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Mountain Lion (the real kind) Idaho Hunting Trip Recap

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AGGIE WH08P
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Well, I wanted to share a brief story with you fine folks and a few pictures from my hunt 2 weeks ago in Idaho.

A buddy and I went up to Montpelier, ID on November 30th in search of big cats. Lion season started on Dec 1st and we were eager for what was in store for us that next morning. The plan was to let me buddy take the first lion and I would be next in line for cat #2.

These lion hunters will cruise up and down every public road that surround the mountains where we could hunt all night long. Typically from 12am-7am. Once they find where a lion crossed the road, they will park their truck at that spot. It is a way to show other hunters that you already have a lion marked and you were planning on hunting it once the sun was up. It is very common for our guides and MOST locals to either leave a truck on the road or unhook their snowmobile trailer as a way of telling others that they were there first. Most folks see this and turn around and begin searching in another canyon.

On Sunday morning December 1st, our guides had already spotted a track for us to turn the dogs out. It appeared to be a good Tom. Our guides unhooked their snowmobile trailer at 3am and headed back to the main camp house in town to pick us up. After we got loaded up and back to that lion track, we noticed some other locals right there by our guides trailer and turning loose their dogs. Our guides were pissed! There is no law against this, but just a common curtsy within their town for MOST folks. Not everyone.

Well, that lion was now being chased by someone else, so down the road we went. We cruised about 1.5 hours north towards Afton WY. We were able to hunt just west of there in Idaho. Our guide unloaded the snowmobile and went off about 12 noon in search of lion tracks. About 30 minutes later he came back and said he found a good track crossing the road up on the mountain. We loaded the dogs up in a smaller dog box on the snowmobile sled and hauled them up the mountain. Once we were there, we turned them loose. The lead dog was set free first, then the next 3-4 followed. It was a rush hearing them bark off into the trees.

We let them run for what seemed like 20-30 minutes. They were headed south up the mountain, so we decided to drive the sleds back to the truck and see if we could drive closer. At about 2pm, we decided to start walking towards the hounds. They were 1.8 miles away, but that distance is measured as the crow flies. Not considering the up/down in elevation change. My buddy grabbed his rifle and I left my bow in the truck. About half a mile into it, I could see my buddy falling further behind us in the hike. I was told that we needed to hurry up and get to the tree once a lion was treed so we could keep him up there and not jump down. So, I was moving pretty good trying to keep up with the guide. After my buddy heard the guide tell us that the lion was still 2 miles away and not treed, he looked at me and said, "you go kill that f*ck!ng lion!" hahaha. We had a good laugh. He handed me the rifle and I kept going and he turned back towards the truck. That was about 2:15-2:30. I wouldn't see him again until 9:30 that night!

So now it is just me and my guide headed up. He had about a 50-75 yard lead on me. The snow is anywhere from 4" to 10" in some places. The dogs were still way off and we had a long hike ahead of us. I kept falling and slipping in the snow, the rifle kept slipping off my shoulder and I was shedding clothes every 30 minutes! Eventually, I stopped and took off 2 layers and was down to just my base layer long johns. It was snowing and I had a pretty good sweat working! My sweaty hair was beginning to freeze as well. Crazy feeling when you run your fingers through your hair.

After 3 hours of hiking up this mountain, we were finally at the tree. I was so beat! I would like to think that I'm in great shape for my age (mid 30's) and have done a lot of physically challenging things in my life, but that hike had to have been the hardest thing I have ever done!

We got the dogs tied up and away from the tree and that lion just sat there watching us. Not a care in the world. It was a sight to see! Shortly after that, I basically laid on the ground and pointed the rifle upwards towards the tree and squeezed off a shot. Hit him right in the chest and he came crashing down. He rolled about 30 yards and I had to put a 2nd shot in him just in case.

I was so excited to have that lion on the ground! However, now comes to really hard part....walking back down with a dead lion and 5 dogs. We quickly stared the hike down and it started getting dark. We took turns dragging the lion in the snow with one of the dog leashes and every step we took kept getting harder and harder. Even our guide was having a hard time. He told us later that the hike we did that afternoon with me was in the top 3 hardest hikes he had ever done!

About 1 hour into the hike down, we decide to hang the lion in a tree for the night. It was taking too long pulling the lion and trying to keep track of 5 hounds in the dark! So we lifted the lion up in a tree and tied him in tight. We made sure to keep him 6-7 feet off the ground so a wolf or coyote wouldn't try eating it. We figured another lion probably wouldn't fool with it since they are not scavenger eaters. We even left one of the Garmin GPS dog collars on the lion so we could track it again the next morning if we happened to forget where he was.

Back downward we went. Eventually, we made it back to the truck at 9:30pm. From the time we left until now, we had been gone for over 7 hours. We made it back to the main house around midnight that night. The next morning, we tried cutting for some lion tracks, but didn't find any. We drove back to where we shot my lion and hiked back up the mountain to get him. Took another 2:30-3 hours round trip. I was SOOOO happy that nothing messed with him that night! HA

That Monday was basically shot since we had to spend time retrieving my lion. Tuesday brought more success! The guides cut another lion track around midnight and we took a truck over there shortly after. We left the truck running all night and the headlights on so others would know someone was already hunting that area. We returned the next morning at 7:30am. We took the snowmobiles to the top of the mountain and found more tacks from the same lion. He was headed downhill. So, we turned the dogs loose and let them go to work. Soon after, we followed. It was all downhill and an easier hike. My buddy was doing much better on this trail. About 1 hour into it, we made it to the treed lion. He made a great shot and down it came!

Here are some pics










Here is the video of the lion my buddy killed

https://imgur.com/LDavzfo

Big shout out the H & S Outfitters!!
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AGGIE WH08P
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damn.... 11 edits and the video still wont link.
guess you will have to click on the blue link


https://imgur.com/LDavzfo
The Fall Guy
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Does his balls feel bigger by the way he is carrying that cat?

What age is that cat? Just wondering
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Sweet write up about a cool hunt. I used to live in Afton and sure miss the scenery. Congrats on your aoudad....err...lion.
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The Fall Guy said:

Does his balls feel bigger by the way he is carrying that cat?

What age is that cat? Just wondering
That's me in the picture BTW. Yes, 10x bigger. After you drag that dead weight for so long, you look for other options to carry/pull him. Over the shoulder was one of them.
Not sure on age. The fish and game folks took a tooth sample

Anyone want to guess the weight?
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115 lbs?
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You can see the dogs following the trail. 1.9 miles away





Dogs trying to climb up the tree.




Dragging the lion downhill











Checking in the cat with the Idaho fish and game



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I am in no way criticizing this hunt or anything yall did. I'm glad you posted about it. Ive looked into a similar hunt a few times.

My question is after working so hard to catch up to where the dogs are is it weird shooting it out of a tree? I know dogs are the best(and maybe only) way to hunt mountain lions and when you use dogs they're going to tree it. I also know theres more to it than just pulling the trigger. Again, I don't have a problem with this type of hunting and would like to do it some day. Just curious about your thoughts since you've actually been in this situation.
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Congrats on the cat. Nice write up. What'd the hunt cost you? Also, please post pics of the full body mount once done!
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RCR06 said:

I am in no way criticizing this hunt or anything yall did. I'm glad you posted about it. Ive looked into a similar hunt a few times.

My question is after working so hard to catch up to where the dogs are is it weird shooting it out of a tree? I know dogs are the best(and maybe only) way to hunt mountain lions and when you use dogs they're going to tree it. I also know theres more to it than just pulling the trigger. Again, I don't have a problem with this type of hunting and would like to do it some day. Just curious about your thoughts since you've actually been in this situation.
During the chase, all the cat has got to do is stop, turn around, and start killing dogs...one at a time.
But the cat runs and finally tries hiding in a tree waiting to be shot.
Coon hunting on steroids i suppose, at least u get a decent toothpick when u get a coon or Jerry Clowers looking for some relieve...haha.


I see no sport in killing treed cats but each his own. No sport in killing coons either. Difference is I guess is those big cats are magnificent looking animals, full of pride and downright mean. Need to be managed or we have too many of em and this as good as any in killing em or at least works that is for sure.






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My dad had a buddy that was a big hunter around the world. Said mountain lion was the best meat he ever had.

Congrats on the experience
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RCR06 said:


My question is after working so hard to catch up to where the dogs are is it weird shooting it out of a tree? I know dogs are the best(and maybe only) way to hunt mountain lions and when you use dogs they're going to tree it. I also know theres more to it than just pulling the trigger. Again, I don't have a problem with this type of hunting and would like to do it some day. Just curious about your thoughts since you've actually been in this situation.


I would say if I wasn't so damn beat at the foot of the tree, then maybe I would have felt different. But I doubt it. I was ready to pop him. I put in a lot of physical work for it and damn proud. Now, if we treed him 300 yards from the road, then maybe so.

Ya, dogs are basically the only way to kill them. Or trapping. Not sure what is more "humane". We asked the guide if they had ever seen a lion randomly walk across the road at night. You know, since they are driving at odd hours at night in the middle of no where. He said he had seen 2 in his 10 years of guiding. Later that night at midnight on our way back to the house after my hunt, we were driving 35 mph in the snow and icy roads and 3 freakin lion all walked across the road in front of us in a group!!! Couldn't believe my eyes!!

The biologist said that a lion could kill 1 elk/deer per week. About 3-4 a month. 1 adult lion could kill 52 elk annually. We killed 2 lions. So maybe 100+ elk or mule deer make it another season.
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Cool story and great hunt. You can't describe a lion hunt to anyone that hasn't been on one. I've never sweated so much at 10 degrees. I used to think shooting a cat out of a tree was unsporting. Then I did it. There is so much more to cat hunting than the shot. Great job!
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Great post! Are you going to do it again?

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The biologist said that a lion could kill 1 elk/deer per week. About 3-4 a month. 1 adult lion could kill 52 elk annually. We killed 2 lions. So maybe 100+ elk or mule deer make it another season

Years ago we got a similar estimate of a mule deer every five days. I know one large ranch, at least 30+ years ago, that trapped 18 off their place in a span of about 15 months. Do the math on that in current days with about one MLDP tag per 1000 acres.
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Listening to yalls stories, and by the way these are great stories, I did not know that mountain lions were that plentiful up in that area? Those dam things seem to be everywhere .. if you didn't thin them out you wouldn't have a deer our elk population...

I definitely learned something ... again excellent stories
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This Dude Abides said:

Congrats on the cat. Nice write up. What'd the hunt cost you? Also, please post pics of the full body mount once done!


I believe it was $6,000

About to drop it off to a taxidermy in DFW. I visited with Alpine already. They have done good work for me in the past. They do about 12 lions a year. I did talk with Flagg and surprisingly, they only do a few each year.
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Ubitag said:


I see no sport in killing treed cats but each his own. No sport in killing coons either.



I hear what you're saying. To each their own.

Do you have similar thoughts towards coyote or bobcat hunting? (Not trying time be an a$$ just curious). Coyote hunting doesn't always involve a dog, but usually always an electronic caller. Folks can set the caller on the hood of their truck at night, turn it on and wait. Not really a sport or hard. But they are predators that need to be managed.
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AGGIE WH08P said:

Ubitag said:


I see no sport in killing treed cats but each his own. No sport in killing coons either.



To each their own.

Do you have similar thoughts towards coyote or bobcat hunting? (Not trying time be an a$$ just curious). Coyote hunting doesn't always involve a dog, but usually always an electronic caller. Folks can set the caller on the hood of their truck at night, turn it on and wait. Not really a sport or hard. But they are predators that need to be managed.


Always gonna be people that think like this. I don't agree, but at least he was civil about his disagreement. I think Brad's right that's it's something you need to experience to understand. My thoughts on mountain lion hunting have changed quite a bit over the years as I've learned more about it(in part to bradmtn posts).
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RCR06 said:

AGGIE WH08P said:

Ubitag said:


I see no sport in killing treed cats but each his own. No sport in killing coons either.



To each their own.

Do you have similar thoughts towards coyote or bobcat hunting? (Not trying time be an a$$ just curious). Coyote hunting doesn't always involve a dog, but usually always an electronic caller. Folks can set the caller on the hood of their truck at night, turn it on and wait. Not really a sport or hard. But they are predators that need to be managed.


Always gonna be people that think like this. I don't agree, but at least he was civil about his disagreement. I think Brad's right that's it's something you need to experience to understand. My thoughts on mountain lion hunting have changed quite a bit over the years as I've learned more about it(in part to bradmtn posts).
Like I stated in my last sentence, the cats need to controlled by killing them and this is as Good as any other way. Not a sport imo, I wouldn't consider it fun but I do consider it necessary.

Pretty plain, maybe I should type slower for u...lmao
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Correct, please type slower....maybe you've never misunderstood what someone was trying to say through a text message, email, or post on texags

I disagree with you that this isn't sporting. As I stated people will always think like you do and I wouldn't presume to try and change your mind. Whether you care that people kill them to control the population is irrelevant to my comment.
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Got it....

Overall, I am having just a terrible day communicating with my fingers..think I will take a break
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BradMtn346 said:

Cool story and great hunt. You can't describe a lion hunt to anyone that hasn't been on one. I've never sweated so much at 10 degrees. I used to think shooting a cat out of a tree was unsporting. Then I did it. There is so much more to cat hunting than the shot. Great job!


Thanks!
Yes, I was down to just my base layer wiping sweat of my face and snow out of my hair. Physically beat! I know exactly what you're saying. To me, it made the final trophy much more rewarding knowing how hard it was to get to the summit. Also, like quail/pheasant/duck hunting, seeing good dogs work was truly amazing.
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Sounds physical like elk hunting. For the snow and slipping, if you weren't wearing chains around your boots I suggest those next time

Hard to see timber or rocks covered in snow and chains around my boots saved me
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Worked n Idaho and drove from SLC to Burley, then on to Boise.

Watch some guys sky dive off a bridge, believe it was a Snake River crossing, looked fun.

Saw herds of wild mustangs, elk, all sorts of animals.


Still raw and breathtaking beauty 10 yrs ago.

Good potatoes too!
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Badass. I'd love to go on one of those someday
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hearing those hounds is like listening to a classic country song for me. great looking walkers
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AGGIE WH08P said:

Ubitag said:


I see no sport in killing treed cats but each his own. No sport in killing coons either.



I hear what you're saying. To each their own.

Do you have similar thoughts towards coyote or bobcat hunting? (Not trying time be an a$$ just curious). Coyote hunting doesn't always involve a dog, but usually always an electronic caller. Folks can set the caller on the hood of their truck at night, turn it on and wait. Not really a sport or hard. But they are predators that need to be managed.
My take:

I get it. But I love working coons with a hound. The difference with lions is you go all over in a machine and find them. Short cut sort of. I'd like to try it someday. See how it feels. As long as it is managed (as it is) I think it is a good deal for hunters, guides, and the parks and wildlife....
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What is the minimum caliber your guides recommend for shooting mountain lions? They call them cougars up here in Oregon. I've got a cougar tag but since we can't hunt with dogs I'm going to try calling one in with a game call. I'd like to think a 5.56 with a heavy bullet at short range would sufficient
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mpl35 said:

AGGIE WH08P said:

Ubitag said:


I see no sport in killing treed cats but each his own. No sport in killing coons either.



I hear what you're saying. To each their own.

Do you have similar thoughts towards coyote or bobcat hunting? (Not trying time be an a$$ just curious). Coyote hunting doesn't always involve a dog, but usually always an electronic caller. Folks can set the caller on the hood of their truck at night, turn it on and wait. Not really a sport or hard. But they are predators that need to be managed.
My take:

I get it. But I love working coons with a hound. The difference with lions is you go all over in a machine and find them. Short cut sort of. I'd like to try it someday. See how it feels. As long as it is managed (as it is) I think it is a good deal for hunters, guides, and the parks and wildlife....
Been on a couple coon hunts, I never could call em out of the tree but watching the dogs work them was fun.

Had a friend n Oklahoma claim they used dogs to chase then pen down exhausted wild hogs. Grab the snood and the tail, The hunter would stab the pig thru the heart. Claimed it was a thrill of a life time. Still don't know if he was pulling my leg but it sounded real the way he explained it.

Also while working in Vancouver Oregon, one of my contractors hunted Cougars using rabbit calls, ask me to go with him one weekend but I declined. I kinda regret that.

Worked Kenia Alaska and although no cougars I am aware of in that part of the country, some big ass Moose. Brown and black bears everywhere, coworker was attacked by a brown one morning while jogging with his dog.
Swiped him across the head and nearly scalped him, he was lucky as she let him be after that.

I guess the oddest hunting story is one of my engineers in Hawaii use to take his truck on a barge from Oahu to Kawia and hunt Axis deer. Season year round.

I have killed many birds/water fowl and some small critters like squirrels and rabbits but never in my life shot at a large animal. Been on a few deer hunts and enjoyed watching kinfolk getting their buck or doe, help prepare and eat em but never have taken a shot. Don't even own a rifle.

Had a buddy with his son go on a hunt in Colorado a few months back and shot a big cat out of a tree, Said it was a blast and probably is but not for me. No issue with me. Also a dead coyote is a good coyote.

I believe in humane wildlife management and current where I live I wish we had more predators as the deer population has gotten out of hand. Counted 7 dead on I-10 between BOERNE and Comfort.



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AGGIE WH08P said:

BradMtn346 said:

Cool story and great hunt. You can't describe a lion hunt to anyone that hasn't been on one. I've never sweated so much at 10 degrees. I used to think shooting a cat out of a tree was unsporting. Then I did it. There is so much more to cat hunting than the shot. Great job!


Thanks!
Yes, I was down to just my base layer wiping sweat of my face and snow out of my hair. Physically beat! I know exactly what you're saying. To me, it made the final trophy much more rewarding knowing how hard it was to get to the summit. Also, like quail/pheasant/duck hunting, seeing good dogs work was truly amazing.


The main reason I hunt cats is to see my dogs work. Ran a bobcat this morning. The dogs caught it, but it took me over an hour to catch up with them. The cat jumped as I approached. They treed again, it jumped. Lost it in some heavy brush near where we started. I'm beat.
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mpl35 said:

AGGIE WH08P said:

Ubitag said:


I see no sport in killing treed cats but each his own. No sport in killing coons either.



I hear what you're saying. To each their own.

Do you have similar thoughts towards coyote or bobcat hunting? (Not trying time be an a$$ just curious). Coyote hunting doesn't always involve a dog, but usually always an electronic caller. Folks can set the caller on the hood of their truck at night, turn it on and wait. Not really a sport or hard. But they are predators that need to be managed.
My take:

I get it. But I love working coons with a hound. The difference with lions is you go all over in a machine and find them. Short cut sort of. I'd like to try it someday. See how it feels. As long as it is managed (as it is) I think it is a good deal for hunters, guides, and the parks and wildlife....
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From my experience in Texas, you have to go about 200 yards to find a fresh coon track. You might run 200 miles to find a fresh lion track. The machines are not a short cut, they make it possible.
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marcel ledbetter said:

What is the minimum caliber your guides recommend for shooting mountain lions? They call them cougars up here in Oregon. I've got a cougar tag but since we can't hunt with dogs I'm going to try calling one in with a game call. I'd like to think a 5.56 with a heavy bullet at short range would sufficient



We typically use a .223 caliber weapon. I like V-Max out of my 22-250 because it puts a tiny hole going in and doesn't exit. Shreds inside and makes a mess.
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7 DEAD deer, BETWEEN boerne and comfort, on i 10, in December?

Just give it a few more years and they'll all be fenced IN on that stretch and you won't have to be bothered by Texas Wildlife.
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LEJ said:

7 DEAD deer, BETWEEN boerne and comfort, on i 10, in December?

Just give it a few more years and they'll all be fenced IN on that stretch and you won't have to be bothered by Texas Wildlife.
.......the upcoming civil war will stop he fence building, open things back up.

Which reminds me, I need to get myself a good long rifle to put in the safe.....
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