***Week 5 Waivers/FAAB/Start-Sit***

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mAgnoliAg said:

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oh no said:

which order to target these?

DET (v CAR's anemic offense)
WAS (v CHI's TO-prone offense)
BAL (@ PIT's anemic offense)


Ravens or lions for sure over commanders. However, not sure which way to go between the 2. My wife is in same situation with browns.

Why didn't you listen to me oh no?


My bad, I posted WAS three game schedule.
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oh no said:

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Who should I start at QB?

Fields @ WAS tonight
Stroud @ ATL

Both projected to score within a point of each other wherever I look....ATL has the better defensive rankings.

I feel like Fields will score between 14-30 where Stroud will be 17-23.
I'm not considering one game against the sheeety Denver defense as the fix Fields needed and everything is awesome now. I think the Bears O still sucks and so does Fields and chasing last week's points is not happening on the road at WAS. I also think Stroud could be due for a let down game, but HOU will continue to throw the ball. ...then again, wtf do i know? cointoss.
The coin chose poorly.
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Haha. Yeah, that bears team and Fields looked totally different. DJ Moore owners, sell really high now?
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oh no said:

Haha. Yeah, that bears team and Fields looked totally different. DJ Moore owners, sell really high now?
I'm not sure. Outside of week 1 where he put up only 4.9 pts he's been pretty reliable two 30+ games and a 13 and 16 point game. He's the Bears only viable WR so unless the return is really good I think I may be comfortable holding.
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Dolphins trade for Claypool. I think this is all about his height.
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What do y'all think of this trade give DJ Moore and Jahmir Gibbs for Tony Pollard and Dionte Johnson. I have Justin Jefferson ARSB Jaylon Waddle Romeo Doubs and Nico Collins at WR along with Swift Kamara Aaron Jones at RB. Also thinking about potentially throwing Trevor Lawrence in there to add Tua since he has him backing up Josh Allen
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If they accept that then take it and run.

Moore has underwhelmed until last night so that's a sell high deal and Gibbs is about to fall off a cliff with Montgomery taking over after returning. That for Pollard who is a top 5 RB.

That's not even considering the lopsided Lawerence for Tua comparison.

Worst he can say is no.
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I'm trying to think back to draft adp's and figure out how in the world in a 10 team league someone with Jefferson (1st or 2nd pick) also has ARSB, Gibbs, and Waddle- all top 20 picks when your second pick was not until 19 or 20.
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Jefferson ARSB and Gibbs were mine 1 2 3 but I was able to make a trade for Waddle due to his rough 3 game start
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Ag_07 said:

If they accept that then take it and run.

Moore has underwhelmed until last night so that's a sell high deal and Gibbs is about to fall off a cliff with Montgomery taking over after returning. That for Pollard who is a top 5 RB.

That's not even considering the lopsided Lawerence for Tua comparison.

Worst he can say is no.
He countered with Swift Lawrence and Moore for Pollard Tua and Dionte. Still think this is a go but I'm a little hesitant to move D'andre
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How were ARSB and Gibbs there at 20 and 21 though?

I had #1 pick in two leagues and had no chance at those players.
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Yeah you're still coming out way ahead.

Take it
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Richmond Ag said:

Ag_07 said:

If they accept that then take it and run.

Moore has underwhelmed until last night so that's a sell high deal and Gibbs is about to fall off a cliff with Montgomery taking over after returning. That for Pollard who is a top 5 RB.

That's not even considering the lopsided Lawerence for Tua comparison.

Worst he can say is no.
He countered with Swift Lawrence and Moore for Pollard Tua and Dionte. Still think this is a go but I'm a little hesitant to move D'andre
I like that alot less.

Is Swift not just the Philly Pollard? Swift is a super talented RB. Is the clear RB1. Pollard and Swift are both not goal line RBs so their TDs will be explosive plays. One upside for Swift is that Dallas' defense is better which means less point opportunities for Pollard.

Fields has 1 good WR and 1 good TE. That is who he is going to throw the ball to. With Fields speed it will be hard for teams to play man to man in coverage which should give Moore opportunities in behind. I'm bullish on DJ Moore
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oh no said:

How were ARSB and Gibbs there at 20 and 21 though?

I had #1 pick in two leagues and had no chance at those players.
Gibbs average draft position was pick 34. ARSB probably just got drafted after Olave, Wilson & the top RBs (jacobs, Henry, Pollard) and then 2 qbs in Mahomes and Hurts/Allen.
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If Claypool plays like he did in Pittsburgh, this gives Miami an absolutely filthy WR trio. Could be arguably the best in the NFL.
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as a non-Hill or Waddle owner, I hope Claypool takes many targets away and Tue spreads the ball around.
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Frustrating thing on Sleeper. Claypool was on wavier for next wednesday because he was a bear when I went to add him. Then couple hours later he gets moved to not on waviers and free pick up and someone else nabbed him.
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texagbeliever said:

Richmond Ag said:

Ag_07 said:

If they accept that then take it and run.

Moore has underwhelmed until last night so that's a sell high deal and Gibbs is about to fall off a cliff with Montgomery taking over after returning. That for Pollard who is a top 5 RB.

That's not even considering the lopsided Lawerence for Tua comparison.

Worst he can say is no.
He countered with Swift Lawrence and Moore for Pollard Tua and Dionte. Still think this is a go but I'm a little hesitant to move D'andre
I like that alot less.

Is Swift not just the Philly Pollard? Swift is a super talented RB. Is the clear RB1. Pollard and Swift are both not goal line RBs so their TDs will be explosive plays. One upside for Swift is that Dallas' defense is better which means less point opportunities for Pollard.

Fields has 1 good WR and 1 good TE. That is who he is going to throw the ball to. With Fields speed it will be hard for teams to play man to man in coverage which should give Moore opportunities in behind. I'm bullish on DJ Moore
I agree with you on a lot of those points I just don't know if Justin Fields will keep his production up ROS or if it's a flash in the pan against two pretty bad secondaries. I'm very bullish on Swift since the eagle are extremely efficient running the ball and while he's in a committee he is the unquestioned RB1 in said group. He does have a history of health issues though. I think biggest upsode value for me in at QB upgrading Lawrence for Tua since I can have a qb 1 in my back pocket while Burrow figures things out. I also think Dionte is high upside when he comes back in week 7 since him and Pickett have a good connection.
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oh no said:

as a non-Hill or Waddle owner, I hope Claypool takes many targets away and Tue spreads the ball around.
That was why I ended up moving on from Waddle. Hill + Waddle with Mostert and Achane taking up more opportunities. I didn't know that Waddle would get 8+ targets or have any good TD chances week in and week out which is what a player needs to be a top 15 WR. Now with Claypool maybe Waddle only gets 4-6 targets a game.

Also Tua is an injury risk.
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I'll say this Waddle is an excellent buy low opportunity. He is still leading the fins in routes run in games he's active in. This past game iirc he just missed getting a TD by not getting a second foot in which if he scores that the outlook for him is more positive.
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Richmond Ag said:

texagbeliever said:

Richmond Ag said:

Ag_07 said:

If they accept that then take it and run.

Moore has underwhelmed until last night so that's a sell high deal and Gibbs is about to fall off a cliff with Montgomery taking over after returning. That for Pollard who is a top 5 RB.

That's not even considering the lopsided Lawerence for Tua comparison.

Worst he can say is no.
He countered with Swift Lawrence and Moore for Pollard Tua and Dionte. Still think this is a go but I'm a little hesitant to move D'andre
I like that alot less.

Is Swift not just the Philly Pollard? Swift is a super talented RB. Is the clear RB1. Pollard and Swift are both not goal line RBs so their TDs will be explosive plays. One upside for Swift is that Dallas' defense is better which means less point opportunities for Pollard.

Fields has 1 good WR and 1 good TE. That is who he is going to throw the ball to. With Fields speed it will be hard for teams to play man to man in coverage which should give Moore opportunities in behind. I'm bullish on DJ Moore
I agree with you on a lot of those points I just don't know if Justin Fields will keep his production up ROS or if it's a flash in the pan against two pretty bad secondaries. I'm very bullish on Swift since the eagle are extremely efficient running the ball and while he's in a committee he is the unquestioned RB1 in said group. He does have a history of health issues though. I think biggest upsode value for me in at QB upgrading Lawrence for Tua since I can have a qb 1 in my back pocket while Burrow figures things out. I also think Dionte is high upside when he comes back in week 7 since him and Pickett have a good connection.
Next three opponents for the Bears: Min, LV & LAC.
DJ Moore has had 100 + yards in 3 out of 5 games.

What I worry is that people are anchored to DJ Moore being a bust because of his week 1 performance. They keep expecting him to be bad and they will say see look at week 1 i should have known. Meanwhile it is a far more likely story that Chicago needed time to figure out real game chemistry with DJ Moore & Fields. Also Fields strikes me as a QB who will want to feed the WR who makes big plays. That is Moore.
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My problem with upgrading with Tua is 1 injury risk and 2 an extremely tough defense division.

Jets + Buffs + Patriots are the stiffest defense and have shown signs of being able to slow down the passing attack.

Tua (dolphins FF playoff schedule): Ten (++), Jets, Dallas, Bal.
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I'm definitely bullish on DJ Moore for ROS after last night's performance. My suggestion to sell high if you have him was just because he likely won't have many more of those 3TD monster games and now might be the time to shop with someone desperate for WR help- maybe even get an RB1 of out him. Depends what you have and need though.
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just made a deal to send off Miles Sanders and DHop and receive Swift and Rashee Rice.

I get a big upgrade at RB to pair with Kyren (and still have Mattison, Javonte, Khalil on bench) and he gets an upgrade at WR.

I'm really thin at WR now though. Jefferson, Olave, Garrett Wilson, and Rashee are all I've got now.
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texagbeliever said:

Frustrating thing on Sleeper. Claypool was on wavier for next wednesday because he was a bear when I went to add him. Then couple hours later he gets moved to not on waviers and free pick up and someone else nabbed him.
He's showing as FA in Yahoo also. I guess that's a corner case they didn't think of, where a player on a team that played Thursday night is traded on Friday or Saturday to team that plays Sunday.

I'd be in no rush to claim him though, except maybe as depth on your bench. With all of Miami's offensive weapons, it's just as likely a random TD goes to someone like Cracraft or Berrios or their 3rd-string TE as to Claypool.
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I don't know what to do with Waddle

I had him in my untouchable category because I wasn't ready to appease the buy low vultures but at this point I think I'd be a bit more receptive to trading him for the right return.

I think I'm strong enough at WR (Aiyuk, Pittman, Addison, Mims, Jameson Williams coming back soon) I can hold on to him and wait it out.
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Drewmeister said:

texagbeliever said:

Frustrating thing on Sleeper. Claypool was on wavier for next wednesday because he was a bear when I went to add him. Then couple hours later he gets moved to not on waviers and free pick up and someone else nabbed him.
He's showing as FA in Yahoo also. I guess that's a corner case they didn't think of, where a player on a team that played Thursday night is traded on Friday or Saturday to team that plays Sunday.

I'd be in no rush to claim him though, except maybe as depth on your bench. With all of Miami's offensive weapons, it's just as likely a random TD goes to someone like Cracraft or Berrios or their 3rd-string TE as to Claypool.
Claypool is the same as a lotto RB roster spot (Spears, Roschon, Bigsby) and is in my opinion more valuable than a bye week starter ceiling player (Zay Jones, Tyler Boyd, Josh Reynolds, etc). If one of Waddle/Hill go down, and these guys aren't the best at staying healthy, Claypool would vault into WR2 range potentially.
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oh no said:

just made a deal to send off Miles Sanders and DHop and receive Swift and Rashee Rice.
wish deals accepted on friday didn't have to wait until monday to process though.
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thanks.

I had not noticed that the Dolphins host the Jets for week 15 -- that will be a tough matchup for Tua in the semi-finals

looks like Goff is the counter-move for Tua owners. The Lions host the Broncos in week 15
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Any thoughts on trading Breece Hall to get Jakobi Meyers? My team is loaded at RB so Breece is sitting on my bench right now.
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I'd try to get a player with value
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ac04 said:

that's a horrible rule, they should process immediately
yeah because with my luck, i know what's happening this weekend and then this processes on Monday. Anyone know if commissioners can force it in yahoo? None of the four players in the deal already played on Thursday. All play Sunday.
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On nfl.com they can
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I feel like I should trade for zack moss since I have JT. What's reasonable to give up? I'm thinking like Gus Edwards? If JT is back then moss is basically droppable so I don't feel like I should be giving up much
 
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