Whatever you can work reliably while halfway ****ting your pants from adrenaline. Dont wanna nervously short stroke that bad boy in crunch time.
maroonbeansnrice said:
Yeah. I'm gonna have to disagree with a lot of this thread unless you live in a masonry/concrete house. Most recently built houses are all sheet-rock and a lot of bullets/lead (to include from a shotgun) will easily penetrate them. What's in the line of fire beyond the bad guy? Not sure a shotgun is the best HD weapon. An accurately fired soft/expanding round from a handgun is my thinking on the way to go, assuming you take the family to the range. And training your family (you may not be home that night) up on handguns is easier than shotguns (see gif). Agree, the clack-clack of chambering a shotgun round has a psychological impact, but better to keep a round in the chamber click off the safety and blast their ass. That's pretty impactful as well.
Note, what I specifically referred above (see my sof/expanding part) to was not ball ammunition, as used in the linked "truth" article above.. Anyhoo, everyone has thoughts/preferences. Nobody is necessarily right or wrong. It is an important enough topic to debate, research, and/or (as in the linked example) experiment, but in all the above choices (AR-15, shotgun, handgun) what probably matters most is the ammo and the competency of the shooter(s).Nealthedestroyer said:maroonbeansnrice said:
Yeah. I'm gonna have to disagree with a lot of this thread unless you live in a masonry/concrete house. Most recently built houses are all sheet-rock and a lot of bullets/lead (to include from a shotgun) will easily penetrate them. What's in the line of fire beyond the bad guy? Not sure a shotgun is the best HD weapon. An accurately fired soft/expanding round from a handgun is my thinking on the way to go, assuming you take the family to the range. And training your family (you may not be home that night) up on handguns is easier than shotguns (see gif). Agree, the clack-clack of chambering a shotgun round has a psychological impact, but better to keep a round in the chamber click off the safety and blast their ass. That's pretty impactful as well.
Here you go:
https://www.theboxotruth.com/the-box-o-truth-1-the-original-box-o-truth/
ARs are great. Rarely have I met a weapon I din't like. But unless it is a super short version and/or you know what you are doing it is harder to manipulate a long-arm in narrow hallways and gives an attacker more to grab onto and take it away from someone.BenderRodriguez said:
You know what's easier to train inexperienced shooters on than handguns? AR-15.
Guess what also penetrates modern house construction less than either handgun or shotgun ammunition? 5.56.
There's a reason the military and police departments have transitioned from revolvers, to shotguns, to pistol caliber carbines, and now to 5.56 carbines.maroonbeansnrice said:
Yeah. I'm gonna have to disagree with a lot of this thread unless you live in a masonry/concrete house. Most recently built houses are all sheet-rock and a lot of bullets/lead (to include from a shotgun) will easily penetrate them. What's in the line of fire beyond the bad guy? Not sure a shotgun is the best HD weapon. An accurately fired soft/expanding round from a handgun is my thinking on the way to go, assuming you take the family to the range. And training your family (you may not be home that night) up on handguns is easier than shotguns (see gif). Agree, the clack-clack of chambering a shotgun round has a psychological impact, but better to keep a round in the chamber click off the safety and blast their ass. That's pretty impactful as well.
txyaloo said:There's a reason the military and police departments have transitioned from revolvers, to shotguns, to pistol caliber carbines, and now to 5.56 carbines.maroonbeansnrice said:
Yeah. I'm gonna have to disagree with a lot of this thread unless you live in a masonry/concrete house. Most recently built houses are all sheet-rock and a lot of bullets/lead (to include from a shotgun) will easily penetrate them. What's in the line of fire beyond the bad guy? Not sure a shotgun is the best HD weapon. An accurately fired soft/expanding round from a handgun is my thinking on the way to go, assuming you take the family to the range. And training your family (you may not be home that night) up on handguns is easier than shotguns (see gif). Agree, the clack-clack of chambering a shotgun round has a psychological impact, but better to keep a round in the chamber click off the safety and blast their ass. That's pretty impactful as well.
As Bender said, training someone to shoot a handgun well is significantly more difficult than training to shoot a carbine or shotgun. Any modern pistol caliber self defense round is also going to have over penetration issues. I wouldn't shoot frangible ammo in my home defense gun. It's better than nothing, but a 5.56 weapon is a better choice.
The gif was meant to be humorous. Lighten up Francis. Have a Merry Christmas.RM1993 said:txyaloo said:There's a reason the military and police departments have transitioned from revolvers, to shotguns, to pistol caliber carbines, and now to 5.56 carbines.maroonbeansnrice said:
Yeah. I'm gonna have to disagree with a lot of this thread unless you live in a masonry/concrete house. Most recently built houses are all sheet-rock and a lot of bullets/lead (to include from a shotgun) will easily penetrate them. What's in the line of fire beyond the bad guy? Not sure a shotgun is the best HD weapon. An accurately fired soft/expanding round from a handgun is my thinking on the way to go, assuming you take the family to the range. And training your family (you may not be home that night) up on handguns is easier than shotguns (see gif). Agree, the clack-clack of chambering a shotgun round has a psychological impact, but better to keep a round in the chamber click off the safety and blast their ass. That's pretty impactful as well.
As Bender said, training someone to shoot a handgun well is significantly more difficult than training to shoot a carbine or shotgun. Any modern pistol caliber self defense round is also going to have over penetration issues. I wouldn't shoot frangible ammo in my home defense gun. It's better than nothing, but a 5.56 weapon is a better choice.
Plus, both of my kids at 6 yrs old and maybe all of 50 lbs could handle a shotgun (12 or 20) better than the dumb chic in this gif.
Should I go pull gifs of sumbasses catching a pistol in the face from recoil to make my point seem more valid?
GeorgiAg said:Reginald Cousins said:
Right near the bed.
Ok that's pretty cool
suburban cowboy said:Reginald Cousins said:
Right near the bed.
Where can I buy this
CS78 said:
fill it full of #1 buck.
Definitely need the buckshot so you don't have to aim ... wait, dragon's breath? Now I'm sure this is a troll!!hunter2012 said:
Loadout suggestion
- #4 Buck
- #4 Buck
- #4 Buck
- slug
- slug
- slug
- slug
- slug
- slug
- slug
- dragon's breath
- dragon's breath
The first few are during the adrenaline dump and you'll want a spread to compensate. The slugs are for the determined attacker where the buckshot didn't chase off the perps. The dragon's breath are a combo of "*****it it's time to bail" and "if I can't have my stuff no one will". If the dragon's breath doesn't take the fight out of the attacker or provide an avenue of escape(like your house being on fire), then I hope you led a good life.
hunter2012 said:
Loadout suggestion
- #4 Buck
- #4 Buck
- #4 Buck
- slug
- slug
- slug
- slug
- slug
- slug
- slug
- dragon's breath
- dragon's breath
The first few are during the adrenaline dump and you'll want a spread to compensate. The slugs are for the determined attacker where the buckshot didn't chase off the perps. The dragon's breath are a combo of "f*** it it's time to bail" and "if I can't have my stuff no one will". If the dragon's breath doesn't take the fight out of the attacker or provide an avenue of escape(like your house being on fire), then I hope you led a good life.
Spinnerag said:
Anyone knows where i can presently buy either a Remington 870 or a Mossberg 500/590? Seems like they have all been bought up..
If either are unavailable, I am assuming an AR is the next best option for home defense?