Did any hail fall in Laredo also? Jeez....

It's pouring in Cedar Park...I just rebuilt my fence so don't have my rain gauge up yet so no clue on amount but its probably the heaviest burst of rain we've gotten at my house this Spring.

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We need it to flood from Utopia to Concan so Choke can get some water!

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If the current radar is to be believed, you may be getting your wish.

I'm all for rain and filling choke but we don't need anymore "flooding" around Concan for a long time.

Looking at the stream guages it doesn't look like any of those Hill Country rivers are got much water in them. Nueces, Frio, Sabinal, Seco Creek, etc... None of them have enough flow to get them across the fault zone; much less get them across the Carrrizo recharge zone.

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Looking at the stream guages it doesn't look like any of those Hill Country rivers are got much water in them. Nueces, Frio, Sabinal, Seco Creek, etc... None of them have enough flow to get them across the fault zone; much less get them across the Carrrizo recharge zone.

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I know nothing about the area. Are those aquifer recharge areas? what is the fault zone?

I'm not as old as the rest of y'all, but I can remember years it rained more at once than it has this year, years there were pop up showers every day of summer at 4 on the dot but never a year it rained this consistently and that the rain kept May as cold as it has this year.

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Looking at the stream guages it doesn't look like any of those Hill Country rivers are got much water in them. Nueces, Frio, Sabinal, Seco Creek, etc... None of them have enough flow to get them across the fault zone; much less get them across the Carrrizo recharge zone.

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I know nothing about the area. Are those aquifer recharge areas? what is the fault zone?

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Absolutely. The Edwards Aquifer recharge zone sits between HWY 90 and Barksdale/Concan/Utopia and is fractured (to the point of huge sinkholes) limestone. It take a helluva rain around Garner to make it all the way to HWY 90 before being sucked up. After that, the Frio/Hondo enter the Carrizo recharge - not as permeable, but still lots of fractured sandstone down below the surface.

I'm not 100% on the geology, but...

The Balcones Fault zone is what deliniates the Hill Country from the flat land to the South and East. So it's this fault zone that has uplifted Cretaceous age limestones to the surface. On the flat land below the fault are rocks of the Eocene. Many of these carbonates are exceptionally porous. The Edwards limestone is a great example. Where that unit is deep enough, it forms a phenomenal aquifer, wherever it outcrops is your recharge zone. I'm mentioning it as an example, but there are other very porous carbonates out there as well. In addition when the rocks immediately around those faults will be very brecciated (busted up).

All of those rivers and creeks are spring fed in the Hill Country, however none of them flow year around south of the hill country. In fact if you go to Google Earth you'll see that they dry up several miles before you leave the hills. I'm guessing (haven't pulled out the Geologic Atlas of Texas) that in that area they are flowing across either very porous bedrock or across a brecciated fault zone. Either way that aquifer basically has to be full before the river baseflow will continue downstream. Even non-baseflows frequently do not make it south of this area. Once the rivers get south of the Hill Country, say South of US 90, they still have to flow through several aquifer recharge zones. The most prolific is the Carrizo recharge zone. The Carrizo is a sandstone found at the top of the Wilcox formation. There are also some fairly extensive gravels that have been hauled out of the Hill Country over the eons by those rivers and creeks. All of those serve to just suck those rivers dry!

Did Choke end up with most of that water that had the Frio fat and dangerous the end of last May?

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2007 comes to mind. Rained all summer

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Yeah I remember that, but at least what I really remember from that was the pop up showers. It still got hot every day until it rained at 3 or 4.


We had the pool in my neighborhood to ourselves every afternoon because the families would leave when it rained.

I looked up the recorded temps for then and you were correct Ms. Cherry

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2007 comes to mind. Rained all summer

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Yeah I remember that, but at least what I really remember from that was the pop up showers. It still got hot every day until it rained at 3 or 4.


We had the pool in my neighborhood to ourselves every afternoon because the families would leave when it rained.

I looked up the recorded temps for then and you were correct Ms. Cherry

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Y'all beat me to this one. I thought it was 2006 though. It was the first summer I bought my Jet Ski and everyday almost it rained and we had to wait it out at Canyon Lake to load it back up.

It was 2007. Summer of the Rain Bomb at Marble Falls. Made constant level lakes rise 4'0" before the dams could catch up. Rough night, we slept through the whole thing. Did not know it even happened until we turned on news the next morning. Lucky we are on a hill instead of on the water.

I remember 2007. I remember them shutting down access to some (all?) of the trails at Lake Georgetown.

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I remember 2007. I remember them shutting down access to some (all?) of the trails at Lake Georgetown.

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And there were dead fish all the way up to the main road in San Gabriel park once the water went down.

Water also almost went over the Austin Ave. Bridge over the South Fork.

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I remember 2007. I remember them shutting down access to some (all?) of the trails at Lake Georgetown.

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And there were dead fish all the way up to the main road in San Gabriel park once the water went down.

Water also almost went over the Austin Ave. Bridge over the South Fork.

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That was pretty nuts. Wasn't that the year that the levee at Blue Hole got destroyed? They've redone it since then.

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I remember 2007. I remember them shutting down access to some (all?) of the trails at Lake Georgetown.

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And there were dead fish all the way up to the main road in San Gabriel park once the water went down.

Water also almost went over the Austin Ave. Bridge over the South Fork.

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That was pretty nuts. Wasn't that the year that the levee at Blue Hole got destroyed? They've redone it since then.

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Yeah, before then you could drive through the park. I'm also pretty sure that was the reason they decided to go with the high bridge downstream of the dam in the park.


My neighborhood has access to the San Gabriel, there used to be a pretty good swimming hole ( 5-6 ft deep in the deepest spot) but that flood washed enough rock that it was only a foot or two deep after.

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Regarding all the limestone, I do wonder if we will see a sinkhole issue crop up in the near future as more of the limestone gets dissolved by this now yearlong deluge.

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Not that kind of soft limestone.

We just got a quick inch in North Corpus after 2 last Sunday/Monday. North of us got blasted.

Karsting develops over a significantly long time. You're looking at geologic time scales, not human time lines. So if this rain led to something it would be the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back.

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I'm not as old as the rest of y'all, but I can remember years it rained more at once than it has this year, years there were pop up showers every day of summer at 4 on the dot but never a year it rained this consistently and that the rain kept May as cold as it has this year.

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it was chilly into June last year here in Houston. Talking low 60s overnight and in the AM.

Gonna be a wild one up here this evening. Lots of moisture in the air. Storm chasers are all geeked up. Channel 7 says hail up to softball size and tornadoes.

Work in Victoria. Lightning was pretty good.

Crud. Flying in from DFW soon. Hold it off for a few hours.

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it was chilly into June last year here in Houston. Talking low 60s overnight and in the AM.

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I think the Waco area had one 90 degree day in June of last year. Very wet and cool.

Then, July hit, high temps arrived and it didn't rain for 100 days. We went from severe drought to flooding ending the drought back to moderate drought in 6 months.

Big ass tornado near Big Spring

A house in Forsan reported destroyed.
*Edit to make clear it wasn't my house

If it doesn't dry out for about a week around here, I'm going to have to call in a combine to mow my yard. We got dumped on Saturday - around 3" or so I think. I haven't seen that much standing water in my yard since I moved in 5 years ago.