So, good clarity will depend on two factors... magnification and resolution and you have to look at both of them when making the decision. A 384 core (or whatever 300level core you want) with a 10x lens is going to show a lot more detail than a 640 core at 1x. It all gets into pixel count vs distance. Something else to look at is refresh rate. Faster refresh rates provide smoother images. On a handheld spotting thermal, I don't care about refresh at all but on a weapon sight, hitting an image while it's moving and having a tiny bit of stutter is not always fun.AG Custom said:
Been researching but wanted to get opinion on which thermal scope to pull the trigger on for my suppressed 300 Blackout. Range most likely will be 100-150yards max but want good clarity and features.
Been leaning toward the ATN ThOR 4
Thanks
And thanks... the staff funsies has slowed my roll on that but it's definitely still coming. Hope to be working on it this weekend. Have a more political style post that I'm still finishing up and then back to optics.brs4688 said:
Eyeguy has a blog about scopes. Nothing about thermal scopes yet.
https://www.texianblackmarket.com/blog/opticsintro
TheEyeGuy said:
Not sure if it matters, and this is something that I was a bit off on at times before, but ATN and Pulsar both use chinese thermal cores. Armasight, Flir, Bering and Trijicon all use American cores. Now, that may or may not be a big issue, ATN and Pulsar both are good platforms just a lot of people, myself included for a while, thought they were all FLIR cores. Then I started looking into things more and realized they are not. And looking at the difference between the images in the two, you can definitely see where the American stuff and the Chinese stuff differ when looking at roughly the same spec units.
Not contradicting per se, just going by what I talked about with the Pulsar rep this last week and he was the one that said that yes they were made in china. If that's wrong, absolutely awesome, just what he told me.skelso said:TheEyeGuy said:
Not sure if it matters, and this is something that I was a bit off on at times before, but ATN and Pulsar both use chinese thermal cores. Armasight, Flir, Bering and Trijicon all use American cores. Now, that may or may not be a big issue, ATN and Pulsar both are good platforms just a lot of people, myself included for a while, thought they were all FLIR cores. Then I started looking into things more and realized they are not. And looking at the difference between the images in the two, you can definitely see where the American stuff and the Chinese stuff differ when looking at roughly the same spec units.
This is incorrect info.
Pulsar uses Eulis cores manufactured in France
ATN uses a mixture of core manufacturers depending upon model.
FLIR uses their own cores - made in USA
Trijicon uses BAE cores - made in USA
BAE core specs are superior to FLIR cores.
A bad core with good firmware can outdo a good core with bad firmware depending upon conditions.
slammerag said:
Want that reap ir in the worst way. Pretty high dollar, is it worth it?
TheEyeGuy said:Not contradicting per se, just going by what I talked about with the Pulsar rep this last week and he was the one that said that yes they were made in china. If that's wrong, absolutely awesome, just what he told me.skelso said:TheEyeGuy said:
Not sure if it matters, and this is something that I was a bit off on at times before, but ATN and Pulsar both use chinese thermal cores. Armasight, Flir, Bering and Trijicon all use American cores. Now, that may or may not be a big issue, ATN and Pulsar both are good platforms just a lot of people, myself included for a while, thought they were all FLIR cores. Then I started looking into things more and realized they are not. And looking at the difference between the images in the two, you can definitely see where the American stuff and the Chinese stuff differ when looking at roughly the same spec units.
This is incorrect info.
Pulsar uses Eulis cores manufactured in France
ATN uses a mixture of core manufacturers depending upon model.
FLIR uses their own cores - made in USA
Trijicon uses BAE cores - made in USA
BAE core specs are superior to FLIR cores.
A bad core with good firmware can outdo a good core with bad firmware depending upon conditions.
slammerag said:
Want that reap ir in the worst way. Pretty high dollar, is it worth it?
PulsarRep said:
I can tell you 100% that the Pulsar products use Ulis sensors that are made in France. All of our units are assembled in the European Union either at a facility in Scotland or Lithuania. I am not sure what sensor or core ATN is using but Flir and Trijicon both use USA made sensors. FLIR uses their own sensors and Trijocon use the BAE sensor. If you have any questions about Pulsar items I am happy to help anytime.
AG Custom said:
After looking i think i am going to go with the Pulsar Trail XQ38
skelso said:AG Custom said:
After looking i think i am going to go with the Pulsar Trail XQ38
Now that you have decided what you want, I'll throw you a curve ball... if you are going with a trail, consider a LRF model. One of the most challenging tasks in night hunting is judging distance. The Trail LRF takes the guess work out.
