I get that offense is important in this day and age in the NFL. But I'm still a firm believer defense wins championships. Dallas needs to focus on shoring up the defense this off season.
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Sturm was adamant yesterday the Cowboys should not extend Dak, Lamb, or Parsons this off-season. They're all under contract next year anyways. He doesn't care about the future cap hits and cited Packers and Bucs who overcame the same issue.
Essentially make them prove it and then decide.
Essentially make them prove it and then decide.
Yes!! This is the way!
We'd all be watching every preseason game like "does this dude have it?"
Remember when Romo came out in the preseason the year before he took over (I think) and started lighting it up. I was so freaking pumped up that we had a real dude after that ****show Bledsoe, Testeverde, who else?
I'm ready for new blood.
I'd kick the tires of JJ McCarthy and Penix. Go find a Shanahan play caller that seems to make it simple on the QB and build a defense that wreaks havoc. We're close on defense.. really close.
We'd all be watching every preseason game like "does this dude have it?"
Remember when Romo came out in the preseason the year before he took over (I think) and started lighting it up. I was so freaking pumped up that we had a real dude after that ****show Bledsoe, Testeverde, who else?
I'm ready for new blood.
I'd kick the tires of JJ McCarthy and Penix. Go find a Shanahan play caller that seems to make it simple on the QB and build a defense that wreaks havoc. We're close on defense.. really close.
Better franchise right now? Texans or Cowboys? I'm not talking $$$$$$ or brand. I mean which team is set up to win right now. Honestly, I'd say the Texans right now. Maybe it's lightning in a bottle? I don't know but I'm tired of Jerrah and his yearly tweaks to win the NFC LEast and get humiliated in the playoffs. Flame Away.
Texans
They seem to have the QB. He's talented and he just pantsed the #1 defense in the league so I don't have fear that he's going to **** the bed everytime a big bad team comes in the door.
They have some young talent and I think they have a coaching staff that is elevating everyone else. The rest of the talent will fall into place.
They seem to have the QB. He's talented and he just pantsed the #1 defense in the league so I don't have fear that he's going to **** the bed everytime a big bad team comes in the door.
They have some young talent and I think they have a coaching staff that is elevating everyone else. The rest of the talent will fall into place.
LB12Diamond said:
I get that offense is important in this day and age in the NFL. But I'm still a firm believer defense wins championships. Dallas needs to focus on shoring up the defense this off season.
Look at their recent drafts... look at the trade for Gilmore. They've tried and they have failed, simple as that.
Dallas needs to burn this thing down instead of kicking MM down the road another year. This was supposed to be his year to prove himself. He didn't do it. Yes, he made the playoffs- a quarter of the teams make the playoffs. Maybe Jerry at 82 is just impatient to rebuild? He'll win 11 games next year then lose early in the playoffs again.
I think Jerry the owner needs to fire Jerry the GM
That's what I think.Southlake said:
Dallas needs to burn this thing down instead of kicking MM down the road another year. This was supposed to be his year to prove himself. He didn't do it. Yes, he made the playoffs- a quarter of the teams make the playoffs. Maybe Jerry at 82 is just impatient to rebuild? He'll win 11 games next year then lose early in the playoffs again.
We're being taken for a ride because of Jerry's age. He personally doesn't want to rebuild because he's so old. It sucks because the franchise clearly needs to rebuild, fire everyone, and start over. I don't care if we have a few bad years if things are going in the right direction. Look at what just happened with the rangers.
Problem is Jerry might die by the time another rebuild is complete. I'm highly skeptical these guys can get anything even close to a Super Bowl or nfc title game with the 49ers, packers, and lions out there.
Maybe they see an easy path to winning the division? It all doesn't matter if you can't win in the playoffs.
The Ticket guys were discussing a fan theory earlier this week about Jerry's thought process regarding whether to retain MM: basically, if he hired Bill Belichick or Jim Harbaugh and subsequently won a Super Bowl, everyone would give the credit to the new coach instead of him. But if he can somehow win a Super Bowl with MM (lol), it will prove to everyone that he did it HIS way, which, even in his 80s and in the midst of a 30-year drought, might still be more important to him than just winning one by any means possible.
That's why he held onto a loser like Jason Garrett for nearly 15 years. Garrett was completely green when Jerry elevated him to the NFL ranks. It's telling that nobody else has given Garrett a coaching gig in the NFL since he flamed out with the giants. Jerry is the only person in the world who thinks Garrett is a good coach. He wanted it to work so bad because he would've got all the credit if it did.J.P. 03 said:
The Ticket guys were discussing a fan theory earlier this week about Jerry's thought process regarding whether to retain MM: basically, if he hired Bill Belichick or Jim Harbaugh and subsequently won a Super Bowl, everyone would give the credit to the new coach instead of him. But if he can somehow win a Super Bowl with MM (lol), it will prove to everyone that he did it HIS way, which, even in his 80s and in the midst of a 30-year drought, might still be more important to him than just winning one by any means possible.
I'd say Jerry both built Jason and destroyed him. I think he would have gotten more jobs if he wasn't here for so long, but by the time they finally parted ways Jason had risen and fallen in everyone's mind. He'd been in the spotlight of America's Team for so long and the waves had moved against him so hard that he had to take a ****ty OC job with the Giants with a lame duck head coach.
Someone needs to get jerry and junior saying the n word on tape. Force them to sell the team
The Jones' are never selling. Hell, in the 2060s my kids will be on here *****ing about how Spaulding the Owner needs to fire Spaulding the GM.
We will see what they do this offseason with Dak, but with his deal and Mcarthey's deal both expiring after next season I could see Jerry thinking 2024 is the year and if they fail well time to start over with a new coach and QB. It would make sense to blow it up after 2024 but sign Parsons and Lamb and try to bridge the gap in 25 with Lance or a draft pick. I personally do not think Jerry will part ways with Dak mainly because of all the marketing and branding that has went into making Dak the face of the franchise; Jerry doesnt want to start that over and risk it not working out in terms of marketability.Grapesoda2525 said:That's what I think.Southlake said:
Dallas needs to burn this thing down instead of kicking MM down the road another year. This was supposed to be his year to prove himself. He didn't do it. Yes, he made the playoffs- a quarter of the teams make the playoffs. Maybe Jerry at 82 is just impatient to rebuild? He'll win 11 games next year then lose early in the playoffs again.
We're being taken for a ride because of Jerry's age. He personally doesn't want to rebuild because he's so old. It sucks because the franchise clearly needs to rebuild, fire everyone, and start over. I don't care if we have a few bad years if things are going in the right direction. Look at what just happened with the rangers.
Problem is Jerry might die by the time another rebuild is complete. I'm highly skeptical these guys can get anything even close to a Super Bowl or nfc title game with the 49ers, packers, and lions out there.
Maybe they see an easy path to winning the division? It all doesn't matter if you can't win in the playoffs.
City Dumme said:
I think Jerry the owner needs to fire Jerry the GM
Said everyone for the past two decades...
All I know is, this feels like another 2008 season incoming!
(For those that don't know... 2007 was a crazy successful regular season, but we went 1 and done in the playoffs... lost to a team that everyone assumed we'd smoke. Jerry and Co. assumed we could just do it all again so we basically put the same team/coaches on the field and didn't even make the playoffs the next season).
(For those that don't know... 2007 was a crazy successful regular season, but we went 1 and done in the playoffs... lost to a team that everyone assumed we'd smoke. Jerry and Co. assumed we could just do it all again so we basically put the same team/coaches on the field and didn't even make the playoffs the next season).
What makes it tricky is clearly the defense was good, and probably very good, this year.LB12Diamond said:
I get that offense is important in this day and age in the NFL. But I'm still a firm believer defense wins championships. Dallas needs to focus on shoring up the defense this off season.
BUT, it had a specific weakness that only a few teams could exploit..but when they did the game was just over before it started.
So i definitely agree that that should be priority #1 in the draft/offseason
At this point this is the best outcome we can hope for.
If JJ McCarthy is there in Dallas' 1st pick, should we draft him and not extend Dak? I want the fire so dang hot on Dak that he either poops his pants or we win the super bowl. Don't really care the outcome. Maybe I want to win the super bowl a little more than pooping his pants, but either would be a resolution.
If JJ McCarthy is there in Dallas' 1st pick, should we draft him and not extend Dak? I want the fire so dang hot on Dak that he either poops his pants or we win the super bowl. Don't really care the outcome. Maybe I want to win the super bowl a little more than pooping his pants, but either would be a resolution.
The tricky thing is the Cowboys need to address left tackle and beefing up the front seven in the draft along with finding an RB that can break tackles. I suppose they can get the Patriots LT in free agency and use that 1st pick for a QB but I would imagine they will address needs considering Lance is on the bench. We know deep down Jerry wants Dak comfortable here for years to come.Woods Ag said:
At this point this is the best outcome we can hope for.
If JJ McCarthy is there in Dallas' 1st pick, should we draft him and not extend Dak? I want the fire so dang hot on Dak that he either poops his pants or we win the super bowl. Don't really care the outcome. Maybe I want to win the super bowl a little more than pooping his pants, but either would be a resolution.
It would be helpful if there is a starting LT there when we draft in the 1st and we can let Smith walk.
Do we play the NFC south next year?jr15aggie said:
All I know is, this feels like another 2008 season incoming!
(For those that don't know... 2007 was a crazy successful regular season, but we went 1 and done in the playoffs... lost to a team that everyone assumed we'd smoke. Jerry and Co. assumed we could just do it all again so we basically put the same team/coaches on the field and didn't even make the playoffs the next season).
2 games against NFC east teams and 4 south teams could equal a soft schedule.
He may prove me wrong, but I really don't see McCarthy as an NFL qb
definitely not a 1st round pickDannyDuberstein said:
He may prove me wrong, but I really don't see McCarthy as an NFL qb
McCarthy is 100% going to be a 1st round pick in the NFL draft. There's absolutely no doubt about that. In my personal opinion, he's going to be a star in the league. He has great arm strength, good running ability, and very high upside. He honestly reminds me a lot of Johhny (though nowhere near as good) because of his scrambling ability and the ability to make off-platform throws while on the run outside the pocket. I do a lot of scouting, and I think there's a lot to like about JJ.
I don't do a lot of scouting but I like what I saw from him the past few years. Harbaugh seemed to hand pick the kid and tutor him the whole way. He's confident and he's always performed pretty well except for that TCU game.
2 years starting. Look at his stats. He wasn't asked to do a lot, but what he was asked to do he did well. And I think there's a lot to say about having big game experience and quality starts in college football. He has the arm talent.
I'll say this. I have a lot less questions about his mental game and his ability to be a team player, lead, and operate within a system than I do about Caleb Williams.
2 years starting. Look at his stats. He wasn't asked to do a lot, but what he was asked to do he did well. And I think there's a lot to say about having big game experience and quality starts in college football. He has the arm talent.
I'll say this. I have a lot less questions about his mental game and his ability to be a team player, lead, and operate within a system than I do about Caleb Williams.
What's all this chatter about? Isn't y'all's season over?
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Tksymm7 said:
You have to have a plan in place, be willing to take swings in the draft or via trade, and be comfortable being bad for a few years until you find the right guy again. I'll just keep saying it, but what is the point of winning 12 games a year, knowing you can't and won't get it done in the playoffs? The only thing that matters for the Cowboys is what they do in the playoffs. I personally don't think people would care a lick if they let Dak go and were 5-7 wins per year bad for a few years, because we haven't done anything with 12 win seasons for a decade. I think people would actually be more interested in a bad Cowboys team that would be trying to find the next QB and reset the franchise.
The only way you move on from Dak is if you can trade him to the Bears for the #1 pick and take Williams. Which the Bears wouldn't do.
Past that, what you're describing is how you end up terrible for years. I've got my issues with Dak, but he is good and can get us there. He will have this stigma until he does, but he wins games. There is not guarantee that it would be a few years of 5-7. Quarterbacks are extremely hard to hit on. We only have Dak because Denver took Paxton Lynch in the 1st round. Remember, we wanted him and he's out of the league. You don't move on from a guy like Dak unless you have a slam dunk lined up.
I would too.
I'm excited for the Texans. It's nice to feel like you have a bright future
I'm excited for the Texans. It's nice to feel like you have a bright future
Would Romo have come back and taken them to the Super Bowl then?
Would Paxton Lynch developed better because he had a dominant defense and offense that was built to ground and pound?
That's what I think the key is to developing a QB. Unless they are Manning, Andrew Luck, or Joe Burrow.
Would Paxton Lynch developed better because he had a dominant defense and offense that was built to ground and pound?
That's what I think the key is to developing a QB. Unless they are Manning, Andrew Luck, or Joe Burrow.
At that point in Romo's career I don't think there was any way he could have stayed healthy.Woods Ag said:
Would Romo have come back and taken them to the Super Bowl then?
Would Paxton Lynch developed better because he had a dominant defense and offense that was built to ground and pound?
That's what I think the key is to developing a QB. Unless they are Manning, Andrew Luck, or Joe Burrow.
Re: Paxton Lynch. No. That guy couldn't play. Maybe there's a world where he is drafted into the perfect scenario and they turn him into Sam Darnold. He's a 1st round pick who played in 5 games for a team without a quarterback. That guy isn't out of the NFL because he didn't land in the right situation to make him great or even competent.
The bigger question is about Dak. If you redrafted the 2016 class, Dak would be the first quarterback taken and give then premium on quarterbacks he would likely be the #1 overall pick. If he ended up with Sean McVay (after suffering through Jeff Fisher) I think the Rams win the Super Bowl with the quarterback they drafted and don't have to make the trade for Stafford.
Regarding development, start them early. Maybe not the 1st game of their rookie season, but get them in and start them sooner rather than later. If they're great then they will be great. They learn from reps and it's the starter who gets the reps. Aaron Rodgers wasn't great because he sat. He was great because he was great.
The weird revisionist hindsight with respect to Prescott within this fanbase right now is really something to behold.
The Cowboys drafted a QB in the 4th round who is going to end up being their full time starter for at least a decade, will most likely retire holding every single conceivable passing record in team history (in significantly fewer games than Aikman or Romo played to get there), is on pace to play his entire career never finishing below .500 in a season and will have won 4+ division titles. And that's IF he only plays one more year here, which is unlikely since he's going to be extended and even if MM leaves no new coach is gonna come in and be like "yeah let's get rid of this pro bowl caliber QB right in the middle of his prime years". These people realize that if Dak ever wins even just one Super Bowl, he's going to be in the hall of fame? You do all realize this, correct? Hell with the numbers he'd finish with in that scenario he's likely a first ballot hall of famer based on past QB precedent.
Dak Prescott is one of the greatest draft steals of all time even if he never played another down here. The front office should never receive anything other than praise for his selection. Hes already accomplished more than the vast majority of first round QBs that have ever been selected and ever will be selected.
The Cowboys drafted a QB in the 4th round who is going to end up being their full time starter for at least a decade, will most likely retire holding every single conceivable passing record in team history (in significantly fewer games than Aikman or Romo played to get there), is on pace to play his entire career never finishing below .500 in a season and will have won 4+ division titles. And that's IF he only plays one more year here, which is unlikely since he's going to be extended and even if MM leaves no new coach is gonna come in and be like "yeah let's get rid of this pro bowl caliber QB right in the middle of his prime years". These people realize that if Dak ever wins even just one Super Bowl, he's going to be in the hall of fame? You do all realize this, correct? Hell with the numbers he'd finish with in that scenario he's likely a first ballot hall of famer based on past QB precedent.
Dak Prescott is one of the greatest draft steals of all time even if he never played another down here. The front office should never receive anything other than praise for his selection. Hes already accomplished more than the vast majority of first round QBs that have ever been selected and ever will be selected.
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This is mostly all true. But that doesnt mean we need to extend his contract or make him paid like a top 5 QB with a new contract.Infection_Ag11 said:
The weird revisionist hindsight with respect to Prescott within this fanbase right now is really something to behold.
The Cowboys drafted a QB in the 4th round who is going to end up being their full time starter for at least a decade, will most likely retire holding every single conceivable passing record in team history (in significantly fewer games than Aikman or Romo played to get there), is on pace to play his entire career never finishing below .500 in a season and will have won 4+ division titles. And that's IF he only plays one more year here, which is unlikely since he's going to be extended and even if MM leaves no new coach is gonna come in and be like "yeah let's get rid of this pro bowl caliber QB right in the middle of his prime years". These people realize that if Dak ever wins even just one Super Bowl, he's going to be in the hall of fame? You do all realize this, correct? Hell with the numbers he'd finish with in that scenario he's likely a first ballot hall of famer based on past QB precedent.
Dak Prescott is one of the greatest draft steals of all time even if he never played another down here. The front office should never receive anything other than praise for his selection. Hes already accomplished more than the vast majority of first round QBs that have ever been selected and ever will be selected.
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