*****The Official Houston Texans 2024: Slowik strikes back****

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In reply to Diggity • 3:32p, 3/19/25
Diggity said:
I guess we're all good with moving up from 141 to 132 on penalties in exchange for a worse blocker.

Oh well, not in my control. We'll see what things look like next year. Hard to say we've upgraded things on the line so far.
I imagine we'll still upgrade via the draft, so the jury is still out.

There's a lot more than just blocking grades here. For the team, we now have a lot more flexibility without having someone potentially holding out for a new contract, and having to continue paying him a lot more than he was worth. Tunsil wasn't bad (except for the drive killing false starts), but he wasn't worth being the highest paid player on the team. Also can you imagine the issues we would have had if he held out demanding a new contract? And what would we have done then, no LT for CJ at all or giving in and keeping his contract as a boat anchor with CJ and Anderson's contract coming due. This was getting out in front of an issue and not having a big drop off at the position.
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In reply to IrishAg • 3:39p, 3/19/25
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let's set contracts aside for a minute, as that wasn't the main narrative at all when this was announced.

Everyone was griping about his penalties, his run blocking and his attitude. I don't know anything about Robinson's attitude, but I do know he's a worse blocker in every metric. He's also prone to penalties.

He's also one of the guy's that got Darnold killed in the playoffs (responsible for 12 pressures). Darnold held on to the ball too long of course, but guess who else has that problem?

At the end of the day, we had one of the worse lines in the NFL last year. Replacing our best lineman with a warm body doesn't fill me with confidence.
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In reply to Diggity • 3:43p, 3/19/25
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Diggity said:
let's set contracts aside for a minute, as that wasn't the main narrative at all when this was announced.

Everyone was griping about his penalties, his run blocking and his attitude. I don't know anything about Robinson's attitude, but I do know he's a worse blocker in every metric. He's also prone to penalties.

He's also one of the guy's that got Darnell killed in the playoffs (responsible for 12 pressures). Darnold held on to the ball too long of course, but guess who else has that problem?

At the end of the day, we had one of the worse lines in the NFL last year. Replacing our best lineman with a warm body doesn't fill me with confidence.


There was never any chance we would replace Tunsil with someone better when we made the trade. For all his faults (and there are plenty), he's still a top 10 LT and those guys don't grow on trees. As others have said, this was about culture, even if it meant taking a step back in performance for the short term.
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In reply to JCA1 • 3:48p, 3/19/25
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JCA1 said:
Diggity said:
let's set contracts aside for a minute, as that wasn't the main narrative at all when this was announced.

Everyone was griping about his penalties, his run blocking and his attitude. I don't know anything about Robinson's attitude, but I do know he's a worse blocker in every metric. He's also prone to penalties.

He's also one of the guy's that got Darnell killed in the playoffs (responsible for 12 pressures). Darnold held on to the ball too long of course, but guess who else has that problem?

At the end of the day, we had one of the worse lines in the NFL last year. Replacing our best lineman with a warm body doesn't fill me with confidence.


There was never any chance we would replace Tunsil with someone better when we made the trade. For all his faults (and there are plenty), he's still a top 10 LT and those guys don't grow on trees. As others have said, this was about culture, even if it meant taking a step back in performance for the short term.
if we take a step back on the line...CJ might end up like David Carr.
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In reply to Diggity • 3:53p, 3/19/25
Diggity said:
let's set contracts aside for a minute, as that wasn't the main narrative at all when this was announced.

Everyone was griping about his penalties, his run blocking and his attitude. I don't know anything about Robinson's attitude, but I do know he's a worse blocker in every metric. He's also prone to penalties.

He's also one of the guy's that got Darnold killed in the playoffs (responsible for 12 pressures). Darnold held on to the ball too long of course, but guess who else has that problem?

At the end of the day, we had one of the worse lines in the NFL last year. Replacing our best lineman with a warm body doesn't fill me with confidence.
Cam Robinson isn't a warm body, just because he's not graded as the best doesn't mean he's a JAG.

But there is one difference here in all of that, an offensive line being good is never about one person. From an individual point of view is Tunsil better than Robinson, yes, but of all the positions offensive line is never about the individual, it's about how everyone is on the same page and everyone can form into a unit. Tunsil was all about his pas protection stats, so was it a coincidence that LG was also a big issue for us or was it something more? Who knows, but when I think about it, playing next to one of the best LTs in the game should have made the LG job easier but for some reason no one has ever excelled at that position with Tunsil. Bad luck, bad play, or Tunsil just being focused more on himself than the group? You could make a case for all three probably, but because the offensive line relies on everyone doing something in a concerted effort it makes it difficult to tell.

Personally, my feelings about the potential for the line to be better next year is right back to where it was before Tunsil was traded. I think there's a chance, but I'm concerned. We haven't moved forward, but at the same time we've positioned ourselves so much to be better.
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In reply to IrishAg • 4:01p, 3/19/25
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seems like you're reaching on both ends here.

Ignoring evidence that Robinson was mediocre at best last year and dismissing the actual performance of Tunsil.

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In reply to Diggity • 4:04p, 3/19/25
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Diggity said:
JCA1 said:
Diggity said:
let's set contracts aside for a minute, as that wasn't the main narrative at all when this was announced.

Everyone was griping about his penalties, his run blocking and his attitude. I don't know anything about Robinson's attitude, but I do know he's a worse blocker in every metric. He's also prone to penalties.

He's also one of the guy's that got Darnell killed in the playoffs (responsible for 12 pressures). Darnold held on to the ball too long of course, but guess who else has that problem?

At the end of the day, we had one of the worse lines in the NFL last year. Replacing our best lineman with a warm body doesn't fill me with confidence.


There was never any chance we would replace Tunsil with someone better when we made the trade. For all his faults (and there are plenty), he's still a top 10 LT and those guys don't grow on trees. As others have said, this was about culture, even if it meant taking a step back in performance for the short term.
if we take a step back on the line...CJ might end up like David Carr.


I don't entirely disagree. I get why they traded him but it could absolutely end up biting us in the ass in the short term. That's why I'm mildly supportive of it but, at the same time, concerned where that leaves us.
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In reply to Diggity • 4:50p, 3/19/25
Diggity said:
seems like you're reaching on both ends here.

Ignoring evidence that Robinson was mediocre at best last year and dismissing the actual performance of Tunsil.

I'm not dismissing anything, I said Tunsil was the better LT overall. Also, Robinson wasn't mediocre at best last year, that's being a bit overly dramatic. The only reason the Vikings are letting him go is because they're getting their all pro back from injury.

The point I was making was the offensive line is different than any other position group in football, just because you insert the best player at a position doesn't guarantee that the line will be good, which was obviously proved last year and every year Tunsil has been here.

As I said before, I believe that Robinson is good enough that I think the potential for the line to be better next year is right back to where it was before Tunsil was traded. And that is "I think there's a chance, but I'm still concerned". But losing Tunsil doesn't guarantee the line will be bad just as having Tunsil the last few years never specifically caused the line to be good. It's not a 1:1 correlation
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In reply to IrishAg • 5:08p, 3/19/25
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His season numbers weren't great and he completely **** the bed at the end of the year (worst offender in their historically bad playoff performance).

I was thinking mediocre was generous.
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5:55p, 3/19/25
I've found myself more in the court that the Texans are looking for a very specific type of OL to give success to what I'm assuming is a West Coast offense being implemented by Caley. Guys with more agility is usually the order of the day. Hopefully that keeps CJ upright more as well.
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In reply to The Original Houston 1836 • 6:08p, 3/19/25
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The Original Houston 1836 said:
I've found myself more in the court that the Texans are looking for a very specific type of OL to give success to what I'm assuming is a West Coast offense being implemented by Caley. Guys with more agility is usually the order of the day. Hopefully that keeps CJ upright more as well.


Yep I was going to post something similar earlier. When comparing things like PFF grades, etc it's important to remember certain guys are better fits for different systems and will likely have more success.
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7:10p, 3/19/25
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When has Tunsil been a part of a good offensive line in his career?
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7:37p, 3/19/25
They just need to find an OL that is cohesive and on the same page, this OL really hasn't been a cohesive unit the past 2 years, they were atrocious in the run game and Tunsil was part of that problem. Tunsil is great at pass protection and mediocre as a run blocker.
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7:39p, 3/19/25
Danielle Hunter with a 1 year contract extension, good signing!
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9:35p, 3/19/25
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Robinson was more than solid till the end of the years. So the question is was he battling and undisclosed injury, Or just wear down?

If it was an injury that he played through, then there is a possibility that we picked up more than solid replacement for Tunsil for half the cost and none of the drama of the coming contract issue that would surely come.
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10:02p, 3/19/25
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The Robinson signing is huge. He isn't a great player, but he is a credible left tackle. If they don't sign him (or acquire some other left tackle), they almost have to draft a LT in the first round. Realistically, they would probably have to move up 10 to 15 spots.

Robinson isn't likely to be the answer at LT for more than a season or two, but his presence on the roster gives the Texans so much more flexibility in the draft.
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In reply to Diggity • 11:35a
Diggity said:
seems like you're reaching on both ends here.

Ignoring evidence that Robinson was mediocre at best last year and dismissing the actual performance of Tunsil.

The penalties were YUGE. Tunsil lost us games last year, period. The first half of the season I was on board with benching him. Im not arguing Cam is any better, but Tunsil was not an asset to this team. I believe Nick has a plan and the O-line, as a unit, will be better. I think a big OL trade is still a 50/50 possibility. And as has been stated above, Cam provides some freedom we did not have before in the 1st round.

Hell, if we can learn to pick up the switch in our zone scheme we will be MUCH better. That is not asking for much. We get 50 percent better at zone pickups and we are a better team, even if we lose some production at LT.

In Nick and Meco we trust!
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