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11:23p, 12/30/23
SVP just said it . Ref made a mistake.

68 was talking to him.

Lions fault was being too cute, but STILL Ref screwed that up.
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In reply to NukeAg10 • 11:24p, 12/30/23
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NukeAg10 said:
FightinFarrier18 said:
The most recent team to cry this hard about getting screwed got blown out 63-3 in their bowl game today


So the cowboys are going to lose their first playoff game 63-3? That would be pretty wild. Maybe I'm misunderstanding you.
I was talking about the Lions
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11:30p, 12/30/23
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Just throwing this out there...
If 68 "did not" report, then he was an ineligible receiver left uncovered by the wideout. Illegal formation. Refs missed that call too.
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In reply to rsf0626 • 11:32p, 12/30/23
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rsf0626 said:
The most annoying part of this is how we're going to have to hear all week about how detroit got screwed. If Ceedee lamb doesnt fumble at the goal line and mike mccarthy doesnt throw the ball on that 2nd down play on the last drive like a moron it never even gets close


Dak doesn't throw an int on a play he thinks is a free play, that should've been.

It should've been 30-13, and none of this should've mattered.
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In reply to FightinFarrier18 • 11:32p, 12/30/23
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FightinFarrier18 said:
NukeAg10 said:
FightinFarrier18 said:
The most recent team to cry this hard about getting screwed got blown out 63-3 in their bowl game today


So the cowboys are going to lose their first playoff game 63-3? That would be pretty wild. Maybe I'm misunderstanding you.
I was talking about the Lions


Clearly I was misunderstanding you. My bad.
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In reply to vwbug • 11:33p, 12/30/23
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vwbug said:
SVP just said it . Ref made a mistake.

68 was talking to him.

Lions fault was being too cute, but STILL Ref screwed that up.
Think it's illegal formation regardless, just wrong penalty.

You had WR (not on line), tackle, guard, center, guard, tackle, tackle (misreported as eligible), TE (off the line), WR (off the line). That's 6 on the line, need 7. You'd have to be very generous to consider the non-play side WR or TE on the line.

Both sides of the Lions lined up as if their side was the play side, their jacking around even confused their own players.
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11:35p, 12/30/23
Apparently there were two penalties on the play. Illegal formation and ineligible touching. There was no screw job here. The Lions ****ed up.
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11:36p, 12/30/23
SVP just proved it.

ref needs either glasses or a hearing aid.

Ref is saying 70 reported
70 said he didn't say a thing
68 said he reported

So the players did what they are supposed to do. The ref needs glasses or a hearing aid or probably both.
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In reply to gigem1223 • 11:36p, 12/30/23
neither would have been a penalty if the ref didn't screw up.
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In reply to hph6203 • 11:37p, 12/30/23
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hph6203 said:
vwbug said:
SVP just said it . Ref made a mistake.

68 was talking to him.

Lions fault was being too cute, but STILL Ref screwed that up.
Think it's illegal formation regardless, just wrong penalty.

You had WR (not on line), tackle, guard, center, guard, tackle, tackle (misreported as eligible), TE (off the line), WR (off the line). That's 6 on the line, need 7. You'd have to be very generous to consider the non-play side WR or TE on the line.

Both sides of the Lions lined up as if their side was the play side, their jacking around even confused their own players.

WR on TE side was definitely on the line.
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In reply to rsf0626 • 11:37p, 12/30/23
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rsf0626 said:
The most annoying part of this is how we're going to have to hear all week about how detroit got screwed. If Ceedee lamb doesnt fumble at the goal line and mike mccarthy doesnt throw the ball on that 2nd down play on the last drive like a moron it never even gets close


Or if they call holding on Micah even 1 of the 15 plays they held him on
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In reply to vwbug • 11:37p, 12/30/23
vwbug said:
neither would have been a penalty if the ref didn't screw up.


Wrong, cuz 70 reported as illegible and was covered up.
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In reply to gigem1223 • 11:38p, 12/30/23
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gigem1223 said:
Apparently there were two penalties on the play. Illegal formation and ineligible touching. There was no screw job here. The Lions ****ed up.


This has been mentioned multiple times. There were actually 3 penalties, if you wanna be technical. It was a penalty.
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11:38p, 12/30/23
SVP gets it. 70 wasn't anywhere close to the ref when he runs off. 68 is in his face. Ref screwed up. Plain and simple.
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In reply to vwbug • 11:39p, 12/30/23
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vwbug said:
SVP just proved it.

ref needs either glasses or a hearing aid.

Ref is saying 70 reported
70 said he didn't say a thing
68 said he reported

So the players did what they are supposed to do. The ref needs glasses or a hearing aid or probably both.

The hearing aid should be Dan Campbell's. They announced it in the stadium. If they announced the wrong number, you have to get it clear before the play.
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In reply to Heisenberg01 • 11:39p, 12/30/23
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Seen a guy that far back be called for illegal formation before.
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11:39p, 12/30/23
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58 is in his face too. Detroit wanted confusion, they got it.
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In reply to vwbug • 11:39p, 12/30/23
vwbug said:
SVP gets it. 70 wasn't anywhere close to the ref when he runs off. 68 is in his face. Ref screwed up. Plain and simple.


Then why was 70 running up to the ref instead of the actual huddle? Take your L
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11:39p, 12/30/23
Lions insist officials blew illegal touching penalty on two-point play - NBC Sports
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In reply to gigem1223 • 11:40p, 12/30/23
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gigem1223 said:
The Lions ****ed up.


Yep, the Lions definitely screwed up.
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11:40p, 12/30/23
Yep, ref misheard them and it cost them the game. Gonna get some heat for that screw up. Should have just called the Hutchinson tripping penalty on the correct team and they would have avoided all of this.
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In reply to vwbug • 11:41p, 12/30/23
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If you watch the video and compare it to what the ref said after the game, the most likely situation is the ref made a mistake and the Lions did everything correct. I am not implying the ref did it on purpose. I would assume an innocent mistake.
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In reply to vwbug • 11:42p, 12/30/23
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vwbug said:
SVP gets it. 70 wasn't anywhere close to the ref when he runs off. 68 is in his face. Ref screwed up. Plain and simple.

68 wasn't in his face. 58 was. Campbell tried to obscure who the player was from the defense and in the process obscured it from from the ref. It's like a flipping solar eclipse. 3 lineman are lined up in a row in the vantage point of the ref when one says they are eligible.
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In reply to Ag9701 • 11:42p, 12/30/23
That you can't make in that situation. He should be suspended. Terrible call. You pick the flag up there unless you are 100% sure- beyond bad.
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In reply to vwbug • 11:43p, 12/30/23
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Lions insist officials blew illegal touching penalty on two-point play - NBC Sports
Bro, we get it that you are mad that the Cowboys won with posting 20 times about the refs messing up
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11:43p, 12/30/23
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Would be interesting to see a montage of players reporting to eligible (or maybe just in big moments like this?)
I would imagine they dont normally send 3 players and only have one report.
Id also love for someone who woudl actually know (ex player?), if he had reported and the ref had announced it would we have been more likely to keep aware of him on the field? Or do players just tune those announcements out
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In reply to vwbug • 11:44p, 12/30/23
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vwbug said:
SVP just proved it.

ref needs either glasses or a hearing aid.

Ref is saying 70 reported
70 said he didn't say a thing
68 said he reported

So the players did what they are supposed to do. The ref needs glasses or a hearing aid or probably both.


He didn't prove ***** You're trusting the word of Skipper the Tripper on this one?

58, 68, and 70 all approached the official to apparently report a single player as eligible. A player who made no clear sign (don't give me the bull**** about the "hand signal" that didn't make it above his waist) to indicate he was the one of the 3 that reported.

The ref gives a nod to 70, and then tells the defense 70 is eligible. Which means 68 is ineligible, because part of becoming eligible is relaying the information to the defense.

Perhaps the ref should've spent another couple seconds to confirm who was eligible. Just as much fault can be placed on 58/70 for making the report confusing. Your talking heads keep saying "what is 68 doing approaching the official if not to report?" If that's the case, same question for 58 and 70. If "approaching the official" is evidence of reporting, then 58 and 70 have reported as well, and 70 is lined up in the core of the offensive line, which isn't permitted.

I can tell you the one outcome that would've absolutely been incorrect though, is the 2 pt conversion being allowed to stand, because, again, if the defense hasn't been notified 68 is eligible, he isn't.
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11:44p, 12/30/23
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The ref is required to report if someone that is numbered 50-79 is now eligible, would love to hear the actual audio rather than just 3 guys running to the ref to 'claim' they reported
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11:45p, 12/30/23
Campbell said that deception was part of the plan and had discussed it pregame with the officials. I guess they just didn't let him get away with it. I think they would have pulled it off without trying to do all that.
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In reply to Heisenberg01 • 11:45p, 12/30/23
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Heisenberg01 said:
vwbug said:
SVP gets it. 70 wasn't anywhere close to the ref when he runs off. 68 is in his face. Ref screwed up. Plain and simple.

68 wasn't in his face. 58 was. Campbell tried to obscure who the player was from the defense and in the process obscured it from from the ref. It's like a flipping solar eclipse. 3 lineman are lined up in a row in the vantage point of the ref when one says they are eligible.


You can see the ref staring straight at 70 running and, pointing at him and then going to the LOS. Along with 58 going over with 68 at the same time.

So its pretty clear that the ref thinks 70 is announcing as eligible (wrongly of course).
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11:45p, 12/30/23
SVP didn't prove anything. DDI you watch the retired official on earlier. It is the players responsibility. They created confusion and it bit them.
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In reply to vwbug • 11:45p, 12/30/23
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But you can't pick up the flag because he told the Dallas defense that 70 was eligible and they guarded him. They were not notified that 68 was and had no reason to look for him.

I think the refs screwed up but you have to follow thru on what you're calling.
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In reply to vwbug • 11:46p, 12/30/23
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vwbug said:
That you can't make in that situation. He should be suspended. Terrible call. You pick the flag up there unless you are 100% sure- beyond bad.

No way you can pick that flag up. The defense is not guarding 68 because he is ineligible. You can't then pick up the flag and just decide the announcement didn't happen.
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In reply to TaggiesT • 11:47p, 12/30/23
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TaggiesT said:

We can all agree, these refs are terrible
Whoa, whoa, whoa!!!! Show the Lions doing this or it doesn't count!!!
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In reply to gigem1223 • 11:48p, 12/30/23
gigem1223 said:
Apparently there were two penalties on the play. Illegal formation and ineligible touching. There was no screw job here. The Lions ****ed up.
There was only one penalty called and it was a bogus one. 68 walks right up to the ref and the ref looks right in his eyes. Two players can report.
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