LiveOak said:

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Uh your assets are on river frontage. This is the risk you take. Sorry.

This is like someone living in that city and posting about how much they hate the traffic.

Well. Move.

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Uhh, you live in Texas - it has droughts periodically. That is a risk you take, sorry. It's like somebody living in the Sahara complaining about sand.

Well. Move.

See how that works?

I adjusted to the drought.

Let non native grasses and non native plants die.

Replaced with drought resistant plants.

Etc.

Yes. I see how it works

LiveOak said:

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I'm praying and hoping for another drought like we had from '09-'14.

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My man. I know you're tired of the water. But that's harsh. Like, makes you an A-Hole harsh.

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Come walk a mile in our shoes then we will talk. I was born and raised in the panhandle so I've always been of the mindset that you never complain about rain. And even through Harvey and 2015 floods and the 2016 floods I kept my mouth shut. I got tired of it but never complained. Fall/winter 2018 and winter/spring 2019 did me in. Most folks north of I-10 and west of I-35 cannot fathom the destruction that flooding can do. The wimberly floods are the only ones in recent years I can think of that are the exception to that.

When you have had 5 100 year floods in 4 years and you're staring down the barrel of another one today and tomorrow it changes you. I'm sorry that your 60 year old oak trees are dying and my heart breaks for the bastrop fires and the panhandle fires. And as terrible as those fires are, they rarely have anything on the damage caused by flooding.

There is cotton in east Texas that is still on the stalk from last season. It was planted last May. Close to 50,000 acres. But it started raining in September and never quit and now they are flooding. They can't get in the field to shred the old stuff down and can't work the ground to start a new crop. So not only did they lose what was in the neighborhood of 3/4 billion last year, now they can't get a new crop in and that's going to set it even further back. And no crop insurance doesn't pay squat.

I've got baby cotton in Rosenberg that was under 6 feet of water Monday evening because they had 7-15" of rain in 5 hours. I've got a buddy who runs a plumbing company (the most recession proof job except a hooker) who can barely keep the lights on and pay his employees because they can't do any high margin jobs because the ground can't even support a bobcat back hoe.

So sorry for coming off as being an Ahole, but you have no idea what we have dealt with. I've been in both situations and have seen a lot of stuff, and the flooding is worse, much much worse. So I will keep hoping for a drought and I'll help you plant a new oak tree at some point and I'll help you find hay for your cows. But you aren't going to die from a drought. Adjust your business goals and your cattle operation a bit and save money where you can.

And it's way more than just farmers

My plumber buddy and all of his competition. And since they can't put septic systems in homes can't be finished

Construction grinds to a halt. New homes new businesses. We are still repairing from Harvey and since most of the work force left we only have a few folks and they are way behind and homes are left vulnerable

Pot holes are all over the city from too much rain but they can't be patched because it's too wet

Oilfield has trouble getting new sites going.

And all these companies have employees who all pay taxes and buy things. It's a snowball effect and it impacts the whole state. Cotton cattle and oil have the biggest impact on Texas economy than anything else. Yes drought hurts cattle but you can haul water and hay and corn, you can't do anything if they float away

You said he was being an ahole for wishing for a drought. And part of the issue with Texas is it is usually only extremes. If central Texas has had plenty of rain we are under water. It's been 5 years of wet years in a row. Posters in here have wished for a small tropical storm to hit so it would fill up their stock ponds and their favorite fishing holes.

It's not that what I wish or you wish can really change anything with the weather. But saying he's an ahole (which he is BTW but for other reasons) because he needs to catch his breath from the non stop water isn't right. The pendulum will swing back the other way, it always does. And while both extremes are painful, one is much more so than the other

LiveOak said:

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I adjusted to the drought.

Let non native grasses and non native plants die.

Replaced with drought resistant plants.

Etc.

Yes. I see how it works

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Change floods to wildfires in your area, then come back to me.

LiveOak said:

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Can we not just agree that both extremes suck and not wish for either? Holy shat people. Just don't wish for harm on others.

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We can. Here's the thing - I don't wish harm on you. But I take offense to somebody telling me to pack up and move when I've been dealing with floods for 4 straight years because they need rain somewhere.

Guess what? Hope it rains where you need it. I don't want any more of it, I want a fuggin drought. It will take 2 years for us to begin to really dry out here as it is.

Also guess what? DGAS if my wanting dry weather for a long time upsets you or has any real effect on you either.

Seven said:

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You said he was being an ahole for wishing for a drought. And part of the issue with Texas is it is usually only extremes. If central Texas has had plenty of rain we are under water. It's been 5 years of wet years in a row. Posters in here have wished for a small tropical storm to hit so it would fill up their stock ponds and their favorite fishing holes.

It's not that what I wish or you wish can really change anything with the weather. But saying he's an ahole (which he is BTW but for other reasons) because he needs to catch his breath from the non stop water isn't right. The pendulum will swing back the other way, it always does. And while both extremes are painful, one is much more so than the other

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My man, smooches!

To reset a little:

The forecasts for upstream Brazos are somewhat promising. San Felipe is crested and receding. This will help prep for the coming rains.

On the glass half full, half empty debate: the high water has congregated about 75 hogs on some of our high ground. If firing a gun near stranded cows wasn't such a no-no we could've wiped them out.

Maybe they drown.

Glad the river is backing off a touch. Figured with everything up stream yesterday it wouldn't. Keep working on it

LiveOak said:

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Can we not just agree that both extremes suck and not wish for either? Holy shat people. Just don't wish for harm on others.

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This is what I was getting at earlier. I'm not on here to start arguments or fights about what's worse flooding or drought. They both freaking suck

fightingfarmer09 said:

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To reset a little:

The forecasts for upstream Brazos are somewhat promising. San Felipe is crested and receding. This will help prep for the coming rains.

On the glass half full, half empty debate: the high water has congregated about 75 hogs on some of our high ground. If firing a gun near stranded cows wasn't such a no-no we could've wiped them out.

Maybe they drown.

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Suppressed AR for the win!

LiveOak said:

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Uh your assets are on river frontage. This is the risk you take. Sorry.

This is like someone living in that city and posting about how much they hate the traffic.

Well. Move.

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My assets are on river frontage that never flooded in recorded history, and the house has been here since 1913.

My ranch was not in a floodway and only part in floodplain - but is higher than the nearest surrounding city.

After i bought the ranch based on this information, private developers were allowed to levee 17 new developments right along the river, among other things, and did not require any flood mitigation from them. Thus they plugged up the river after i bought my property.

Accordingly, fema then retroactively raised the flood elevation 4 feet, and put my ranch in floodway even though the city next to me is the actual floodway, but putting them in floodway would hurt their tax base more.

Come again on your uneducated post?

LiveOak said:

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My assets are on river frontage that never flooded in recorded history,

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We live in a time where weather history has zero bearing on current and future weather events. The 100 yr, 500 yr, etc flood classifications that were once a wow factor have become ho hum because of the back to back to back events we have seen.

If you're going to base your future planning on a house that has existed since 1913, then the jokes on you brotha. Weather events have been more extreme. Plan for it. Or lose your arse.

There's a reason I chose to install a 30,000g rain water catch system. I wanted a back up to my ground water well. Options. Choices. Hedging future extremes. It may not be enough, but it's damn sure better than saying "well it's never been like this!" and caught with my pants down.

There's some unedumication for you.

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I tell you what smartass ill come have your county give me permission to hook my water line to your well and water catch system and take your water in a drought. Thats the correct analogy for your edumication, *******. Because thats what the county did to me and my neighbors by allowing ****heads down river to dam it up.

It isnt your pansy ass climate change crap.

Sounds like some things happened to you that were out of your control.

Did those 17 developments all get built in the last year? I'm guessing it happened over time. Slowly making the problem worse. As that was happening, did you do anything to prepare for the consequences? May not be your fault, but unless you can bulldoze them all and bring the river back to how it's acted previously....plan and prepare. Or again, get caught with your pants down.

They have hard heads and tiny brains so some of that is to be expected.


The crazy cows I mean. Wouldn't want any of you fellas to think I was referring to y'all.


Anyway, here's to blue skies and a dry but not crazy dry summer so everyone can get stuff done.

honestly the whole debate was stupid, i was mainly joking, not really wishing a drout on anyone else either.

Back on track, please.

Significant weather advisory just issued for Bexar County moments ago. Stay safe.

RGV will have significant weather in the next 2-4 hours.

Boerne/Fair Oaks Ranch area is getting pounded right now. Small hail too.

New river forecasts up that now account for major rainfall estimates.

120' San Felipe and 49' Richmond.

Yep. That would make what, the 5th 100 year flood in 4 years....

Still like 4 days out. Lots can change.

It's not raining here now. Where are you seeing this?

A river that is 100 miles long will have a 100 year flood once a year.

Seven said:

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A river that is 100 miles long will have a 100 year flood once a year.

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WRONG! A river of any length has a 1% chance of having the 1% event in any given year.