up, cross that bridge when we get there.

Lots of waters need to get shut down.

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Let me know when you have someone close to you that dies from this. Someone not old, not in poor health, not ignoring the symptoms. Hooked up to a vent. And die 10 days later.

Let me know when you have a spouse working in the Med field, risking own life to fight the spread.

Until then, roll your eyes and pretend it's just a bad cold and an overblown media story.

I'll be here to bump this when Texas catches up, smartens up, and closes down outdoor rec.

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Got a few questions for ya...

Are you drinking tap water only?
Have you reduced your daily caloriic intake to the bare minimum?
Are you wiping your anus with your hand or a rag?
Are you walking to the store instead of driving?
Are you grabbing food to go from a restaurant?

Depending on your answer to any of those, you are just as guilty as those you condemn in this case.

Second, your wife is free to quit her job, is she not? Did she not realize that she might be exposed to contagious diseases before she decided to pursue a career in the med field?

PFG, I'm going to cut you some slack for being paranoid. I get that higher risk jobs drive family members nuts.

However, especially given the ambient temperatures in Texas, soon, I don't think many outdoor activities will be a transmission source.

All delivery groceries makes lots of sense, but, the cost/liability/lack of delivery vehicles, and labor shortage isn't going to make that feasible.

Hell, turning off the AC would probably help in grocery stores, but the coolers and freezers aren't rated for that.

Yes, there should be a real quarantine. That should have been right off - and the northeast probably needs to be isolated.

I honestly that that would be less disruptive, if we went to non-contact truck shipments/mail etc to all non-infected/minimally infected counties

So would using the tracking data FB/google/etc have to track down every infected person's possible contacts/tracking if they break quarantine.


Hell, getting the FDA's head out of its butt about serums would be useful

Influenza was always presumed to be the world killer - and this won't be, even if no actions were taken.

Aransas county shutting down boat ramps...

Bravo. Re-elect those leaders.

Need to shut the guides down too. Non essential business.

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Bravo. Re-elect those leaders.

Need to shut the guides down too. Non essential business.

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Has your wife quit her job yet?

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I hope it droughts over your place for a decade

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Have a ground well when the rain cistern runs dry. Called a back up plan.

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cattle prices stay so low you just give up.

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Yeah that would suck for the old timer who leases my place. Hope he's got some money squirreled away.

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Maybe a fire or two as well

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Insurance, brother. Rebuilding would suck, but then we could add that extra sq footage to the master bath.

Anything other harm you like to wish on my person, my property, or my family? K thanks.

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Let me know when you have someone close to you that dies from this. Someone not old, not in poor health, not ignoring the symptoms. Hooked up to a vent. And die 10 days later.

Let me know when you have a spouse working in the Med field, risking own life to fight the spread.

Until then, roll your eyes and pretend it's just a bad cold and an overblown media story.

I'll be here to bump this when Texas catches up, smartens up, and closes down outdoor rec.

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I fit all your criteria above and I disagree with you. Going fishing isnt the reason this is spreading. Closing a park is one thing, closing waterways is a completely different discussion. At the end of this...it will be a bad cold- like flu. Death rate will be around 1% with anomalies. Now me personally...and it's because my spouse will be in the epicenter of Houston outbreak...i choose to stay home or go to my warehouse where no other people are. But if someone wants to go fishing and they're staying away from others...i dont have an issue with that.

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. At the end of this...it will be a bad cold- like flu

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You're wrong. I'll bump this in 6 months and we can compare US flu deaths vs US Covid deaths. At that point you can apologize for under-reacting and looking like a fool.

Until then, we can disagree amicably.

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You will be treated from now on like the Nancy boy you have proven to be

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Explain? So that staff and I know your plan. K thanks.