....Worse than 1911 fanatics.

I appreciate being a fan of a gun, but chill people the thing does not crap platinum turds when it fires.

Was involved in a discussion at academy with another customer and one of the sales guys. Sales guy actually knows what he's talking about, and is competent to give advice, and I was actually enjoying a pleasant discussion with the (now) new gun owner and the employee. We where talking about various options for him, and why each of us liked what we did.

About 3/4 of the way through the conversation, I made the mistake of saying "The reason I dont push the glock is an ergonomics standpoint.They don't point for me, and are not what I prefer to shoot from an ergonomic standpoint. In the same breath, I'd never tell you NOT to buy one..."

The guy looking at a scope next to us went bonkers! Started babbling and ranting about glocks being the "greatest design ever", "anyone who doesn't like them is making up **** to be cool", "You people just can't shoot". I just stood there and looked at him like he was a moron(IS). The employee at the counter finally told him he needed to leave he was going to continue causing a scene..

I mean cmon people.....everyone has opinions, and no gun is perfect. If someone is playing the "glocks blow up and are made of plastic" card, quietly correct them and join the conversation.

I might add the guy ended up buying a glock in 9mm(I'm not up on my numbers, I'm thinking it was a 17- full length barrel in 9mm), and seemed very comfortable with it. I gave him my contact and told him to call me if he needed help with him or his son(who is 6). Neither had owned a gun before, and I told him I'd be happy to bring some things out for him to shoot and help the youngun with gun safety.


Crazy people to get THAT worked up over a gun.

Why are you surprised? There are posters on this board just like that dude...

you think they only act out anonymously?


And, btw, I'm a Glock owner and love 'em. Can't stand the 92fs, as an example. To each his own!

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Yet you get worked up enough to come write a thesis on a message board to prove what an Internet tough guy gun expert you are?

It happens. Whether its Glock vs M&P or Ford vs Chevy or Bud light vs Miller light. People just need something to obsess over.

BTW: M&P, Ford, and Bud light are the clear winners. Anything else will make your huevos shrink and makes your voice high pitched.

If you like em shoot em. For me I'm about as comfortable holding and shooting a brick. They aren't for me but other than not fitting me I can't say anything else bad about them. Some people like the popular name brand best. I like what I can comfortably shoot.

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Not a thesis, not claiming to be an expert(unless offering to help someone teach there kid NOT to shoot themselves is an expert..), and since the VAST majority of the discussion on the OB is people just like mr mall ninja, and about guns, yeah I thought the discussion was pretty relevant on a sunday night on a DISCUSSION board.

Seriously, it bothers you THAT much I started a topic about someone acting stupid, actually typed out a few words of the back story, and posted a link you didn't have to click?

Have an RIA 1911, Glock 22, XDM 9 and some ooooold .22s (including a 30 yr old Ruger)... I love em all for different reasons.

They are like children- when you have more than 1, you find things you love about them all. When you have just one, you think that one is the only/best one... that's why there are things like bayonets for pistols.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajfiE3iq78k

I love those videos!

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Overreact much?

Not surprised stuff like this happens in the real world. Look at what happens on here whenever we have a AR thread. People don't like to be told they have crap or low quality guns. Me I like all of my guns, so if someone doesn't have a high opinion of them it's their problem not mine, I like what I own.

Practicality>aesthetics. Have what fits for you.

Xd>Glock>>>>m&p

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJNMl3rAyOg&feature=related

This one is funny as hell as well. What's funny about 60% of the PD I work for carries a 1911 now

Seriously tho Glocks are the shiznit.

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Glock=iPhone

Glock = iPhone is a rather apt comparison, IMO.

Personally, I don't care for Glocks - the small frames cut my hands, and the large frames are too large (I should probably try a 21 SF sometime.)

But, so long as they don't cut your hand, they are pretty much ideal for the majority of shooters.

All the accessories tend to be made for them, parts, mags, holsters, etc are all commonly available, etc.

Glock = iphone.........full tard there.

I dislike glocks since the glock commercials I've seen try to tailor it towards couch commandos and they have no safety devices, which I like for CCW. They also feel like a block in my hands and just don't shoot naturally for me. They're also WAY over price for what they are (polymer AK-Like handgun). I have also seen many of them jam, so they're not all they're cracked up to be in the reliability field.

Granted, they are overall pretty reliable, 33 round mags are a plus for competition, and they can be easily upgraded and parts are readily available.

I dislike them greatly, but wouldn't get angry having a conversation with someone who likes them. I would expect the same respect.

In the same token, I shoot an XDM9 and Beretta 92FS and wouldn't be upset if someone said they disliked those or said anything bad about them.

Some people just get too butthurt over inanimate objects and need to take a chill pill. Sounds like you ran into an extreme case.

Glock 22.

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"It just works."

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I dislike glocks since the glock commercials I've seen try to tailor it towards couch commandos and they have no safety devices, which I like for CCW. They also feel like a block in my hands and just don't shoot naturally for me. They're also WAY over price for what they are (polymer AK-Like handgun). I have also seen many of them jam, so they're not all they're cracked up to be in the reliability field.

Granted, they are overall pretty reliable, 33 round mags are a plus for competition, and they can be easily upgraded and parts are readily available.

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I disliked Glocks for similar reasons before I started using them as well. The lack of a manual safety becomes a complete non-issue after you use them for a bit. Same thing with the grip shape and angle. It only feels weird because you aren't used to it. Dry fire a bit with one and they point and feel as natural as any other pistol.

As for reliability I've seen every type of pistol jam. I've seen nearly a dozen revolvers go down, and when they break you aren't tap, rack, banging and going on. Glocks do so less than others and almost every Glock I've seen with problems was because the owner screwed with it in some way. Aftermarket barrels seem to be the most common way to make your Glock not run right. 33 round mags aren't competition legal even for open division.

I've used the Beretta, M&P, and Glock extensively and I've come to the conclusion the Glock is the best of the bunch. I did however get an STI 2011 frame in last week...

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Let me guess you have both. So you a full retard fanboy?

Grandpa taught me how to shoot with a Glock. He always said 1911s were for homos.

My wife has a glock. She likes it. Totally got sold by a local sales guy.

I think it is fine. I don't like the sight as much as the pistol that I shoot. But it is accurate, and a nice gun.

Was she at the Apple store? Lololololol! /dipchits

STI? Are you trying to make us envious? I'd be lying if I said it wasn't working

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Love my Glock 23. Never jammed in about 1500 rds. Points like my finger. Does not cut my hand.

edit; Also love my IPhone.

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I dislike glocks since the glock commercials I've seen try to tailor it towards couch commandos and they have no safety devices, which I like for CCW. They also feel like a block in my hands and just don't shoot naturally for me. They're also WAY over price for what they are (polymer AK-Like handgun). I have also seen many of them jam, so they're not all they're cracked up to be in the reliability field.

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WTF?

CCW with a safety is a recipe for bad juju.

Glocks are equal in price or less than most other similar polymer brands.

If a Glock is jamming, you're limp wristing, and it is operator error.

Yes, I'm a Glock owner, but I'm not a fanboy. I recognize them for what they are: an effective tool that works. Consistently.

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If a gun doesn't "point" well for you, try using the sights.

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I've never really understood the whole "points well/not well" description either. Are we talking ergonomics? Every gun I've ever handled I can point it where it needed to be (haven't handled a .50 cal or anything) but the difference is going to be on whether it feels comfortable or not. I can aim my 1911, glock .40, and S&W 629 well, but obviously the the .44 mag is the least comfortable.

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Most people, including me, I hear use the term mean it tends not to draw and come up in sight picture well.

Good example, for me a 1911lot "points" well.... its a very natural feel to come out of my holster and into position....if I have to do it walking or quickly, its easier. I also more comfortably come back to my aught picture with a gun that points well.

Back to what I said above, the Glock doesn't point for some people because it's not what they're used to. I don't feel it's an inherent difference in people's body structure but instead prior experience with the other platforms. I was the same way but with just a little practice Glocks point quite naturally for me. I can switch back and forth between platforms quickly now that I've worked with both.

+1 on "pointing" being an issue of practice - I have a heck of a time switching grip angles, but that's just a personal issue - I shoot w. plenty of guys who don't find it difficult to switch.

IMO, a safety is fine, if your regularly shoot it.

I've shot both quite a bit, and have never "gotten used to" the glock. I know officers that bought them as first gens that will say the same thing. They handle and train with there weapons often( smart officers actually shoot a lot....the ones who care to survive), hell one is our range master.

So yes I disagree. Some peoples hands are bigger or smaller, some peoples wrists naturally rest differently....lots of factors. For the same reason that rifle stocks aren't all adjusted differently, or you gonna tell the f class and bench guys they should sell the adjustables and suck it up...