With not having kids, I have to keep in mind what something like this will do to the future sale of the property. You seem to think I shouldn't care about the affect it will have on value, since it's inheritance.
These are right though Gillespie, Blanco and Hays?The Fall Guy said:
That is part of the one going right thru the damn Hill country. 1st 1 to do so. Right thru Gillespie, Blanco, and Hays.
The hill country will be permanately changed. This is just 1 of many.
when was the last time a pipeline exploded?Gunny456 said:
The pipeline company has sent a booklet out to landowners making them aware and procedures to follow if a leak should occurr.
In this booklet they say that a 48"
Gas pipeline could effect a radius of 3/4 mile should an explosion occur. If that happened during a typical windy dry day during the summer in the hill country it would be catastrophic and the environment would not be "just fine" imho.
Ragoo said:when was the last time a pipeline exploded?Gunny456 said:
The pipeline company has sent a booklet out to landowners making them aware and procedures to follow if a leak should occurr.
In this booklet they say that a 48"
Gas pipeline could effect a radius of 3/4 mile should an explosion occur. If that happened during a typical windy dry day during the summer in the hill country it would be catastrophic and the environment would not be "just fine" imho.
Let's set a side the emotion okay?
this is incorrect. it is a common carrier pipeline.Gunny456 said:
You are correct. The one that is active right now is the Kinder-Morgan pipeline. It will traverse many hill country counties including Kimble, Gillespie, Blanco etc.
About 6 months ago they started contacting landowners for rights to easements. At that time they stated they DID NOT have eminent domain as they were a privately entity and were making lots of profit selling the gas.
The majority of the landowners declined them and their project was falling apart so they used political strings and petitioned the RR Commission for eminent domain and was granted it.
As many landowners have stated this is a direct abuse of eminent domain as this is not for the greater good of the people of Texas.
The other issue is that three years ago the LCRA ran a large transmission line right through the hill country and was poorly managed and left a really bad taste in the mouth for most landowners.
The PUC had so much bad PR from that project that they are now trying to form "energy corridors " so they only fight one group of landowners.
Allowing a pipeline company to come through property is not the real issue. The issue is that easement will then be used as a corridor that will entail multiple pipelines, transmission lines, water lines etc etc, really scarring and ruining the scenic value of the land.
Most landowners are not aware of this.
You can not pick up a real estate magazine of hill country land for sale that does not use the words " Million Dollar Views". People don't pay for those million dollar views if they have an energy corridor running through them.
They say they give landowners fair market value for the land. But they make billions off the cubic feet of gas that passes through that landowners land every single day.
If it was a just and fair system the landowner should get a percentage of that profit for as long as the gas or electricity is crossing his land.
People in Texas just "think" they actually own their land. You may pay for it, pay taxes on it, improve it, have title to it ...,.. but in reality it can be taken from you in heartbeat.
Our forefathers would be turning over in their graves.
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Generally speaking, common carrier pipelines in Texas have a statutory right of eminent domain.
i wouldn't build a house on a interstate either. Or under transmission power lines.Burdizzo said:Ragoo said:when was the last time a pipeline exploded?Gunny456 said:
The pipeline company has sent a booklet out to landowners making them aware and procedures to follow if a leak should occurr.
In this booklet they say that a 48"
Gas pipeline could effect a radius of 3/4 mile should an explosion occur. If that happened during a typical windy dry day during the summer in the hill country it would be catastrophic and the environment would not be "just fine" imho.
Let's set a side the emotion okay?
Would you build a house on top of a pipeline?
And how many explosions occur?Gunny456 said:
The pipeline company has sent a booklet out to landowners making them aware and procedures to follow if a leak should occurr.
In this booklet they say that a 48"
Gas pipeline could effect a radius of 3/4 mile should an explosion occur. If that happened during a typical windy dry day during the summer in the hill country it would be catastrophic and the environment would not be "just fine" imho.
1. Seems to me, and I know nothing so this is 100% pure speculation - that Kinder Morgan did things the correct way - they tried to not use ED and wanted to negotiate with landowners first. At least that is one way of looking at how you described it above. And arguing that pipelines aren't for the greater good of Texas is, frankly, laughable. Houston is the energy capital of the world. Those pipelines provide feedstocks to the literally billions of dollars of infrastructure in the petrochem industry along the Texas coast, of which that industry produces litterally billions of dollars of refined gasoline and petroleum by-products (both raw stock and finished product) that is then sold across the entire world. The petrochem industry is one of the single biggest GDP producers in Texas and pumps billions of dollars into the economy of Texas from start to finish.Gunny456 said:
You are correct. The one that is active right now is the Kinder-Morgan pipeline. It will traverse many hill country counties including Kimble, Gillespie, Blanco etc.
About 6 months ago they started contacting landowners for rights to easements. At that time they stated they DID NOT have eminent domain as they were a privately entity and were making lots of profit selling the gas.
1. The majority of the landowners declined them and their project was falling apart so they used political strings and petitioned the RR Commission for eminent domain and was granted it.
As many landowners have stated this is a direct abuse of eminent domain as this is not for the greater good of the people of Texas.
The other issue is that three years ago the LCRA ran a large transmission line right through the hill country and was poorly managed and left a really bad taste in the mouth for most landowners.
The PUC had so much bad PR from that project that they are now trying to form "energy corridors " so they only fight one group of landowners.
2. Allowing a pipeline company to come through property is not the real issue. The issue is that easement will then be used as a corridor that will entail multiple pipelines, transmission lines, water lines etc etc, really scarring and ruining the scenic value of the land.
Most landowners are not aware of this.
3. You can not pick up a real estate magazine of hill country land for sale that does not use the words " Million Dollar Views". People don't pay for those million dollar views if they have an energy corridor running through them.
4. They say they give landowners fair market value for the land. But they make billions off the cubic feet of gas that passes through that landowners land every single day.
If it was a just and fair system the landowner should get a percentage of that profit for as long as the gas or electricity is crossing his land.
5. People in Texas just "think" they actually own their land. You may pay for it, pay taxes on it, improve it, have title to it ...,.. but in reality it can be taken from you in heartbeat.
6. Our forefathers would be turning over in their graves.
Would you build your house on top of a drainage ditch? What about a sewer manhole? Would you build your house on top of one of those? What about in the middle of a field that floods all the time because it's swampy and low, would you build your house there? What about on a dry creek bed, would you build your house there?Burdizzo said:Ragoo said:when was the last time a pipeline exploded?Gunny456 said:
The pipeline company has sent a booklet out to landowners making them aware and procedures to follow if a leak should occurr.
In this booklet they say that a 48"
Gas pipeline could effect a radius of 3/4 mile should an explosion occur. If that happened during a typical windy dry day during the summer in the hill country it would be catastrophic and the environment would not be "just fine" imho.
Let's set a side the emotion okay?
Would you build a house on top of a pipeline?
schmellba99 said:Would you build your house on top of a drainage ditch? What about a sewer manhole? Would you build your house on top of one of those? What about in the middle of a field that floods all the time because it's swampy and low, would you build your house there? What about on a dry creek bed, would you build your house there?Burdizzo said:Ragoo said:when was the last time a pipeline exploded?Gunny456 said:
The pipeline company has sent a booklet out to landowners making them aware and procedures to follow if a leak should occurr.
In this booklet they say that a 48"
Gas pipeline could effect a radius of 3/4 mile should an explosion occur. If that happened during a typical windy dry day during the summer in the hill country it would be catastrophic and the environment would not be "just fine" imho.
Let's set a side the emotion okay?
Would you build a house on top of a pipeline?
Seriously, what kind of question is this?
Typically speaking, it's cheaper to run infrastructure adjacent to existing infrastructure because it doesn't "re-damage" property that was already damaged.Quote:
2. Hopefully somebody else can comment, but my understanding is that an easement or ROW is not an open highway for all comers, which is why individual pipelines have to go through the process time and again.
it won't add value, it isn't an improvement. But the boogie man that it will drastically decrease value is way over stated. Especially on property that is generational. Value is just a number at that point.Burdizzo said:schmellba99 said:Would you build your house on top of a drainage ditch? What about a sewer manhole? Would you build your house on top of one of those? What about in the middle of a field that floods all the time because it's swampy and low, would you build your house there? What about on a dry creek bed, would you build your house there?Burdizzo said:Ragoo said:when was the last time a pipeline exploded?Gunny456 said:
The pipeline company has sent a booklet out to landowners making them aware and procedures to follow if a leak should occurr.
In this booklet they say that a 48"
Gas pipeline could effect a radius of 3/4 mile should an explosion occur. If that happened during a typical windy dry day during the summer in the hill country it would be catastrophic and the environment would not be "just fine" imho.
Let's set a side the emotion okay?
Would you build a house on top of a pipeline?
Seriously, what kind of question is this?
It is a question pertaining to why it is such a good thing to have a pipeline easement crossing your property that may or not add value to it.
Here's one from just a tad over two years ago:Ragoo said:when was the last time a pipeline exploded?Gunny456 said:
The pipeline company has sent a booklet out to landowners making them aware and procedures to follow if a leak should occurr.
In this booklet they say that a 48"
Gas pipeline could effect a radius of 3/4 mile should an explosion occur. If that happened during a typical windy dry day during the summer in the hill country it would be catastrophic and the environment would not be "just fine" imho.
Let's set a side the emotion okay?
I'm aware of one that exploded much more recently.eric76 said:Here's one from just a tad over two years ago:Ragoo said:when was the last time a pipeline exploded?Gunny456 said:
The pipeline company has sent a booklet out to landowners making them aware and procedures to follow if a leak should occurr.
In this booklet they say that a 48"
Gas pipeline could effect a radius of 3/4 mile should an explosion occur. If that happened during a typical windy dry day during the summer in the hill country it would be catastrophic and the environment would not be "just fine" imho.
Let's set a side the emotion okay?
Yeah. Explosions along pipeline routes aren't real common, but they do happen.Sooper Jeenyus said:I'm aware of one that exploded much more recently.eric76 said:Here's one from just a tad over two years ago:Ragoo said:when was the last time a pipeline exploded?Gunny456 said:
The pipeline company has sent a booklet out to landowners making them aware and procedures to follow if a leak should occurr.
In this booklet they say that a 48"
Gas pipeline could effect a radius of 3/4 mile should an explosion occur. If that happened during a typical windy dry day during the summer in the hill country it would be catastrophic and the environment would not be "just fine" imho.
Let's set a side the emotion okay?
Having said that, it's still the best way to move product from A to B.
Yeah. That one was a gathering system. I don't remember the cause of that explosion. It did scare the people in the nearest house.Ragoo said:
I should have been more specific to transmission pipelines. That is the nature of the thread. Gathering systems are a completely different animal altogether.
Sooper Jeenyus said:I'm aware of one that exploded much more recently.eric76 said:Here's one from just a tad over two years ago:Ragoo said:when was the last time a pipeline exploded?Gunny456 said:
The pipeline company has sent a booklet out to landowners making them aware and procedures to follow if a leak should occurr.
In this booklet they say that a 48"
Gas pipeline could effect a radius of 3/4 mile should an explosion occur. If that happened during a typical windy dry day during the summer in the hill country it would be catastrophic and the environment would not be "just fine" imho.
Let's set a side the emotion okay?
Having said that, it's still the best way to move product from A to B.
The Fall Guy said:
That is part of the one going right thru the damn Hill country. 1st 1 to do so. Right thru Gillespie, Blanco, and Hays.
The hill country will be permanately changed. This is just 1 of many.
Ragoo said:it won't add value, it isn't an improvement. But the boogie man that it will drastically decrease value is way over stated. Especially on property that is generational. Value is just a number at that point.Burdizzo said:schmellba99 said:Would you build your house on top of a drainage ditch? What about a sewer manhole? Would you build your house on top of one of those? What about in the middle of a field that floods all the time because it's swampy and low, would you build your house there? What about on a dry creek bed, would you build your house there?Burdizzo said:Ragoo said:when was the last time a pipeline exploded?Gunny456 said:
The pipeline company has sent a booklet out to landowners making them aware and procedures to follow if a leak should occurr.
In this booklet they say that a 48"
Gas pipeline could effect a radius of 3/4 mile should an explosion occur. If that happened during a typical windy dry day during the summer in the hill country it would be catastrophic and the environment would not be "just fine" imho.
Let's set a side the emotion okay?
Would you build a house on top of a pipeline?
Seriously, what kind of question is this?
It is a question pertaining to why it is such a good thing to have a pipeline easement crossing your property that may or not add value to it.
Separate issue.Burdizzo said:Sooper Jeenyus said:I'm aware of one that exploded much more recently.eric76 said:Here's one from just a tad over two years ago:Ragoo said:when was the last time a pipeline exploded?Gunny456 said:
The pipeline company has sent a booklet out to landowners making them aware and procedures to follow if a leak should occurr.
In this booklet they say that a 48"
Gas pipeline could effect a radius of 3/4 mile should an explosion occur. If that happened during a typical windy dry day during the summer in the hill country it would be catastrophic and the environment would not be "just fine" imho.
Let's set a side the emotion okay?
Having said that, it's still the best way to move product from A to B.
I agree it is safer than rail or highway.
My problem is the abuse of ED and the unavoidable kick in the groin to property rights.
Sooper Jeenyus said:Separate issue.Burdizzo said:Sooper Jeenyus said:I'm aware of one that exploded much more recently.eric76 said:Here's one from just a tad over two years ago:Ragoo said:when was the last time a pipeline exploded?Gunny456 said:
The pipeline company has sent a booklet out to landowners making them aware and procedures to follow if a leak should occurr.
In this booklet they say that a 48"
Gas pipeline could effect a radius of 3/4 mile should an explosion occur. If that happened during a typical windy dry day during the summer in the hill country it would be catastrophic and the environment would not be "just fine" imho.
Let's set a side the emotion okay?
Having said that, it's still the best way to move product from A to B.
I agree it is safer than rail or highway.
My problem is the abuse of ED and the unavoidable kick in the groin to property rights.
Eminent Domain (assuming that was your reference ) is a double-edged sword. We all want the things those rights-of-way provide but no one wants their individual property rights infringed upon.
Kurt Gowdy said:
Market data says pipelines don't decrease property values.
This is not accurate.Gunny456 said:
You are correct. The one that is active right now is the Kinder-Morgan pipeline. It will traverse many hill country counties including Kimble, Gillespie, Blanco etc.
About 6 months ago they started contacting landowners for rights to easements. At that time they stated they DID NOT have eminent domain as they were a privately entity and were making lots of profit selling the gas.
The majority of the landowners declined them and their project was falling apart so they used political strings and petitioned the RR Commission for eminent domain and was granted it.
As many landowners have stated this is a direct abuse of eminent domain as this is not for the greater good of the people of Texas.