Playstation is running into major issues

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So backwards compatibility, trophy achievements, and debugging on these seemingly daily new jailbreak exploits.

Even being able to play xbox360 and switch 1 games and psp etc on a jailbroken ps5. I would never do this. Seems like a really easy way to get some bad things happen legally and hacking wise. But Sony is being overwhelmed right now.
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You won't catch me participating in this, but I find it fascinating as a lifelong gamer. The "no more discs" was the last straw for so many.

But their biggest issue is the lack of quality software in recent years:

  • Invested hundreds of millions into live service games - HUGE mistake
  • Bungie: See note above and they sorta suck now.
  • Naughty Dog, Sucker Punch, Guerrilla Games, Insomniac - "Put a chick in it and make it lame and gay".
  • God of War: See note above... about to be another HUGE flop for Sony in 4 months.
If you want the TLDR/non polite way of explaining it... there are too many women/beta males/lesbians/******'s trying to make games for an audience that is mostly testosterone driven males. It's an absolutely terrible business model!

So the nerds got fed up and now Sony's console is jailbroken. "Sony should get use to not owning their hardware". Brilliant.
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It's pretty damn funny to be honest. Piracy is not a pricing issue but a service issue. These independent coders are showing that the console manufacturers are absolutely awful at providing a good service as they run laps around them providing things that the consoler manufacturers have claimed is impossible.
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Its pretty crazy how rapidly its happening as well. Like there is a non-0% chance that a PS5 version GTA VI could be playable before it even comes out on PC.
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jr15aggie said:

You won't catch me participating in this, but I find it fascinating as a lifelong gamer. The "no more discs" was the last straw for so many.

But their biggest issue is the lack of quality software in recent years:

  • Invested hundreds of millions into live survice games - HUGE mistake
  • Bungie: See note above and they sorta suck now.
  • Naughty Dog, Sucker Punch, Guerrilla Games, Insomniac - "Put a chick in it and make it lame and gay".
  • God of War: See note above... about to be another HUGE flop for Sony in 4 months.
If you want the TLDR/non polite way of explaining it... there are too many women/beta males/lesbians/******'s trying to make games for an audience that is mostly testosterone driven males. It's an absolutely terrible business model!

So the nerds got fed up and now Sony's console is jailbroken. "Sony should get use to not owning their hardware". Brilliant.


Every single playstation has eventually gotten jailbroken. It's only a matter of time. Doesn't matter though - because if you want to play online or buy new software that can't be run on old firmware like GTA6 you'll have to upgrade your firmware less you get banned.

Helldivers 2 has generated more money (literally billions in revenue) that more than offsets any failures in Live Service. It's very much a VC style strategy (few massive winners, lots of losers).

They've had plenty of quality software. They won GOTY in 2024 and tend to have a candidate most years in many prominent categories. Each year they have multiple exclusive series that are well received and sell extremely well.

God of War is about to be a huge flop? You're totally disconnected from reality. It has a ton of pre orders on the Playstation store already and was outselling GTA6 when it went live for a little while. Huge numbers. Where is the outrage for female protagonists when Resident Evil does it? There's nothing wrong with the main character in Yotei or God of War.

Some of yall have really let the culture wars rot your mind when it comes to gaming. Hammers looking for nails.
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jr15aggie said:

You won't catch me participating in this, but I find it fascinating as a lifelong gamer. The "no more discs" was the last straw for so many.

But their biggest issue is the lack of quality software in recent years:

  • Invested hundreds of millions into live survice games - HUGE mistake
  • Bungie: See note above and they sorta suck now.
  • Naughty Dog, Sucker Punch, Guerrilla Games, Insomniac - "Put a chick in it and make it lame and gay".
  • God of War: See note above... about to be another HUGE flop for Sony in 4 months.
If you want the TLDR/non polite way of explaining it... there are too many women/beta males/lesbians/******'s trying to make games for an audience that is mostly testosterone driven males. It's an absolutely terrible business model!

So the nerds got fed up and now Sony's console is jailbroken. "Sony should get use to not owning their hardware". Brilliant.

You are spot on with this, but these are problems with the gaming industry at large (other than Nintendo), not just Sony.
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Gaming industry totally went woke. So bizarre in their marketing and business model.
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First of all I'm a big PS5 fan... so much so that I recently upgraded to the Pro right before the price hikes. But I am not a typical user because I skipped the PS4. I get to cherry pick the best new games while catching up on the fantastic backlog.

But the long time Sony supporters are getting restless. Most of the big releases the past 5+ years went full girl boss... Uncharted, Horizon, Last of Us, Ghost of Yotei. Spidey 2 caught the neutered male protagonist / ugly females bug and Wolverine said "hold my beer".

And what is there to look forward to? God of War modern woman edition and Intergalactic?

I'm sure, as you said, Laufey will sell millions. But COD sold millions last year and was still considered a huge miss. I'd even guess that Laufey and Intergalactic will be pretty good games, but that's not the point...

The point is (and this is Sony's BIG problem), there is a very large (arguably a majority) of PS owners that don't want to play this stuff. Laufey might sell "well", but in today's landscape, a new full on AAA no woke BS Kratos led GOW sells a crap ton more and restores some faith.


Regardless of our opinions, there are a lot of pissed off old school PS fans. They are sick and tired of the recent trends and there appears to be little to no hope on the horizon with Sony 1st party titles.
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Dude, you don't know what you are talking about when people get upset over female protagonists. No one hates a game just because the protagonist is a female.
They hate it when:

1. They give the female protagonist an ugly character design. Most of the time they use a hot actress for the model, yet make the game design of that character ugly. Model is a 10. The character is a 5 at most. This is what happens when you get a lot of woman who are 5's and below too heavily involved in video games. Ugly women really dislike beautiful woman. Especially ugly lesbian women. These people are all about Girl Power and Pride Power.

You can compare female characters designed by eastern developers over western developers. Female characters from eastern developers are hot. Female characters from western developers look very mid at best. Guys didn't hate Grace in Resident Evil Requiem. She is hot/cute. Guys hate GoW Laufey because the character design based off of Deborah Ann Woll look like a washed up hag. They purposely made her ugly. Why use a hot model if you are going to make them ugly. The character is a goddess. Has anyone ever told an ugly ass woman a goddess, unless they were drunk and looking for a slump buster?

Look at games like Steller Blade or the Tomb Raider series or FFVII. Did you hear any guys complain that these are woke or hated the female characters?

2. They make the female characters girl bosses. They make sure to put these female characters in situations to put men in their places and treat them like a dad on a sitcom tv show. The woman has to come in and save the dumb, incompetent , sexist, racist men. Does Steller Blade, Tomb Raider or FFVII do that? Grace in Requiem isn't like that. Not sure of GOW Laufey will be like that, but the signs are all there, especially because of number one above. Then they waste money paying Jack Quaid to do motion capture of a freaking square jello like thing.

Video games are fantasy to escape real life for a time period. Men are the biggest consumer of these type of games. Not women. I don't care if they say woman play more games these days. They are counting mobile games like candy crush. Even one of the creators of the God of War, David Jaffe, said this game is going to suck. He even has blasted the main person in control of this game...she is like a 3, old, and my guess is a lesbian. How does someone like that know what men want? God of War's number one base is men, not women. Men don't put ugly lesbian girl bosses in their fantasies. David Jaffe is as liberal as can be and I hardly ever agree with him on anything, but he knows what his customer base wants.

It wasn't always this way. Not till you got woman in certain positions that want to "change the norms of beauty." That is what the lead creator of NetFlix's The Witcher said. Then she made most of the female cast mid to down right ugly. There is a reason the greatest privileged people are Hot Women, and these female developers want to change that. However, this is why Capcom is probably the most successful studio this day. They focus on what men want.
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This is correct.

Gamers have NEVER had an issue with female protagonists in games. Hell, i'm about 50/50, male or female character model, in the RPG's I play. I can't site the study, but I remember seeing some metric that showed a huge number of male gamers choose female character models.

The issue is making characters ugly or pushing...



Gamers tend to reject this crap. The majority of console and PC gamers are male. Men just want to play a fun game and get lost in the fantasy, not be preached at or told that men are horrible.
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The Unforgiven said:

Dude, you don't know what you are talking about when people get upset over female protagonists. No one hates a game just because the protagonist is a female.
They hate it when:

1. They give the female protagonist an ugly character design. Most of the time they use a hot actress for the model, yet make the game design of that character ugly. Model is a 10. The character is a 5 at most. This is what happens when you get a lot of woman who are 5's and below too heavily involved in video games. Ugly women really dislike beautiful woman. Especially ugly lesbian women. These people are all about Girl Power and Pride Power.

You can compare female characters designed by eastern developers over western developers. Female characters from eastern developers are hot. Female characters from western developers look very mid at best. Guys didn't hate Grace in Resident Evil Requiem. She is hot/cute. Guys hate GoW Laufey because the character design based off of Deborah Ann Woll look like a washed up hag. They purposely made her ugly. Why use a hot model if you are going to make them ugly. The character is a goddess. Has anyone ever told an ugly ass woman a goddess, unless they were drunk and looking for a slump buster?

Look at games like Steller Blade or the Tomb Raider series or FFVII. Did you hear any guys complain that these are woke or hated the female characters?

2. They make the female characters girl bosses. They make sure to put these female characters in situations to put men in their places and treat them like a dad on a sitcom tv show. The woman has to come in and save the dumb, incompetent , sexist, racist men. Does Steller Blade, Tomb Raider or FFVII do that? Grace in Requiem isn't like that. Not sure of GOW Laufey will be like that, but the signs are all there, especially because of number one above. Then they waste money paying Jack Quaid to do motion capture of a freaking square jello like thing.

Video games are fantasy to escape real life for a time period. Men are the biggest consumer of these type of games. Not women. I don't care if they say woman play more games these days. They are counting mobile games like candy crush. Even one of the creators of the God of War, David Jaffe, said this game is going to suck. He even has blasted the main person in control of this game...she is like a 3, old, and my guess is a lesbian. How does someone like that know what men want? God of War's number one base is men, not women. Men don't put ugly lesbian girl bosses in their fantasies. David Jaffe is as liberal as can be and I hardly ever agree with him on anything, but he knows what his customer base wants.

It wasn't always this way. Not till you got woman in certain positions that want to "change the norms of beauty." That is what the lead creator of NetFlix's The Witcher said. Then she made most of the female cast mid to down right ugly. There is a reason the greatest privileged people are Hot Women, and these female developers want to change that. However, this is why Capcom is probably the most successful studio this day. They focus on what men want.


I don't find either the main protagonist in GoW Laufey or Yotei to be ugly. They're not specifically designed to be overtly attractive given the context of the games. In Laufey, the character model is pretty representative of the actress herself not dolled up with makeup, which makes sense in the context of someone that just died and is a warrior goddess.

The idea that all games need absolute Gooner Bait like Stellar Blade or Tomb Raider is laughable and pathetic. I have no problem with those games either, but they shouldn't be the universal form developers go with the medium. And the fact that people are crying over this shows a severe lack of maturity for what I'm guessing are mostly 30 to 50 something males that are on a crusade about something petty like this.
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jr15aggie said:

First of all I'm a big PS5 fan... so much so that I recently upgraded to the Pro right before the price hikes. But I am not a typical user because I skipped the PS4. I get to cherry pick the best new games while catching up on the fantastic backlog.

But the long time Sony supporters are getting restless. Most of the big releases the past 5+ years went full girl boss... Uncharted, Horizon, Last of Us, Ghost of Yotei. Spidey 2 caught the neutered male protagonist / ugly females bug and Wolverine said "hold my beer".

And what is there to look forward to? God of War modern woman edition and Intergalactic?

I'm sure, as you said, Laufey will sell millions. But COD sold millions last year and was still considered a huge miss. I'd even guess that Laufey and Intergalactic will be pretty good games, but that's not the point...

The point is (and this is Sony's BIG problem), there is a very large (arguably a majority) of PS owners that don't want to play this stuff. Laufey might sell "well", but in today's landscape, a new full on AAA no woke BS Kratos led GOW sells a crap ton more and restores some faith.


Regardless of our opinions, there are a lot of pissed off old school PS fans. They are sick and tired of the recent trends and there appears to be little to no hope on the horizon with Sony 1st party titles.


I don't care that they've changed up their protagonists and featured both males and females. As long as the game is good that's all I care about.

What's there to look forward to? Just a Naughty Dog and Sony Santa Monica game potentially in the same year? That's pretty huge.

The biggest insult you have to God of War is that it features a "girl boss" as if the lore isn't based on actual Norse mythology where said "girl bosses" exist. You've shown absolutely nothing about how that is "Woke".

CoD was a huge miss last year because the game apparently wasn't very good. Why don't we wait until Laufey comes out before claiming it's going to be a massive bomb and disappointment? The gameplay I've seen so far looks par for the course for the series, which is to say excellent, and I'm excited with the gameplay possibilities they've shown so far being able to have a little bit more agility into the combat.

The problem with the Woke crusaders is what I said previously - they are a hammer looking for nails. There's no nuanace. It just devolves into brainrot like "female = woke" and they will find every little thing to cry about. The discourse is rock bottom, and its fed by rage baiting grifters and an algorithm that rewards such behavior.

There's a small subset of fans greatly upset about physical media going away, and it's bleeding over into everything else. And then you have the DEI/Woke crusaders I just mentioned that have a male version of a menstrual cycle the moment they see something perceived as a slight against their political crusade. Being highly vocal doesn't make you the majority

There's no evidence you have either that people don't want to play this stuff. Ghost of Yotei has sold roughly 6 million copies and generated over $400M in revenue. That was another game that was the target of a hate crusade online and people wanted it to fail. Didn't work as the game was a massive success. But if you actually play the game, you'll find ZERO aspects that are genuinely woke.
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You're right, you guys are doing great as evidenced by the mass layoffs and success of your AAA titles.. Keep up the good work.
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You are lying or delusional. The video game industry has absolutely been infiltrated and subverted from the inside out by far left trash. That's really not even an opinion. It's what happened. You can look at the group photos of the people who work at these studios and see the purple hair, nose rings, trannies, and soy face everywhere. The lack of straight, normal males is very striking, and that is the demographic that plays console and PC video games the most, by an overwhelming majority. The negative revenue, poor sales numbers, low player counts, and resulting layoffs are pervasive and speak for themselves. The evidence is irrefutable, and you're the one ignoring it.

You're not going to gaslight anybody into believing your bull**** so stop trying.
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Same here. PS5 Pro is my first PS purchase so I'm getting to play the historical Sony backlog that I've never played. A lot of them are older games before the far left wing crap took over so I dont have the current fatigue that long time Sony fans have...yet. But I can see it coming.

But I'm also in the rare camp of not caring about disc drives going away. Haven't purchased physical media in probably 20 years. Would rather have digital. Much more efficient.
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AggiEE said:


Helldivers 2 has generated more money (literally billions in revenue) that more than offsets any failures in Live Service. It's very much a VC style strategy (few massive winners, lots of losers).



You make a great point. I really like Helldivers, fantastic game! Now, why do you suppose Helldivers made all the money and games like Concord shut down their servers 2 weeks after launch?

FYI it's a rhetorical question...


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jr15aggie said:

AggiEE said:


Helldivers 2 has generated more money (literally billions in revenue) that more than offsets any failures in Live Service. It's very much a VC style strategy (few massive winners, lots of losers).



You make a great point. I really like Helldivers, fantastic game! Now, why do you suppose Helldivers made all the money and games like Concord shut down their servers 2 weeks after launch?


Because Helldivers 2 is a great game that managed to have viral success due to capturing a feeling of power fantasy and immersion of starship troopers that no other game had managed yet

Concord did nothing new, was just another basic arena shooter of which we have plenty of them, and it didn't do anything particularly great either. The undesirable art and characters contributed too, and people can latch on to the supposed "woke elements" of that game, but its probably the least of its concerns. Plenty of woke looking derivative titles managed to capture success because they are major first movers.

Live Service is a tough market to crack though. Even if you do make a great game it won't necessarily translate to success. Hence, the VC model.
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Enjoy your weekend brother! Gig'em
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This is Laura Fryer. She was involved with the original Gears of Wars games. She isn't a gooner. I would say she is mature. She feels the same as everyone else on this thread except for you.



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I am not disagreeing with the argument that there are cases of overtly forced agendas in some games. In the case of Gears of War, it puts a mark on an otherwise good game which is unfortunate. And the problem in Gears is that it isn't so much that the character has forced X,Y,Z characteristics, it's the fact that the character is just not compelling at all regardless of those aspects. It's just a downright boring, terribly written character that is completely forgettable. That's the biggest issue. TLOU for instance, has plenty of "woke" elements, but generally the characters and story are extremely well written and it doesn't come across as inauthentic.

My main argument is pushing back against the fairly superficial and far too broad claim that a female protagonist that isn't gooner level hot is therefore woke and the game is garbage and will massively flop.

Laura Fryer, the person you just quoted, has a video where she praises Sucker Punch for making Ghost of Yotei, which is an example that is a clear analog to the poster I was originally responding to that said God of War Laufey was an example of "lack of quality software" and that is would be "another Huge Flop" despite Sony Santa Monica having a history of delivering GOTY quality titles.

Most of these claims are just fictitious nonsense of hammers trying to find nails, it does a disservice to the actual points you may have that are genuinely egregious cases. You end up sounding like the boy who cries wolf.

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To put the thread somewhat back on topic, another big FU to Sony happening today is the anyPS5 project.

It will eventually allow PS5 games to be ported over to PC and use native PC hardware to run them.

Sony has deservedly garnered a lot of flack from gamers recently. They have become increasingly anti-consumer, including deciding to no longer release ported PS5 games for PC, driving up the price of their console (they blamed tariffs at the time, but their actions since then suggest otherwise), and of course deciding to no longer offer physical media.

The most fascinating thing about this Sony fiasco is that it's part of a larger revolt against software companies in general. See Reverse Engineer Anything, for example. The big irony is a lot of these anti-corp projects are using AI to build them. Pretty hilarious that AI, which is being shoved down everyone's throats, is now being used to screw over software companies.

No one can own a PS5? No, Sony, you don't even own the PS5.
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So, everyone pissed at PS5...what's your other option? I guess hoping that Xbox figures out their ****show?

I moved to PS5 last year because the sub was half the cost of Xbox with a much better catalog. (I've since read the new MS gal cut the price back because they killed their sub business with the price increase.)

The Steam offering is priced beyond anything logical last time I looked so that's already DOA.

I still want a couch and desk option so for me that's a PS and a PC rig.
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Yeah, I saw a video saying that Adobe cannot sue the people that decompiled their software to make a generic version of their product because Adobe has their AI steal from creators also. What is good for the goose, is good for the gander.
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I bet you're fun at parties.
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The Unforgiven said:

Yeah, I saw a video saying that Adobe cannot sue the people that decompiled their software to make a generic version of their product because Adobe has their AI steal from creators also. What is good for the goose, is good for the gander.


I'm not sure that's really true. Is Adobe using AI to create Photoshop, or images in Photoshop? Those aren't the same thing.

As for PS5 games being ported to PC by AI, Nintendo has already successfully sued and won against emulators. That precedent probably carries over to porter games. It's different than other software because the assets and story in the game is copyrighted.
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If you create something using photoshop, you are forced to share it with adobe for their AI database. That is what adobe is stealing.
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The Unforgiven said:

If you create something using photoshop, you are forced to share it with adobe for their AI database. That is what adobe is stealing.


Really? Another reason that company f'ing sucks. I hope they fail.
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Layoffs at Sucker Punch now. But I was told that injecting a female lead into their Ghost of Tsushima franchise was applauded and that the game made all the money.

I would love to see the job title, hair color and pronouns of the people who got let go.

Hopefully this is more healing and we are removing the people who hate their audience.
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The pendulum will swing back the other way eventually. There are too many male nerd coders out there to stop us forever!

Then the new startups they create will get bought out by EA, etc. and killed...rinse and repeat.
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jr15aggie said:

Layoffs at Sucker Punch now. But I was told that injecting a female lead into their Ghost of Tsushima franchise was applauded and that the game made all the money.

I would love to see the job title, hair color and pronouns of the people who got let go.

Hopefully this is more healing and we are removing the people who hate their audience.


A female protagonist is supposedly "hating their audience". What a joke. Their audience that actually played it enjoyed the game. Those following some fake culture war can play what they like best, typing online

The layoff was about 26 people…10% of their workforce, which is common in between projects prior to going into full production. Doesn't mean their last game which generated $400M in revenue (more than the original adjusted for launch) was unsuccessful
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AggiEE said:

jr15aggie said:

Layoffs at Sucker Punch now. But I was told that injecting a female lead into their Ghost of Tsushima franchise was applauded and that the game made all the money.

I would love to see the job title, hair color and pronouns of the people who got let go.

Hopefully this is more healing and we are removing the people who hate their audience.


A female protagonist is supposedly "hating their audience". What a joke. Their audience that actually played it enjoyed the game. Those following some fake culture war can play what they like best, typing online

The layoff was about 26 people…10% of their workforce, which is common in between projects prior to going into full production. Doesn't mean their last game which generated $400M in revenue (more than the original adjusted for launch) was unsuccessful


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There are some good games with female protagonists (Horizon comes to mind) but it's pretty damn fatiguing to have so many male franchises feel like they have to do a sequel with a female lead just to check a box.

Let's start doing female first franchises with male lead sequels and make it truly equal. Start the movement!
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YouBet said:

There are some good games with female protagonists (Horizon comes to mind) but it's pretty damn fatiguing to have so many male franchises feel like they have to do a sequel with a female lead just to check a box.

Let's start doing female first franchises with male lead sequels and make it truly equal. Start the movement!


The Tomb Raider reboot games (particularly Rise of the Tomb Raider) were excellent. Easily in my top 10 of modern AAA action games. Fantastic games!

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jr15aggie said:

YouBet said:

There are some good games with female protagonists (Horizon comes to mind) but it's pretty damn fatiguing to have so many male franchises feel like they have to do a sequel with a female lead just to check a box.

Let's start doing female first franchises with male lead sequels and make it truly equal. Start the movement!


The Tomb Raider reboot games (particularly Rise of the Tomb Raider) were excellent. Easily in my top 10 of modern AAA action games. Fantastic games!




Yes, really good games as well.
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