that was weird.

one of the most pointless things i've ever sat through. from the instructor's thoughts on life and gender relations, to the hour-long sales pitch for prepaid legal, that whole thing was a train wreck.

bonus points to the arabic dude trying to load the magazine by putting the bullets in facing backward. and then trying to put the magazine in the gun facing backward.

well if they're both backwards, at least the cartridges will be facing the correct way.

That's to bad. My class was great, the instructor had a ton of thought provoking questions.

Reminds me of the hunter safety course I took. We got to the part where you had to shoot a 22 at a target about 15-20 yards away and a couple of the "hunters" were 0 for 5 on hitting the target at all.

also, they didn't keep track or count our shooting scores at all. i have no idea what my score was. i doubt they did either.

TexasRebel +1.

Hope his thumb is on the trigger, and Koran in the other hand. Someone got a bucket of pigs blood to smear him with prior to the "accident"?

Both times i've taken the shooting test for CHL, the instructor said they don't keep scores for legal reasons. If you were to be sued, it might come into question, so they toss the test out after they determine if you pass or fail.

Not sure if this was BS though.

That has been my argument against CHL on campus from the beginning. Most CHl classes are an outdoors version of the office tv show.

And the legal part is true. Awareness of classification as an expert marksman significantly increases the liability for the shooter.

So students shouldn't have the right to defend themselves on campus because some real idiots take the classes? But its okay for them to defend themselves off campus, even though some real idiots take the classes?

Or is it because of the perceived quality of the instructor? Because I garuntee that there is at least one person in every CHL class who thinks he knows more than the instructor.

+1 for nichols

when my dad took the chl, the instructor told him his score.

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This is weird to me. When I took my renewal this past March, I shot a 250. The instructor told me he shreds the results and if I was ever asked what I scored, to always say "I passed" and nothing more. Apparently, a couple of guys in my group intentionally screwed up their scores to make themselves look less than perfect on the qualification. I had never heard of this before. Hell, I was just trying to shoot my best.

i think my dad actually kept his target

I've heard of folks shooting poorly so big brother doesn't know how good of a shot they are.

To the OP: Who was your instructor?

I got to keep my target, and the score was printed at the top. However, the form they fill out just has a pass/fail option and no score is on record with the DPS.

it was the guy at ************, is his name, i think. his fellow "instructor" that showed up after lunch to pitch us prepaid legal, i'm not sure what his name was. he had a sign on his truck listing himself as an independent consultant of prepaid legal.

i was waiting for a life insurance guy or time share salesman to walk in the door.

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Some things don't need to be discussed on an open forum. The Libs already make up enough things about guns and gun control.

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There is a significantly higher percentage of shatty drivers on a college campus. I guess we should remove the privlege of driving for everybody as a result.

The 2nd amendment mentions nothing about being a qualified marksmen to bare arms, nor should it.

Everyone in mine shot ok. A few were off the target. Two said "I've never shot this gun before, probably would be a better shot if I had". It's weird to me. I shot the same weapon I qualified on 11 years ago. I also heard the prepaid legal thing. Pretty sad I even need to consider having a lawyer on retainer. My instructor was a former LEO and discussed the proper way to make the 911 call and how the first words out of your mouth should be "send an ambulance, someones been shot" and not "a guy robbed me and I shot him you need to send an ambulance" because in court in can be used against you in that it looks like compassion was not your primary cause for calling 911. Makes sense to me but it's a lot to think about. Also instructed to take pictures of everything you can except the perp because that will often be presented as a trophy pic.

WTF?

Where did you take the class at Jed?

My instructor didn't need to tell me my shooting score. There was just one big hole in the middle of my target when I got done.

So the theory is that if some 'amateur' center-punches a perp between the eyes with a lucky shot he's good to go but a 'marksman' does the same he faces greater liability? Both under the exact same circumstances where they were in direct and immediate fear for their lives.
That's bullsht if you ask me.



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TripleFour.... that's how mine was. I knew the score before he did. Wasn't hard to figure.

If he's gotta tell ya the score... you need more practice!

I had a really good instructor. We talked a lot about how to avoid having to use a weapon at all, and the consequences of drawing your gun.

My understanding is the reason behind not disclosing scores was because the first, or one of the first, CHL holders that had to use his gun killed his attacker. There was a civil lawsuit against him and they used the fact he scored so highly to suggest he could have just wounded the criminal.

The "shoot to wound" mentality will get you killed. When attacked you are shooting to stop them. In stopping them, you may very well kill them. You can try to hit them in some "non-vital" area, but there are no guarantees on that. Example: shooting someone in the thigh. The bullet smashes the femur which cuts the femoral artery. Since the attacker's bp is about 160/140 and his heart rate is 150, he bleeds out in under a minute. By the time paramedics arrive you've got a ashen white corpse.

Never pull your gun until it's Go Time and you are prepared to take another human life.

I have taken the chl class and renewal at two different locations and neither had any resemblence to the OP's class. It does make me wonder about things, though.

Anyone recommend a good place for a CHL in Dallas? I think I remember on an old thread on here people recommended Texas Handgun Academy.

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so, it's reasonable for them to be able to carry in virtually every other facet of their lives but it a bad idea for the same people to be able to carry in a "controlled" or "focused" environment such as a classroom?

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In houston...CHLNOW...its was good class. I only took the renewal but kind of wish I had stuck around for the whole thing.

I took mine on Saturday and it couldn't have gone any smoother. It was a relatively small class and everyone shot well so it went by pretty fast. But it is a full 10 hours, and If I am going to sit through that **** I would rather do it and learn something.

I took mine a t Shiloh and the instructor's initials were Dale Alvarez. He was great and I would recommend him to others.

I also shot a 250, but he recommended to everyone that they throw away their silhouettes. In a civil suit it would be hard to defend if you purpose is to stop the "bad guy" and you put three in between his eyes, rather than his torso. Makes sense to me.

Overall great experience at Shiloh, really enjoy shooting there and their classes are top notch.

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Urban legend (like "don't carry reloads", or factual based on case history?