too add to the positive id of what you are shooting.

don't discount the disabling properties of a 300-500-700-1500 lumen light blasting you in the face.

I'm sure many ob'ers can testify when practicing a draw into the mirror, that we've all blinded the hell out of ourselves at one time or another.

the light is for ID, but it also will disorient even for a second anyone you are aiming it at...

"If you've ever blinded yourself in the mirror with your own weapon light to see how bright it really is.....go ahead and hit that subscribe button"

Yeah. I'm gonna have to disagree with a lot of this thread unless you live in a masonry/concrete house. Most recently built houses are all sheet-rock and a lot of bullets/lead (to include from a shotgun) will easily penetrate them. What's in the line of fire beyond the bad guy? Not sure a shotgun is the best HD weapon. An accurately fired soft/expanding round from a handgun is my thinking on the way to go, assuming you take the family to the range. And training your family (you may not be home that night) up on handguns is easier than shotguns (see gif). Agree, the clack-clack of chambering a shotgun round has a psychological impact, but better to keep a round in the chamber click off the safety and blast their ass. That's pretty impactful as well.

You know what's easier to train inexperienced shooters on than handguns? AR-15.

Guess what also penetrates modern house construction less than either handgun or shotgun ammunition? 5.56.

maroonbeansnrice said:

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Yeah. I'm gonna have to disagree with a lot of this thread unless you live in a masonry/concrete house. Most recently built houses are all sheet-rock and a lot of bullets/lead (to include from a shotgun) will easily penetrate them. What's in the line of fire beyond the bad guy? Not sure a shotgun is the best HD weapon. An accurately fired soft/expanding round from a handgun is my thinking on the way to go, assuming you take the family to the range. And training your family (you may not be home that night) up on handguns is easier than shotguns (see gif). Agree, the clack-clack of chambering a shotgun round has a psychological impact, but better to keep a round in the chamber click off the safety and blast their ass. That's pretty impactful as well.

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There's a reason the military and police departments have transitioned from revolvers, to shotguns, to pistol caliber carbines, and now to 5.56 carbines.

As Bender said, training someone to shoot a handgun well is significantly more difficult than training to shoot a carbine or shotgun. Any modern pistol caliber self defense round is also going to have over penetration issues. I wouldn't shoot frangible ammo in my home defense gun. It's better than nothing, but a 5.56 weapon is a better choice.

txyaloo said:

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maroonbeansnrice said:

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Yeah. I'm gonna have to disagree with a lot of this thread unless you live in a masonry/concrete house. Most recently built houses are all sheet-rock and a lot of bullets/lead (to include from a shotgun) will easily penetrate them. What's in the line of fire beyond the bad guy? Not sure a shotgun is the best HD weapon. An accurately fired soft/expanding round from a handgun is my thinking on the way to go, assuming you take the family to the range. And training your family (you may not be home that night) up on handguns is easier than shotguns (see gif). Agree, the clack-clack of chambering a shotgun round has a psychological impact, but better to keep a round in the chamber click off the safety and blast their ass. That's pretty impactful as well.

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There's a reason the military and police departments have transitioned from revolvers, to shotguns, to pistol caliber carbines, and now to 5.56 carbines.

As Bender said, training someone to shoot a handgun well is significantly more difficult than training to shoot a carbine or shotgun. Any modern pistol caliber self defense round is also going to have over penetration issues. I wouldn't shoot frangible ammo in my home defense gun. It's better than nothing, but a 5.56 weapon is a better choice.

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Plus, both of my kids at 6 yrs old and maybe all of 50 lbs could handle a shotgun (12 or 20) better than the dumb chic in this gif.

Should I go pull gifs of sumbasses catching a pistol in the face from recoil to make my point seem more valid?

RM1993 said:

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txyaloo said:

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maroonbeansnrice said:

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Yeah. I'm gonna have to disagree with a lot of this thread unless you live in a masonry/concrete house. Most recently built houses are all sheet-rock and a lot of bullets/lead (to include from a shotgun) will easily penetrate them. What's in the line of fire beyond the bad guy? Not sure a shotgun is the best HD weapon. An accurately fired soft/expanding round from a handgun is my thinking on the way to go, assuming you take the family to the range. And training your family (you may not be home that night) up on handguns is easier than shotguns (see gif). Agree, the clack-clack of chambering a shotgun round has a psychological impact, but better to keep a round in the chamber click off the safety and blast their ass. That's pretty impactful as well.

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There's a reason the military and police departments have transitioned from revolvers, to shotguns, to pistol caliber carbines, and now to 5.56 carbines.

As Bender said, training someone to shoot a handgun well is significantly more difficult than training to shoot a carbine or shotgun. Any modern pistol caliber self defense round is also going to have over penetration issues. I wouldn't shoot frangible ammo in my home defense gun. It's better than nothing, but a 5.56 weapon is a better choice.

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Plus, both of my kids at 6 yrs old and maybe all of 50 lbs could handle a shotgun (12 or 20) better than the dumb chic in this gif.

Should I go pull gifs of sumbasses catching a pistol in the face from recoil to make my point seem more valid?

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The gif was meant to be humorous. Lighten up Francis. Have a Merry Christmas.

Hey, you are the one who talked about how hard it was to train someone on a shotgun and then said see the gif as reference.

Count me in the group who believes that a shotgun or AR would be much more effective in the hands of someone with minimal training rather than a pistol.

I don't think the close quarters combat scenario is even a factor - anyone skilled enough to grapple with an intruder hip shoot them is just as likely to stop them with a long gun. Conversely, a novice shooter would be more capable with a long gun rather than a pistol.

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fill it full of #1 buck.

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Loadout suggestion

• #4 Buck
• #4 Buck
• #4 Buck
• slug
• slug
• slug
• slug
• slug
• slug
• slug
• dragon's breath
• dragon's breath

The first few are during the adrenaline dump and you'll want a spread to compensate. The slugs are for the determined attacker where the buckshot didn't chase off the perps. The dragon's breath are a combo of "f*** it it's time to bail" and "if I can't have my stuff no one will". If the dragon's breath doesn't take the fight out of the attacker or provide an avenue of escape(like your house being on fire), then I hope you led a good life.