I posted this up on a couple of other forums and my PM box got blown up. For whatever reason, none have followed through and I'm placing it here... If you are interested, please email me at ken800 at gmail.you know the ending.

The property is about 8 miles north of downtown Lampasas and is 65 acres. While this isn't a huge place, it is surrounded by much larger properties and there is little to no hunting pressure on surrounding, much larger properties. There are plenty of animals roaming. If you are seriously interested, please email me and we can talk offline. I am not interested in any lessees that won't treat the land and animals with the *utmost* respect.

If you are here just to post something negative, I ask you to please move on to another thread if you don't like the price, location, amenities, rules, etc. I know I'm posting this in vain, but please, take the high road.

Here are the basics: email me for more details if you are serious.

Annual lease lasts through the end of the season next year (through extended). Unlimited access through the year but note I do come frequently to fill my feeders and work on the property as I'm only about 40 minutes away. I'll make sure my activities don't spook animals or disrupt hunting.

All animals are fair game subject to the rules of Lampasas county - i.e. turkey, dove, whitetail, hog, etc.
Property is 65 acres and is completely undeveloped. No water, No electricity, No septic. It has not been hunted in any way for many years. There is access from the road where a small camper/travel trailer could be parked but you'll need generator/propane and will be limited to the water in your holding tanks. RV cannot remain year round.

Property has a tank with water year round barring extreme drought. It hasn't been completely dry for the last 10 years but is far from full given the current lack of rain in the area.

Family only lease. Period. Father/son, husband/wife/immediate kids (4 total people max that are "Hunters").
Lampasas whitetail rules are in effect for the lease for ONE person for the property. That means a total of 5 whitetail can be taken, in total, from the property each year. Same for other species during their seasons. There will be NO exceptions to this rule. You can go to the TPWD website and look up rules by county if you have any questions.

Lease price will be $5K for the whole family regardless of number of guns (up to four but limited to one license's worth of tags and again, only family)

There are significant numbers of whitetail and I have seen some hogs but they aren't regular. I have seen one turkey on camera and a group on the neighbors property but I don't know how regular or how many there are until I get some more cameras up. I have my feeders going off so that the deer eat up the corn by sundown. There's rarely a single kernel left after 6PM so the hogs aren't coming very often to that feeder.

I'm putting up another feeder closer to the tank on 1/25 and will time it for midnight in hopes of pulling in regular hogs.

There are no hunting stands yet other than an old, beat up single person stand that is a real POS but with a few screws and paint you could probably use it, lol. I'm working on an elevated 6x8 but it will be a while before I complete it and get it out there.

Will the lessor need to share the lease with you or are you just filling up feeders for past time/fun?

So basically 65 acres for the owner and a lessee to hunt on, will the owner be bringing family/friends as well with no facilities for $5k. My bet is that $5k coupled with the landowner hunting on it and no facilities whatsoever available is why you haven't had any additional follow up on it. A realistic expectation for that kind of lease and situation would likely be in the $3k realm or so.

I know that price per acre doesn't really mean anything regarding smaller hunting leases, but $76 an acre is a little out of my budget.

Land. Is. Expensive. Time to quit acting shocked.

For that, I will do my hunting at HEB and spend that cash on a nice vacation. Good luck to OP. No doubt you will get it.

First of all, congrats on the property and I hope you find a lessee. All things considered, this is a good deal for someone looking for a family combo. A few follow-ups that you might consider adding to the original post:

You said: "RV cannot remain year round." Can an RV stay for whitetail season? I would think that might be appreciated and be helpful to your cause.

Could you clarify if you are hunting the property yourself and if you will let anyone else hunt it besides the lessee?

You might consider adding grandparent to the immediate family combination. I imagine I'm not the only person whose dad would be likely to pay for my lease and my kids lease. But he wouldn't pay for us to be on a lease without him. Just a thought.

Just FYI... I'll be talkin shsh about the OP on another thread, per his request. Haven't decided which one yet. Any suggestions?

LEJ said:

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Just FYI... I'll be talkin shsh about the OP on another thread, per his request. Haven't decided which one yet. Any suggestions?

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This one: https://texags.com/forums/34/topics/3074036/replies/55341278

Guess he followed giddings_ag_06's advice.

I'm not going to hunt it and yes, leaving the RV during whitetail would be fine. I run the feeders year round with cellular cameras because I like to watch what's on the property. I'm not going to hunt it nor allow others if leased.

Grandparrent-Dad-Son is fine. My concern is keeping it to a family situation so the property is drama-free.

When I bought the place we ended up not getting it worked out with the seller for 2 acres... Those two have all the utilities on them so I have no water, septic, or electric. Those are exceptionally expensive to bring in. $19K for the electric. $9K for septic. $10K for a well.

I knew there would be a few that simply cannot stand what people charge for leases. If you think I'm high, go look at texas hunting forums. There is a thread there and people are asking 2K plus per gun and in many cases MUCH more. Here's the kicker for me: I don't need the money. If I can't get what I want, I won't take it personal or even be disappointed. The land will just sit there.

I'll offer this to thread crappers: If you don't like how high leases have gone up, buy your own land. It's not that hard. Anything less than an hour from a major metro will be, at a minimum, $5K plus per acre. In most cases more. You'll want to make sure you get 50.01 acres as it places a much larger burden on locals placing restrictions on how you use your land. The best finance deals I've seen come from Lone Star Ag Credit. You can do a search for property for sale at www.landsoftexas.com. It's a fabulous resource so you can buy instead of rent.

There are three things in life that are unavoidable: Death, Taxes, and someone whining about the cost of a deer lease.

Meh..it's just opinions.

It's okay that you priced it at $5K. If you ain't willing to pay it, then move on. And if you as the land owner can't get anyone to pay it at that price, then you either lower it or just sit on it. It's capitalism.

Nothing personal.

People are free to comment and disagree on any thread and the going rate of a deer lease is no different. Heck you posted a thread asking for advice a couple weeks ago. And leases haven't gotten to the $76 range (especially with no amenities).

Best of luck leasing it out.

Quite sure the OP didn't really need (or use) OB input to come up with his "offer"...

GSS said:

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Quite sure the OP didn't really need (or use) OB input to come up with his "offer"...

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Actually I used *precisely* what was said in that thread...

RealTalk said:

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Meh..it's just opinions.

It's okay that you priced it at $5K. If you're ain't willing to pay it, then move on. And if you as the lessee can't get anyone to pay it at that price, then you either lower it or just sit on it. It's capitalism.

Nothing personal.

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Careful man. Using common sense is bound to get someone hurt.

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Quite sure the OP didn't really need (or use) OB input to come up with his "offer"...

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I swear this board treats leases like those married couples on House Hunters do...

"I want 10,000 acres, with a house, utilities, unlimited rights, and my budget is $2,000"

I'm probably the type of person you're looking for. City guy with a younger family, looking for a place to get out and let the kids experience the outdoors but don't need a trophy setup. I'm actually actively looking to buy or find a lease while I continue to look for a property to buy. By Lampasas isn't really in my search area, and the property is likely a little smaller than the minimum I'd be looking for.

So as someone who has no qualms about the price you're asking or an intention to haggle, I wanted to give some constructive feedback, although admittedly unsolicited.

The first thing I've noticed is that while I acknowledge tone is difficult to convey in written word, your posts come off as defensive and a touch confrontational. That's a red flag for me of evaluating a landowner I'd want to deal with in something that you would hope would be a relationship as much as a business transaction. Perhaps I'm misinterpreting it, but that's how it reads to me.

Second, and likely more importantly, your original post asking about pricing states

kenneu said:

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I've purchased about 70 acres in Lampasas and I won't be able to do anything with it for a few years and figure I'll try to generate a bit of income from it until I decide what to do with it.

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So going in, any lessee has to know that you are possibly not looking for a long term lease and any work put into managing the property and wildlife population may not pay off for them. As a potential lessee, that certainly comes into factor in not only deciding on pursuing a particular lease, but also with the price relative to other options.

I would think that most lessees would be looking for a long term relationship with a landowner and would be reluctant to enter a lease knowing that the landowner is thinking of them as a short term bridge while they figure out what they want to do with the property.

Good luck with the lease.

I'll offer this to thread crappers: If you don't like how high leases have gone up, buy your own land. It's not that hard.

Amen.

FWIW, I hunt near there on School Creek and the antler restriction rule has produced some exceptional deer and there are big does running around as well as turkey. I can't fault you in any way.

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I'm probably the type of person you're looking for. City guy with a younger family, looking for a place to get out and let the kids experience the outdoors but don't need a trophy setup. I'm actually actively looking to buy or find a lease while I continue to look for a property to buy. By Lampasas isn't really in my search area, and the property is likely a little smaller than the minimum I'd be looking for.

So as someone who has no qualms about the price you're asking or an intention to haggle, I wanted to give some constructive feedback, although admittedly unsolicited.

The first thing I've noticed is that while I acknowledge tone is difficult to convey in written word, your posts come off as defensive and a touch confrontational. That's a red flag for me of evaluating a landowner I'd want to deal with in something that you would hope would be a relationship as much as a business transaction. Perhaps I'm misinterpreting it, but that's how it reads to me.

Second, and likely more importantly, your original post asking about pricing states

kenneu said:

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I've purchased about 70 acres in Lampasas and I won't be able to do anything with it for a few years and figure I'll try to generate a bit of income from it until I decide what to do with it.

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So going in, any lessee has to know that you are possibly not looking for a long term lease and any work put into managing the property and wildlife population may not pay off for them. As a potential lessee, that certainly comes into factor in not only deciding on pursuing a particular lease, but also with the price relative to other options.

I would think that most lessees would be looking for a long term relationship with a landowner and would be reluctant to enter a lease knowing that the landowner is thinking of them as a short term bridge while they figure out what they want to do with the property.

Good luck with the lease.

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I'm in the same boat as you. Searching for leases that have the right fit vs. a smallish piece of land. I tend to focus my search for purchase land in East Texas and it's tough. My goal isn't trophies. It's to have a place where I can take my boys and let them roam. Where we can hunt and fish and just play in the woods.

Ideally I'd be looking for a place between about 50-200 acres but the kicker is that I'd really like some bottom land with duck sloughs in place. And if not then the ability to move some dirt around and build some duck ponds. Beyond that, the opportunity to take a couple doe each year, shoot some hogs, and squirrels are really what I'm looking for.

I'll offer the best constructive advice I can. I feel like the lack of utilities is what kills this deal. The product your offering is not terrible, but it's not great for the price either. Nobody wants to drive in from the city and use the land in the way you're offering, but dry camp with absolutely no utilities or facilities for a whole weekend.

If you had electric, water, and sewer hookups, (or even just electric and water) somebody could bring in their RV and have a decent place to shower/eat/sleep for the weekend. Without those abilities, it significantly hampers the appeal of your product. So somebody might be willing to pay you SOMETHING to have undeveloped property to come play on, but I don't think it's $5k a year.

Leasing land is all about supply and demand. I pay considerably more for that to lease hunting land and have no problem at all with the cost. The landowner should charge what the market will bear as that is capitalism at its finest. There is also no harm when people comment on the price of something if they think it is out of line with reality. Maybe it is maybe it isn't but they are entitled to post their opinion as well. If somebody can't handle that then just don't post things. It's not that hard.

This is why I no longer hunt and am retiring out of Texas.

I misinterpreted

You are stating each Hunter (4) is allowed to each kill their legal limit (5) deer. So 20 deer total

If I'm shopping to pay 5k...there are corporate leases that are 4k to 6k a year offering far more amenities and animals. That would include having guest like your wife and kids.

I have coworkers that pay 4k for something like what I described and under MLD. They hunt the hill country- each leasee has 9 deer tags 3 bucks. 5 axis tags, and 1 black buck, plus turkeys. Some hogs, not many.

I'm sure you will find someone willing, it's your land so none of my business but wanted to offer an example since you mentioned some to justify your costs you saw on another site

Texasbowhunter has lease threads for those looking

I looked hard for something in tag limits per acreage in that county. Nothing but state limits so I agree. It is per hunter

This is one of those pyramid schemes right...?

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I misinterpreted

You are stating each Hunter (4) is allowed to each kill their legal limit (5) deer. So 20 deer total

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I'm pretty sure OP meant only one person's total may be killed, regardless of who does the killing. So 5 deer total for the season.

montanagriz said:

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I misinterpreted

You are stating each Hunter (4) is allowed to each kill their legal limit (5) deer. So 20 deer total

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Wrong. It's 5 total regardless of the number of guns. $1k per deer.

Also, having a landowner using cameras on a property where I visit with my family and is a little bit creepy, and a non-starter for me, regardless of intentions. There may even be legalities involved here.

1872walker said:

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I would think that most lessees would be looking for a long term relationship with a landowner and would be reluctant to enter a lease knowing that the landowner is thinking of them as a short term bridge while they figure out what they want to do with the property.

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This is so important - on both sides. When we started looking for ours, this was the initial question asked and reaffirmed again and again. Both parties have to be in it for the right reasons. Having gone through many bad groups of hunters - finding a great group that are good stewards is so refreshing.

kenneu said:

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I knew there would be a few that simply cannot stand what people charge for leases. If you think I'm high, go look at texas hunting forums. There is a thread there and people are asking 2K plus per gun and in many cases MUCH more.

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I have no problem with what you asked, but you are basically asking 5K per gun (since you can only kill one gun worth of deer a year). So not sure why your statement is valid.

Personally, I am on a 350 acre hill country lease with my wife, father, and mother and we are splitting the $2500 x 3 gun cost. So $7500 total. However, we are allowed to kill up to 12 deer a year on it between the four of us. I know $21 an acre is still high but it is a great place so worth it.

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kenneu said:

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I knew there would be a few that simply cannot stand what people charge for leases. If you think I'm high, go look at texas hunting forums. There is a thread there and people are asking 2K plus per gun and in many cases MUCH more.

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I have no problem with what you asked, but you are basically asking 5K per gun (since you can only kill one gun worth of deer a year). So not sure why your statement is valid.

Personally, I am on a 350 acre hill country lease with my wife, father, and mother and we are splitting the $2500 x 3 gun cost. So $7500 total. However, we are allowed to kill up to 12 deer a year on it between the four of us. I know $21 an acre is still high but it is a great place so worth it.

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I'm on a lease about 30 minutes north of OP. It's $15K for 1,000 acres with a barn that includes electricity, water, and living quarters. There are 9 blinds/feeders. I know small parcels command more per acre, but is 5x more (with no amenities) really accurate?

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Wrong. It's 5 total regardless of the number of guns. $1k per deer.

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Let's be fair, it's slightly cheaper than $1k/deer if you kill the one turkey he's seen....I kid!

No problem with what the OP wants to do with his land.

But I laugh at the people that say it's no big deal while crying about the fact that hunting is dying.

The reason it's dying is middle income families are priced out.