Most old-time dryland wheat operations (up through the 70s and 80s) in the Texas Panhandle were basically "organic". They just plowed and planted, and used an occasional fallow period to help control weeds.Canyon99 said:
My FiL is changing his operation to be considered organic. He sees monetary benefit for something that isn't that different from how he currently operates.
I'm against organic crops because they reduce our yield. With 7,000,000,000 people, we need to use GMOs and nonorganic methods to feed the world.queso1 said:
I don't understand the problem. If I'm willing to dish out more money, why do people care? I'm not telling you everything has to be organic.
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If you are concerned enough to want to buy organic, I encourage you to instead, buy local. Find someone that raises a couple of calves a year and buy from them. You will really know what you are getting and you'll be helping out the little guy.
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queso1 said:
I don't understand the problem. If I'm willing to dish out more money, why do people care? I'm not telling you everything has to be organic.
Pro Sandy said:I'm against organic crops because they reduce our yield. With 7,000,000,000 people, we need to use GMOs and nonorganic methods to feed the world.queso1 said:
I don't understand the problem. If I'm willing to dish out more money, why do people care? I'm not telling you everything has to be organic.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevensavage/2015/10/09/the-organic-farming-yield-gap
You know, it's funny. The same people who are strident promoters of "organic", are likely to be on the same side of the political spectrum as the people who complain that Americans waste too many resources. They would be all in favor of forcing us to use less fossil fuel, etc.Quote:
'm against organic crops because they reduce our yield. With 7,000,000,000 people, we need to use GMOs and nonorganic methods to feed the world
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Reason Magazine: What do you think of organic farming? A lot of people claim it's better for human health and the environment.
Norman Borlaug: That's ridiculous. This shouldn't even be a debate. Even if you could use all the organic material that you have--the animal manures, the human waste, the plant residues--and get them back on the soil, you couldn't feed more than 4 billion people. In addition, if all agriculture were organic, you would have to increase cropland area dramatically, spreading out into marginal areas and cutting down millions of acres of forests.
At the present time, approximately 80 million tons of nitrogen nutrients are utilized each year. If you tried to produce this nitrogen organically, you would require an additional 5 or 6 billion head of cattle to supply the manure. How much wild land would you have to sacrifice just to produce the forage for these cows? There's a lot of nonsense going on here.
If people want to believe that the organic food has better nutritive value, it's up to them to make that foolish decision. But there's absolutely no research that shows that organic foods provide better nutrition. As far as plants are concerned, they can't tell whether that nitrate ion comes from artificial chemicals or from decomposed organic matter. If some consumers believe that it's better from the point of view of their health to have organic food, God bless them. Let them buy it. Let them pay a bit more. It's a free society. But don't tell the world that we can feed the present population without chemical fertilizer. That's when this misinformation becomes destructive..
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Three decades after he launched the Green Revolution, agronomist Norman Borlaug is still fighting world hunger--and the doomsayers who say it's a lost cause.
Who has saved more human lives than anyone else in history? Who won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1970? Who still teaches at Texas A&M at the age of 86? The answer is Norman Borlaug.
Who? Norman Borlaug, the father of the "Green Revolution," the dramatic improvement in agricultural productivity that swept the globe in the 1960s.
Borlaug grew up on a small farm in Iowa and graduated from the University of Minnesota, where he studied forestry and plant pathology, in the 1930s. In 1944, the Rockefeller Foundation invited him to work on a project to boost wheat production in Mexico. At the time Mexico was importing a good share of its grain. Borlaug and his staff in Mexico spent nearly 20 years breeding the high-yield dwarf wheat that sparked the Green Revolution, the transformation that forestalled the mass starvation predicted by neo-Malthusians.
rancher or farmer?Canyon99 said:
My FiL is changing his operation to be considered organic. He sees monetary benefit for something that isn't that different from how he currently operates.
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Grass fed doesn't taste as good as corn.
I'm not sure I've ever talked about the benefits of organic...except for the fact that organic milk lasts a long time. I think I've boasted that, but will two kids in the house, that's not really even an issue.
You're going to have morons everywhere.
Well, your Ivomec better be well hidden. Internal pests and fly control can be tough.CanyonAg77 said:
To be a rancher, it apparently involves a lengthy and time consuming process, whereby you change the sign on your gate.
If only someone would have mentioned that before.Quote:
It lasts a long time because it is ultra-pasteurized, not because it is organic.
I've wondered why they don't UP normal milk. On a side note,my daughter did a study abroad program in Costa Rica. They UP their milk, and they don't refrigerate it. Just leave it out on the table all day.Quote:
However, since it changes the flavor (for the worse in most blind studies) regular milk is not ultra pasteurized.
Like the packages of half&half coffee creamer...well, they are sealed. But no refrig.CanyonAg77 said:If only someone would have mentioned that before.Quote:
It lasts a long time because it is ultra-pasteurized, not because it is organic.
I do appreciate this clarification.I've wondered why they don't UP normal milk. On a side note,my daughter did a study abroad program in Costa Rica. They UP their milk, and they don't refrigerate it. Just leave it out on the table all day.Quote:
However, since it changes the flavor (for the worse in most blind studies) regular milk is not ultra pasteurized.
I personally can't stand the taste of UP milk. It has a burnt flavor to me.CanyonAg77 said:If only someone would have mentioned that before.Quote:
It lasts a long time because it is ultra-pasteurized, not because it is organic.
I do appreciate this clarification.I've wondered why they don't UP normal milk. On a side note,my daughter did a study abroad program in Costa Rica. They UP their milk, and they don't refrigerate it. Just leave it out on the table all day.Quote:
However, since it changes the flavor (for the worse in most blind studies) regular milk is not ultra pasteurized.
Bitter Old Man said:
Its my anecdotal belief
96ags said:I personally can't stand the taste of UP milk. It has a burnt flavor to me.CanyonAg77 said:If only someone would have mentioned that before.Quote:
It lasts a long time because it is ultra-pasteurized, not because it is organic.
I do appreciate this clarification.I've wondered why they don't UP normal milk. On a side note,my daughter did a study abroad program in Costa Rica. They UP their milk, and they don't refrigerate it. Just leave it out on the table all day.Quote:
However, since it changes the flavor (for the worse in most blind studies) regular milk is not ultra pasteurized.
To me, all UP milk has the same taste regardless of the label.queso1 said:96ags said:I personally can't stand the taste of UP milk. It has a burnt flavor to me.CanyonAg77 said:If only someone would have mentioned that before.Quote:
It lasts a long time because it is ultra-pasteurized, not because it is organic.
I do appreciate this clarification.I've wondered why they don't UP normal milk. On a side note,my daughter did a study abroad program in Costa Rica. They UP their milk, and they don't refrigerate it. Just leave it out on the table all day.Quote:
However, since it changes the flavor (for the worse in most blind studies) regular milk is not ultra pasteurized.
They've been ultrapasturizing milk in Germany for years. It does give it a weird sweet taste. But I've never noticed that taste in the UP organic milk. And despite the fact that organic is UP, the fact remains that the stuff on the market still lasts longer than regular milk.
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The problem with this, as well as any other modern day "scientific-political" discussion, is which group of paid scientists and lobbyists do you believe?
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Organic farming is difficult, more expensive, and less productive. In other words, you don't make much money off of it.
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But surely the Ag Technology companies like making more money, so they are all into it? Nope, they hate Organics, because most of what they make can't be sold to Organic farmers.
Yet, life spans are increasing, diseases are being eliminated, people are remaining active longer. But, I guess facts need to take a back seat to your anecdotal beliefs.Quote:
Personally, I am more about "clean" food. Its my anecdotal belief that many of the health problems we have today are a result of our over processed diets and constant exposure to synthetic chemicals
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(BTW, whoever said the world is all Chemicals should never talk again. If you cant tell the difference between ingesting H2O and H2O2, I can't help you.)
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my damned liver doesn't always do the best job of cleaning out those traces because God didn't design it to do that, and I haven't ever done it any favors (thank you Bud Light and the Dixie Chicken), so those traces just hang around in there, building up over time....
Yes, diet has a tremendous impact on flavor. That is true in just about everything.Finn Maccumhail said:
I don't know if there are nutritional differences or not but a factory farmed egg. Even one labeled organic or free-range has very little resemblance to a true yardbird egg where the hen roams freely and gets most of her food from sources other than feed.
The bright orange, extremely tasty yolks are so superior to the pale yellow factory eggs it's not even a contest. I sincerely wish I could keep a few laying hens in my yard but the HOA forbids that.
Oops. What was his title?Lungblood said:
As a young grad student teaching ANSC 108 lab, I had the honor of introducing Dr. Borlaug to my class as a guest speaker... only I screwed the pooch and introduced him as "Professor Emeritus", which he was not.
Bitter Old Man said:
Personally, I am more about "clean" food.
Especially true for milk, eggs, honey, and to a lesser extent, meat. I had a neighbor once who raised 60 acres of marigolds. A feed company was using them for laying hens, to give the yolks a brighter yellow/orange color.96ags said:Yes, diet has a tremendous impact on flavor. On just about everything.Finn Maccumhail said:
The bright orange, extremely tasty yolks are so superior to the pale yellow factory eggs it's not even a contest. I sincerely wish I could keep a few laying hens in my yard but the HOA forbids that.
World renowned, nobel prize winning, famine demolishin, fightin texas aggie: dr borlaug?CanyonAg77 said:Oops. What was his title?Lungblood said:
As a young grad student teaching ANSC 108 lab, I had the honor of introducing Dr. Borlaug to my class as a guest speaker... only I screwed the pooch and introduced him as "Professor Emeritus", which he was not.
CanyonAg77 said:Especially true for milk, eggs, honey, and to a lesser extent, meat. I had a neighbor once who raised 60 acres of marigolds. A feed company was using them for laying hens, to give the yolks a brighter yellow/orange color.96ags said:Yes, diet has a tremendous impact on flavor. On just about everything.Finn Maccumhail said:
The bright orange, extremely tasty yolks are so superior to the pale yellow factory eggs it's not even a contest. I sincerely wish I could keep a few laying hens in my yard but the HOA forbids that.
EXACTLY. We are in this boat too. Do the same amount of work for more money--Can't afford not to. We sell locally and most of our buyers are buying from us BECAUSE they want locally raised beef. They can contact me and come out to our property to see how the beef they are buying is raised. And that comes with a piece of mind and has a direct impact on the local economy.Canyon99 said:
My FiL is changing his operation to be considered organic. He sees monetary benefit for something that isn't that different from how he currently operates.
