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aggieraf02
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I'm looking to book an elk hunt for next bow season. Does anyone have an outfitter recommendation they can share? Something quality but not 2nd mortgage on a house kinda hunt.

Any additional suggestions or recommendations you might share?

Thanks
AgEng06
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aggieraf02 said:

elf hunt
You might could roll it together with a 'squatch hunt to really step up your trip.
highvelocity
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interested in this as well for next year
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Muzzleblast
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Not sure about an elf guide but before you go you oughta buy the "elf on a shelf" and practice with your .22..
aggieraf02
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Yup...just noticed that.
lazuras_dc
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https://bucksandbulls.com

I talked to these guys last year and they seem reasonable but we're booked up for Colorado and that's where I was looking to hunt this year. They run out of NM too
slammerag
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Cooper Moore guide service. Raton, NM. Dad was an Ag also.
LEJ
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Lobo Outfitters is permitted in both (northern)NM and sw Colorado. I've never hunted with them but I've spoken over the phone and in person with Mike Ray, and one of his guides, Austin. I believe they have access to quite a bit of private in NM. Their colo ops are primarily (maybe totally) in the Weminuche Wilderness.

As far as people go, I have a good impression of Mike, even though I disagree with some of his ideas regarding wilderness. At any rate, their reputation is very good and they've been at this for quite a while.

cupofjoe04
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Wes Armenta with Bull Valley Outfitters. Reasonable pricing, and he will work hard to get you on a bull. Lots of experience. We have hunted with him a couple times, and will again. Had mutiple shot opportunities and filled our tags on every hunt with him in NM. Great guy.
Tell him Joey from Colorado sent you.

https://m.facebook.com/bullvalleyoutfitters/
Goodest Poster
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How do you feel about Utah?

Any interest in bow hunting bear? I have a great deal in Canada.
BradMtn346
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LEJ said:

Lobo Outfitters is permitted in both (northern)NM and sw Colorado. I've never hunted with them but I've spoken over the phone and in person with Mike Ray, and one of his guides, Austin. I believe they have access to quite a bit of private in NM. Their colo ops are primarily (maybe totally) in the Weminuche Wilderness.

As far as people go, I have a good impression of Mike, even though I disagree with some of his ideas regarding wilderness. At any rate, their reputation is very good and they've been at this for quite a while.



I hunted bighorn sheep with lobo outfitters, and it was by far the most disappointing experience I've had with an outfitter. I had another hunt booked at the start of the season, so I booked an outfitter thinking the local knowledge would make up for my inability to scout. Not so. They hadn't looked at all. They had no clue where the rams were.

I guess there isn't a lot of return business with sheep hunters, but for what I paid, I expected more.
EspejoAg
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I just got back from New Mexico about 3 weeks ago.

Wes Armenta with Bull Valley Outfitters is AWESOME.

He is a hard worker and focuses on getting it done. We nailed my first mule deer and it was an outstanding hunt. Good man and fun to be around.

Planning on going back again next year. He does rifle and archery. Elk, mule deer, bear, antelope, and mountain lion.

Go to his Instagram site - bullvalleyoutfitters
lazuras_dc
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How does NM work as far as draws and permitting. Do you need pref points or anything?
AgEng06
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NM does not have a points system. It is all random draw. However, you can increase your odds of drawing if you put in with an outfitter.
cupofjoe04
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AgEng06 said:

NM does not have a points system. It is all random draw. However, you can increase your odds of drawing if you put in with an outfitter.
This.


Basically, in NM essentially 85% goes to residents, 13% to outfitters, and 2% to nonresidents (those #'s are what I remember, but could be wrong). You increase your odds considerably if you put in with an outfitter. You can also put in as a "party" or "group tag, as opposed to individuals. That's what my father and I do. Either we both draw together, or neither of us do.

This obviously is just for the draw- private land-owner tags are guaranteed (as long as your hefty check clears the bank).
CanyonAg77
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I know nothing about these folks, and would love to hear from someone who does. Only mention them because I love the Folsom/Johnson Mesa area. Truly spectacular country.

http://www.folsomoutfitters.com/index.html
La Fours
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A guy I know has hunted with them a couple of times and has helped guide for them occasionally as well.
wheelz
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I'd recommend Roger & Audrey McQueen of Trophy Ridge Outfitters. Great friends and guides and I've hunted with them before. Audrey is an elk calling champion and they kill big elk.
LEJ
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cupofjoe04 said:

AgEng06 said:

NM does not have a points system. It is all random draw. However, you can increase your odds of drawing if you put in with an outfitter.
This.


Basically, in NM essentially 85% goes to residents, 13% to outfitters, and 2% to nonresidents (those #'s are what I remember, but could be wrong). You increase your odds considerably if you put in with an outfitter. You can also put in as a "party" or "group tag, as opposed to individuals. That's what my father and I do. Either we both draw together, or neither of us do.

This obviously is just for the draw- private land-owner tags are guaranteed (as long as your hefty check clears the bank).


It's actually 84/10/6, but that's a mere technicality.
cupofjoe04
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Hey, even better odds for the non-res! Ha ha
I had a feeling I was off. Thanks for the correct info
LEJ
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I once considered moving to NM just for the Res draw odds... once.
AgEng06
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Yep. I've said for years that if I ever moved out of Texas it would be to northern Arizona or New Mexico, solely for hunting reasons.
Central Committee
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I have hunted with Kiowa Hunting twice (rifle on private ranch). One cow one bull, and a pretty nice one at that.

Great team.

https://kiowahunting.com/
We may not always get what we want. We may not always get what we need. Just so we don't get what we deserve.
ttha_aggie_09
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Bumping because I am interested in a New Mexico elk hunt next year as well... good info so far.

Is it reasonable to expect a 300" bull? One of the places I was looking was shooting 280s on average but had nice lodging and the pricing was $7k. Thought that was really steep for a bull that size.
cupofjoe04
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ttha_aggie_09 said:

Bumping because I am interested in a New Mexico elk hunt next year as well... good info so far.

Is it reasonable to expect a 300" bull? One of the places I was looking was shooting 280s on average but had nice lodging and the pricing was $7k. Thought that was really steep for a bull that size.


Very short answer: yes, you should be able to find a 300" bull if you hunt hard enough in a place where good elk are. Should you expect a 300" bull (or any certain size)- absolutely not. Unless you are hunting high fence, or paying for a private land tag on a highly managed place.



(Stop reading here if you don't want a soap box. I'm not trying to talk down to anyone, just honestly trying to convey something I have learned over the years of elk hunting, which has made it infinatly more enjoyable and fulfilling for me).
I say this for 2 reasons:

1) Elk are not deer. They aren't predictable. They do elky things in elky ways for reasons known only to elk. I don't think you can say an area as big as NM should have X-sized elk, or even a section within. I've spent time in the famous Gila Mnts of NM: and there are areas that do grow 380's, and also areas where you would be lucky to find a 280. I hunted antelope near Corona this year, in some crazy flat featureless land. There was one little molehill of a mountian, that was 15 miles from any other elevation- and wouldn't you know there was a herd of elk on that speck. I saw 3 bulls in one morning that were all over 350". You would NEVER think there was an elk in that county driving by. Meanwhile, I live in some of the prettiest elkiest looking mountains in CO- and unless you are committing a month to scouting and hunting, you're dang lucky to kill a 300+ bull. There's plenty here, doesn't mean you can kill them. There are people who spend weeks (or a month) in these mountains and go home empty, and others who drive down the road and shoot a monster from the truck. Meanwhile, 2 hours west of me there is a ranch in the freaking sand dunes that kills 300's all the time, and a hand full of 350's every year. I know a guy in Oklahoma of all places that kills really nice bulls every single year- but also has people come out and never see a single elk.

2) All that to say, I have learned to stop chasing inches when elk hunting. My advice: hunt as hard as you can, with the best people you know, in the prettiest places you can find- and you will never be disappointed elk hunting. I totally understand wanting to kill one of a certain size, but don't let that be a deciding factor in your hunt. Enjoy hunting for elk- the pain, misery, frustration, humility, beauty, and majesty of it all. Embrace it, success is not killing a certain sized elk- success is sharing an experience with such an animal. It makes it that much more meaningful when fortune finally does reward the sweat equity you have put in.
ttha_aggie_09
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I get what you're saying. I've been on public land elk hunts and enjoyed the views and time doing it.

I don't have the time and resources to scout for a DIY hunt in the next couple of years. I live in Houston... I can't just go scout at my own leisure and reviewing onyx maps can only do so much.

Additionally, if I am going to spend $3-5k on a semi-guide outing with a drop tent, I might as well spend more and just go on a fully guided outing.

Do I care about the size bull I shoot? Hell yeah I do! I am not looking for some guaranteed high fence hunt but if I am going to drop $7k I want to know I have a good chance at shooting a quality bull.

I wouldn't pay the same amount to chase free range whitetail in Webb Co vs Edwards Co... major difference in size and genetics. That's all I am trying to figure out. Where is the best place to invest in that has quality bulls.

I might be bow hunting elk in Montana next year so this might not even happen, just trying to get an idea.
Apache
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Excellent post & your #2 should apply to all hunting IMO.
ttha_aggie_09
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Quote:

) All that to say, I have learned to stop chasing inches when elk hunting. My advice: hunt as hard as you can, with the best people you know, in the prettiest places you can find- and you will never be disappointed elk hunting. I totally understand wanting to kill one of a certain size, but don't let that be a deciding factor in your hunt. Enjoy hunting for elk- the pain, misery, frustration, humility, beauty, and majesty of it all. Embrace it, success is not killing a certain sized elk- success is sharing an experience with such an animal. It makes it that much more meaningful when fortune finally does reward the sweat equity you have put in.

Don't take this the wrong way, but you're in a totally different position than me or most people on this board. You live in elk country... you have access to this land and get to enjoy it on a regular basis.

I have two little kids and don't have the time to get out and do the type of scouting required for an OTC unit in CO or NM. That doesn't mean I don't want to enjoy the beauty of hunting elk in some awesome parts of the country. It just means that it costs me 5X what it does for you to go on a trip like this.

I hunt every year in the hill country and enjoy my time in the woods watching deer ans letting them mature. This isn't all about bone, but it is something that I'll factor into my decision.

Edit to add, I'm looking at a private land place not drawing or pulling OTC. I'm saving that hunt for CO and Montana.
cupofjoe04
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I'm right with you on all those points- for sure. I love killing big bulls as much as anyone else, and I hate spending my resources on less than desirable results.

In some ways, I am in a unique position, and get to do some things most can't. But- I hunt elk with my Dad mostly, who is in the same position as most people (busy working man living in Dallas). So, I totally understand the need and what it's loke to walk onto a property for the first time and start hunting (guided or not). Also, I started hunting elk while living in Houston with small kids. I totally get the reasons to pay for someone else's access, experience, and scouting. However, none of that really guarantees a dang thing- because elk are just elk. I know that you know this, and I likely misread your original post- wasn't really trying to single you out- sorry it came across that way (I see how it did). Not trying to discourage using guides at all, quite the opposite.

I went on a trip with a guide in Wallsnburg, private land w/ OTC tag. "We kill 340+ average" was the promise. He had loads of pictures, property looked awesome. We saw 1 bull all week, about 1.5 miles away. Nice guys, nice place, bad week. Also, I got the chance to hunt the storied Crazy French ranch. Guys on the other side of the ranch were knocking down several 350's... we weren't seeing jack. 9 days and 50+ miles later, I finally find a single bull, make a stalk and kill a huge bull with my Dad beside me. Last year, hunting the Gila, we see more elk than I knew existed- huge bulls everywhere. Chasing a bull with muzzloaders that is LEGIT 380, have him inside 200 yards several times. My Dad and I go home with one bull between us that measures about 280". Disappointed we didn't get the monster? You bet. Smallest bull I've ever killed, and still the most enjoyable hunt I've ever been in- worth every dime we paid.


So- to actually answer your question- in my experience: if you want a good chance at a big bull in NM look at the Gila Mnts. You can get draw tags in primitive (muzzloader and bow only), and have great chances at mature bulls. I highly recomend Wes Armenta w/ Bull Valley Outfitters. He can get you private land tags on great ranches if you want to drop some coin, or help you with the draw tags if you can play the lotto there (my Dad and I drew on our first chance, but not this last year).

Lots of other places can be good too, just access can be hard (unless private land). Really, my point is simply that any place can be good or bad- and there are way too many factors. If you are looking for genetics in NM, look to the Gila or closer to AZ wher the legends roam.

Best of luck to you brother- that's about all I can offer. I'm sure others can chime in with some areas to target.

ttha_aggie_09
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Thank you!
shaynew1
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i shoot small bulls come at me bro
shaynew1
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Serious response: everyone here should apply for somewhere sweet in NM every year.
Stringfellow Hawke
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http://www.bull-ridge.com/

This company is in Nevada but the elk are amazing. Worth a look.
treyyates
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True Grit outfitters is a great outfitter, that's who we use to sell our hunts on our ranch in unit 34
jpb1999
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What kinda prices are we talking about here to elk hunt in NM or really anywhere? I guess fully guided trip?

I'm gaining interest in doing this one day soon, but know nothing about it... first question is can I afford it.
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