We'll likely never hear it, but the are uni-directional mics all over that field, not to mention several players are mic'd up. I would imagine one of them might have picked up the conversation between the Lions OL's and the ref.
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70 was reported as eligible in the stadiumTexasAggiesWin said:
The ref is required to report if someone that is numbered 50-79 is now eligible, would love to hear the actual audio rather than just 3 guys running to the ref to 'claim' they reported
Citizen Reign said:There was only one penalty called and it was a bogus one. 68 walks right up to the ref and the ref looks right in his eyes. Two players can report.gigem1223 said:
Apparently there were two penalties on the play. Illegal formation and ineligible touching. There was no screw job here. The Lions ****ed up.
There were two flags thrown dude…
I would love to, but no such photographic evidence exists. Rest easy though, I've been assured by one of our super objective posters that it DID happen (just no photos or anything like that). #77 totally did it one time.TexasAggiesWin said:Whoa, whoa, whoa!!!! Show the Lions doing this or it doesn't count!!!TaggiesT said:
We can all agree, these refs are terrible
I think something we can agree on... the refs spent most of the game "looking the other way". And then, in the heat of the game, called tripping on Dallas and illegal touching on Detroit.
Refs gotta stop making it all about them with the game on the line.
Refs gotta stop making it all about them with the game on the line.
Damn. So Campbell and Goff had to have heard it announced that way, and still thought they would get away with it. What a screw job, I mean, they really screwed themselves there.FightinFarrier18 said:70 was reported as eligible in the stadiumTexasAggiesWin said:
The ref is required to report if someone that is numbered 50-79 is now eligible, would love to hear the actual audio rather than just 3 guys running to the ref to 'claim' they reported
I'm annoyed that the broadcast did NOT mention this but the ref literally has to announce if a player is eligible or not (specifically someone who is usually not) and the ref did NOT announce Decker. The entire Lions offense and sidelines would have known that before the snap and…
— Matt Owen (@ProfessorO_NFL) December 31, 2023
Jared Goff just confirmed it "Decker reported and Skipper did not. They announced the wrong player".
— Matt Owen (@ProfessorO_NFL) December 31, 2023
Confirms they knew and didn't correct it. If you throw to an ineligible player (bc he wasn't announced and you knew it) that's on you.
Citizen Reign said:There was only one penalty called and it was a bogus one. 68 walks right up to the ref and the ref looks right in his eyes. Two players can report.gigem1223 said:
Apparently there were two penalties on the play. Illegal formation and ineligible touching. There was no screw job here. The Lions ****ed up.
He is staring at 70 most of the time and then 58 is between the ref and 68 when it appears that 68 may have said something. You are seeing what you want to see. No way you can say for sure that the ref is looking him in the eyes while 68 is communicating. In fact, it looks like he is absolutely screened when something is said.
Thinking back to the complete gameplan... the Cowboys are in a very bad spot due to not having the ability to run the football. Certainly have to get that figured out or the playoffs will be unfruitful
Yep, absolutely can not call it off if they never announced him as eligible. Defense doesn't get punished for what the refs misheard.Heisenberg01 said:vwbug said:
That you can't make in that situation. He should be suspended. Terrible call. You pick the flag up there unless you are 100% sure- beyond bad.
No way you can pick that flag up. The defense is not guarding 68 because he is ineligible. You can't then pick up the flag and just decide the announcement didn't happen.
They definitely got cute with how they handled declaring as eligible, and I feel like they really didnt need to. My gut tells me they still pick up the 2pt if 68 is announced as eligible to the defense, it was a really well designed play.Heisenberg01 said:Citizen Reign said:There was only one penalty called and it was a bogus one. 68 walks right up to the ref and the ref looks right in his eyes. Two players can report.gigem1223 said:
Apparently there were two penalties on the play. Illegal formation and ineligible touching. There was no screw job here. The Lions ****ed up.
He is staring at 70 most of the time and then 58 is between the ref and 68 when it appears that 68 may have said something. You are seeing what you want to see. I way you can say for sure that the ref is looking him in the eyes while 68 is communicating. In fact, it looks like he is absolutely screened when something is said.
Exactly my point, the damn Head Official HAS to report anyone who is eligible that is numbered 50-79. That is on the coaching staff/players/particularly the QB on the field to ensure that the head official announces that correctly.TaggiesT said:Damn. So Campbell and Goff had to have heard it announced that way, and still thought they would get away with it. What a screw job, I mean, they really screwed themselves there.FightinFarrier18 said:70 was reported as eligible in the stadiumTexasAggiesWin said:
The ref is required to report if someone that is numbered 50-79 is now eligible, would love to hear the actual audio rather than just 3 guys running to the ref to 'claim' they reported
Brad Allen’s postgame response is exactly the same 💩 you expected it to be pic.twitter.com/7db3nRZ08O
— Bad Sports Refs (@BadSportsRefs) December 31, 2023
Macarthur said:I'm annoyed that the broadcast did NOT mention this but the ref literally has to announce if a player is eligible or not (specifically someone who is usually not) and the ref did NOT announce Decker. The entire Lions offense and sidelines would have known that before the snap and…
— Matt Owen (@ProfessorO_NFL) December 31, 2023
That actually does make it interesting. I've defintely heard the refs do a correction on this after announcing the wrong player as eligible. Typically it's all done on a live mic so we could all hear it.
jr15aggie said:Macarthur said:I'm annoyed that the broadcast did NOT mention this but the ref literally has to announce if a player is eligible or not (specifically someone who is usually not) and the ref did NOT announce Decker. The entire Lions offense and sidelines would have known that before the snap and…
— Matt Owen (@ProfessorO_NFL) December 31, 2023
That actually does make it interesting. I've defintely heard the refs do a correction on this after announcing the wrong player as eligible. Typically it's all done on a live mic so we could all hear it.
But they have to make the correction BEFORE the snap. By rule a player not announced as eligible presnap with a jersey number between 50 and 79 is not eligible regardless of anything else. The ref can't correct it after the play because the defense didn't know the player was eligible. Dallas has no reason to cover Decker because he was never announced.
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PatAg said:Heisenberg01 said:vwbug said:
SVP gets it. 70 wasn't anywhere close to the ref when he runs off. 68 is in his face. Ref screwed up. Plain and simple.
68 wasn't in his face. 58 was. Campbell tried to obscure who the player was from the defense and in the process obscured it from from the ref. It's like a flipping solar eclipse. 3 lineman are lined up in a row in the vantage point of the ref when one says they are eligible.the evidence is in
— Warren Sharp (@SharpFootball) December 31, 2023
a crime was committed
a Lions win was stolen in plain sight
refs are pure trash pic.twitter.com/VErRjxxMCZ
You can see the ref staring straight at 70 running and, pointing at him and then going to the LOS. Along with 58 going over with 68 at the same time.
So it's pretty clear that the ref thinks 70 is announcing as eligible (wrongly of course).
Doesn't the player have to actually say "report" to the ref? It doesn't look like 70 says anything to the ref. Ref runs away before 70 gets there. So confusing.
This tripping was called in hendershot.
Somehow tripping on Dallas by the way. This call killed the final Dallas drive that would’ve ended the game with Detroit never touching it again. pic.twitter.com/aO2jq5VTP1
— Nick Miller (@NickMillerATX) December 31, 2023
I dont think any of us know how players normally "report" to the refs. They never show it happen on tvMSFC Aggie said:PatAg said:Heisenberg01 said:vwbug said:
SVP gets it. 70 wasn't anywhere close to the ref when he runs off. 68 is in his face. Ref screwed up. Plain and simple.
68 wasn't in his face. 58 was. Campbell tried to obscure who the player was from the defense and in the process obscured it from from the ref. It's like a flipping solar eclipse. 3 lineman are lined up in a row in the vantage point of the ref when one says they are eligible.the evidence is in
— Warren Sharp (@SharpFootball) December 31, 2023
a crime was committed
a Lions win was stolen in plain sight
refs are pure trash pic.twitter.com/VErRjxxMCZ
You can see the ref staring straight at 70 running and, pointing at him and then going to the LOS. Along with 58 going over with 68 at the same time.
So it's pretty clear that the ref thinks 70 is announcing as eligible (wrongly of course).
Doesn't the player have to actually say "report" to the ref? It doesn't look like 70 says anything to the ref. Ref runs away before 70 gets there. So confusing.
TexasAggiesWin said:Exactly my point, the damn Head Official HAS to report anyone who is eligible that is numbered 50-79. That is on the coaching staff/players/particularly the QB on the field to ensure that the head official announces that correctly.TaggiesT said:Damn. So Campbell and Goff had to have heard it announced that way, and still thought they would get away with it. What a screw job, I mean, they really screwed themselves there.FightinFarrier18 said:70 was reported as eligible in the stadiumTexasAggiesWin said:
The ref is required to report if someone that is numbered 50-79 is now eligible, would love to hear the actual audio rather than just 3 guys running to the ref to 'claim' they reported
So
The QB was expected to make sure the official announced it correctly. If he does not, stop the play and yell at the ref, you did not announce it correctly?? Thus drawing attention right before the snap to the guy they were planning on throwing the ball to.
LB12Diamond said:TexasAggiesWin said:Exactly my point, the damn Head Official HAS to report anyone who is eligible that is numbered 50-79. That is on the coaching staff/players/particularly the QB on the field to ensure that the head official announces that correctly.TaggiesT said:Damn. So Campbell and Goff had to have heard it announced that way, and still thought they would get away with it. What a screw job, I mean, they really screwed themselves there.FightinFarrier18 said:70 was reported as eligible in the stadiumTexasAggiesWin said:
The ref is required to report if someone that is numbered 50-79 is now eligible, would love to hear the actual audio rather than just 3 guys running to the ref to 'claim' they reported
So
The QB was expected to make sure the official announced it correctly. If he does not, stop the play and yell at the ref, you did not announce it correctly?? Thus drawing attention right before the snap to the guy they were planning on throwing the ball to.
The defense already knows, the ref has announced it. There is no surprise. The only move at that point is to alert the ref of the mistake or call a timeout.
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Cowboys had a score wiped away earlier this year because of a ref and number reporting miscommunication. https://t.co/gLGUaVEm21
— Nate Tice (@Nate_Tice) December 31, 2023
If he announces it incorrectly.... it's a flag, right?LB12Diamond said:TexasAggiesWin said:Exactly my point, the damn Head Official HAS to report anyone who is eligible that is numbered 50-79. That is on the coaching staff/players/particularly the QB on the field to ensure that the head official announces that correctly.TaggiesT said:Damn. So Campbell and Goff had to have heard it announced that way, and still thought they would get away with it. What a screw job, I mean, they really screwed themselves there.FightinFarrier18 said:70 was reported as eligible in the stadiumTexasAggiesWin said:
The ref is required to report if someone that is numbered 50-79 is now eligible, would love to hear the actual audio rather than just 3 guys running to the ref to 'claim' they reported
So
The QB was expected to make sure the official announced it correctly. If he does not, stop the play and yell at the ref, you did not announce it correctly?? Thus drawing attention right before the snap to the guy they were planning on throwing the ball to.
*Editing this to simply say, if you are doing tricky ****, you have to make sure the refs know WTF is going on or you will get flagged
If they let it stand the narrative would be that the refs reported 70 eligible and never announced 68. One way or another someone was getting ****ed.
Thats what they are saying, Ive defintiely heard them correct the eligible player pre-snap before on a broadcastInfection_Ag11 said:jr15aggie said:Macarthur said:I'm annoyed that the broadcast did NOT mention this but the ref literally has to announce if a player is eligible or not (specifically someone who is usually not) and the ref did NOT announce Decker. The entire Lions offense and sidelines would have known that before the snap and…
— Matt Owen (@ProfessorO_NFL) December 31, 2023
That actually does make it interesting. I've defintely heard the refs do a correction on this after announcing the wrong player as eligible. Typically it's all done on a live mic so we could all hear it.
But they have to make the correction BEFORE the snap. By rule a player not announced as eligible presnap with a jersey number between 50 and 79 is not eligible regardless of anything else. The ref can't correct it after the play because the defense didn't know the player was eligible. Dallas has no reason to cover Decker because he was never announced.
They should have just replayed the down from the two ( no penalty yards).
Texas A&M said:
They should have just replayed the down from the two ( no penalty yards).
No they shouldn't have. 70 was announced as eligible, 68 was not. The ball was thrown to 68, so it's a penalty. It is that cut and dry.
It ultimately is a user error by the refs, just like when they blow a PI call or a holding call, just that it came before the play so it's not reviewable. A true game-deciding error.
I feel like this is burying the lead here
If this tripping call is made corrrxtly (it's on Detroit) or it's not called at all, the game is over. Dallas runs out the clock.
The 2pt conversion never happens.
If this tripping call is made corrrxtly (it's on Detroit) or it's not called at all, the game is over. Dallas runs out the clock.
The 2pt conversion never happens.
Somehow tripping on Dallas by the way. This call killed the final Dallas drive that would’ve ended the game with Detroit never touching it again. pic.twitter.com/aO2jq5VTP1
— Nick Miller (@NickMillerATX) December 31, 2023
Seeing tripper Skipper pouting on the sideline was fantastic.
McCarthy blew that game and still won!
McCarthy blew that game and still won!
Cowboys CB Jourdan Lewis confirmed that the defense was accounting for Dan Skipper (70) on the two-point play. He said they had worked all week on players reporting eligible/ineligible.
— Nick Harris (@NickHarrisDC) December 31, 2023
If Taylor Decker (68) had been reported, they would have accounted for him.#DallasCowboys
Some may not want to admit it but, if they had reported 68, it appears Dallas might have been ready. It's just balderdash to say that play should stand knowing what we know, which is that it was reported that 70 checked in.
But you can't prove that they would have run out the clock. There might have been some crazy play or a botched snap. Dallas didn't exactly make smart choices down the stretch with running the clock. The error on the conversion caused 1 team to lose when they definitely would have otherwise won.
I think it's pretty likely that game is over. Dallas would have had 2nd and short, at the very least instead of 1st and 25.
Infection_Ag11 said:LB12Diamond said:TexasAggiesWin said:Exactly my point, the damn Head Official HAS to report anyone who is eligible that is numbered 50-79. That is on the coaching staff/players/particularly the QB on the field to ensure that the head official announces that correctly.TaggiesT said:Damn. So Campbell and Goff had to have heard it announced that way, and still thought they would get away with it. What a screw job, I mean, they really screwed themselves there.FightinFarrier18 said:70 was reported as eligible in the stadiumTexasAggiesWin said:
The ref is required to report if someone that is numbered 50-79 is now eligible, would love to hear the actual audio rather than just 3 guys running to the ref to 'claim' they reported
So
The QB was expected to make sure the official announced it correctly. If he does not, stop the play and yell at the ref, you did not announce it correctly?? Thus drawing attention right before the snap to the guy they were planning on throwing the ball to.
The defense already knows, the ref has announced it. There is no surprise. The only move at that point is to alert the ref of the mistake or call a timeout.
Yes time out would have worked. But they did not have one.
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