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Infection_Ag11 said:

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The weird revisionist hindsight with respect to Prescott within this fanbase right now is really something to behold.

The Cowboys drafted a QB in the 4th round who is going to end up being their full time starter for at least a decade, will most likely retire holding every single conceivable passing record in team history (in significantly fewer games than Aikman or Romo played to get there), is on pace to play his entire career never finishing below .500 in a season and will have won 4+ division titles. And that's IF he only plays one more year here, which is unlikely since he's going to be extended and even if MM leaves no new coach is gonna come in and be like "yeah let's get rid of this pro bowl caliber QB right in the middle of his prime years". These people realize that if Dak ever wins even just one Super Bowl, he's going to be in the hall of fame? You do all realize this, correct? Hell with the numbers he'd finish with in that scenario he's likely a first ballot hall of famer based on past QB precedent.

Dak Prescott is one of the greatest draft steals of all time even if he never played another down here. The front office should never receive anything other than praise for his selection. Hes already accomplished more than the vast majority of first round QBs that have ever been selected and ever will be selected.

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This is mostly all true. But that doesnt mean we need to extend his contract or make him paid like a top 5 QB with a new contract.

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But he is a top 5 QB right now

mavsfan4ever said:

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If Dak is first ballot hall of fame with 1 Super Bowl win, then there are 10-12 other QBs from this era that are also first ballot hall of fame. So if it's true, it's true for tons of guys.

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DannyDuberstein said:

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Regular season warrior. Playoff choker. Basically admitted it in his press conference, which is scary. Not just is he a choker, he knows he's a choker. Basically purgatory at this point. Moving on most likely means goodbye playoffs. Not moving on most likely means playoff chokes.

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Excusing for a moment that we continue to ignore the games in the postseason in which he played well, including arguably the best game of his career, this isn't even a choice. You continue to make the playoffs as often as you can. In the salary cap era winning a title in single elimination format amounts to making the postseason year after year until you catch lightening in a bottle or get lucky, barring the one or two transcendent QBs in a given generation like Mahomes or Brady.

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Infection_Ag11 said:

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The weird revisionist hindsight with respect to Prescott within this fanbase right now is really something to behold.

The Cowboys drafted a QB in the 4th round who is going to end up being their full time starter for at least a decade, will most likely retire holding every single conceivable passing record in team history (in significantly fewer games than Aikman or Romo played to get there), is on pace to play his entire career never finishing below .500 in a season and will have won 4+ division titles. And that's IF he only plays one more year here, which is unlikely since he's going to be extended and even if MM leaves no new coach is gonna come in and be like "yeah let's get rid of this pro bowl caliber QB right in the middle of his prime years". These people realize that if Dak ever wins even just one Super Bowl, he's going to be in the hall of fame? You do all realize this, correct? Hell with the numbers he'd finish with in that scenario he's likely a first ballot hall of famer based on past QB precedent.

Dak Prescott is one of the greatest draft steals of all time even if he never played another down here. The front office should never receive anything other than praise for his selection. Hes already accomplished more than the vast majority of first round QBs that have ever been selected and ever will be selected.

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This is mostly all true. But that doesnt mean we need to extend his contract or make him paid like a top 5 QB with a new contract.

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A) As InfectionAg pointed out he is top 5.

B) What's the other option?

QBs are remembered for winning it all. I know this by heart bc I was a Miami/Marino fan when I was younger.

While Marino was great him never winning it all makes him below Elway and Montana. It drove me nuts back then bc I could never win a debate.

Marino would trade his stat records for a SB easily.

Dak is not top 5 right now. Top 5 do not choke like he did last week.

Top 5? I don't think so. Top 10? Yea

Better->
Allen, Mahomes, Purdy, Lamar, Rodgers
Arguably better ->
Stafford, Hurts, Lawrence, Herbert

Dang…Cee Dee Lambs mother is going off on Dak on social media. Saying he isn't it and she wishes her son was on the Texans.

Edit: this doesn't appear to be reported anywhere legit so it may be a fake profile posting as her.

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Dang…Cee Dee Lambs mother is going off on Dak on social media. Saying he isn't it and she wishes her son was on the Texans.

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supposedly Micah's brother is posting stuff too.

If they are going to win with Dak they need to draft the OT from Duke, put him at LG, the C from Georgia, find a starting MLB and a RB.

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ChoppinDs40 said:

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Top 5? I don't think so. Top 10? Yea

Better->
Allen, Mahomes, Purdy, Lamar, Rodgers
Arguably better ->
Stafford, Hurts, Lawrence, Herbert

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Stafford and Herbert are for sure better than Dak. CJ Stroud and Jordan Love are now as well because one just beat him and the other just led the Texans to a playoff win as a rookie. Burrow is also better. I think Dak is barely a top 10 QB anymore.

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Yup I forgot burrow.

Hard to say on Love and Stroud but they are certainly trending up

Dak's been a really good QB for a long time.

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ChoppinDs40 said:

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Top 5? I don't think so. Top 10? Yea

Better->
Allen, Mahomes, Purdy, Lamar, Rodgers
Arguably better ->
Stafford, Hurts, Lawrence, Herbert

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Stafford and Herbert are for sure better than Dak. CJ Stroud and Jordan Love are now as well because one just beat him and the other just led the Texans to a playoff win as a rookie. Burrow is also better. I think Dak is barely a top 10 QB anymore.

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IDK on Stafford. He's old. Herbert is a real funny one. This is a guy that if you drew up the prototypical QB in a lab, Herbert might be what is spit out, but the guy has won NOTHING and if you really go back and look, has some really critical mistakes. So are we talking about QBs that are more talented than Dak or are better players beccuase right now, Herbert is not a better player.

I don't think it's fair to say Love and Stroud are better right now.

I would take Love and Stroud over Dak tomorrow. Both better athletes with better arms. Love provides you with wow plays and more upside, wild stroud is going to provide you with more precision and efficiency. They've both done more with less so far. I understand that Dak has played longer than them, but I would take both going forward.

ETA: the only reason I wouldn't take Stafford over Dak right now is his age, however, Stafford still is a better thrower of the football than Dak.

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this franchise is such a clown show

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Too many guys worried about their brand.

It's the culture.

Tksymm7 said:

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I would take Love and Stroud over Dak tomorrow. Both better athletes with better arms. Love provides you with wow plays and more upside, wild stroud is going to provide you with more precision and efficiency. They've both done more with less so far. I understand that Dak has played longer than them, but I would take both going forward.

ETA: the only reason I wouldn't take Stafford over Dak right now is his age, however, Stafford still is a better thrower of the football than Dak.

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I don't disagree w what your saying but the Dak vs Love/Stroud issue is the same as Dak v Stafford. I would take those guys over Dak, too, because Dak is north of 30 years old.

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ChoppinDs40 said:

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Top 5? I don't think so. Top 10? Yea

Better->
Allen, Mahomes, Purdy, Lamar, Rodgers
Arguably better ->
Stafford, Hurts, Lawrence, Herbert

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I'm not a Dak fan but no way Hurts, Lawrence, and Herbert, are better than him.

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agree

ChoppinDs40 said:

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Top 5? I don't think so. Top 10? Yea

Better->
Allen, Mahomes, Purdy, Lamar, Rodgers
Arguably better ->
Stafford, Hurts, Lawrence, Herbert

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In what world is Hurts, Herbert, Lawrence and Stafford better? Herbert and Lawrence may be the 2 most overrated QBs of our generation. Never seen 2 qbs get away with so much mediocre to bad QB play.

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ChoppinDs40 said:

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Top 5? I don't think so. Top 10? Yea

Better->
Allen, Mahomes, Purdy, Lamar, Rodgers
Arguably better ->
Stafford, Hurts, Lawrence, Herbert

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In what world is Hurts, Herbert, Lawrence and Stafford better? Herbert and Lawrence may be the 2 most overrated QBs of our generation. Never seen 2 qbs get away with so much mediocre to bad QB play.

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Yeah I agree.

Herbert might be the most hyped QB going that have not won a single thing. He looks fantastic but where is the substance?

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mavsfan4ever said:

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If Dak is first ballot hall of fame with 1 Super Bowl win, then there are 10-12 other QBs from this era that are also first ballot hall of fame. So if it's true, it's true for tons of guys.

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lol ok just bc I'm bored.

All of these qbs are just as good or better than Dak and therefore according to you would be first ballot hall of fame if they had a Super Bowl win. I just don't think that's the case bc there is no way there are that many first ballot QBs, or hall of fame QBs in general, from the same era/decade. Some of these are young but are tending well.

Super Bowl winners: Brady, Mahomes, Rodgers, Big Ben, Stafford, Bree's, Russ, Eli (he's bad but he will probably make hall of fame)

Non Super Bowl winners who have done as much or more than Dak (or are tending that way): rivers, burrow, Josh Allen, lamaar, Herbert, Trevor Lawrence, goff, andrew luck, Jordan love, stroud, Kirk cousins, hurts, purdy

Maybe Dak becomes first ballot if he wins a Super Bowl. Thats a big IF bc like I said he has the literal worst playoff win percentage in the history of the nfl. But if he does, it seems like most of the others listed above should too (unless we are just saying Dak gets it bc he's the cowboys qb).

Russ is not a hall of famer nor is Eli

Big Ben should not get in for his rape

Only first ballot HOF is Brady
The rest should wait

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mavsfan4ever said:

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If Dak is first ballot hall of fame with 1 Super Bowl win, then there are 10-12 other QBs from this era that are also first ballot hall of fame. So if it's true, it's true for tons of guys.

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lol ok just bc I'm bored.

All of these qbs are just as good or better than Dak and therefore according to you would be first ballot hall of fame if they had a Super Bowl win. I just don't think that's the case bc there is no way there are that many first ballot QBs, or hall of fame QBs in general, from the same era/decade. Some of these are young but are tending well.

Super Bowl winners: Brady, Mahomes, Rodgers, Big Ben, Stafford, Bree's, Russ, Eli (he's bad but he will probably make hall of fame)

Non Super Bowl winners who have done as much or more than Dak (or are tending that way): rivers, burrow, Josh Allen, lamaar, Herbert, Trevor Lawrence, goff, andrew luck, Jordan love, stroud, Kirk cousins, hurts, purdy

Maybe Dak becomes first ballot if he wins a Super Bowl. Thats a big IF bc like I said he has the literal worst playoff win percentage in the history of the nfl. But if he does, it seems like most of the others listed above should too (unless we are just saying Dak gets it bc he's the cowboys qb).

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So your "10-12" is actually 8, 4 of which are a huge stretch to put Dak in the same "generation" with, and literally nobody disputes that any of them will be in the HOF. And Dak has a higher career QBR than most of them.

So you don't have any point at all is what I'm hearing. Again, if Dak wins a SB he's going to be in the HOF. And it will forever be the most awkward point of conversation for the Cowboys fans who have a SEETHING hatred for him.

I have Dak actually pretty similar to Romo that way.
If Romo had won 1 super bowl he's 1st ballot too

If any of the doom and gloom cap folks want their fears alleviated, Jeff Cavanaugh had a good live stream this afternoon breaking down how you could free up almost $60 million in spending money this offseason and that includes NOT extending Dak AND resigning Lamb (the latter of which actually saves you money in year one).

I posted something similar a while back but long story short if you want to go all in this year Dallas can be incredibly aggressive in FA if they choose to be.

They need a new DC and quite a bit of personnel on that side of the ball.

Tksymm7 said:

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They need a new DC and quite a bit of personnel on that side of the ball.

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The FA DT and LB classes are strong this year

Never said Dak wouldn't be in the hall of fame if he won a Super Bowl. Said that I'm not sure if he'd be a first ballot, and if he is, then many other QBs would be first balllot if they won a Super Bowl as well. You said to list them and I did. Sure, some of those may be in the hall of fame no matter what but they were included in the 10-12 first ballot number I threw out (and I named 13 not 8). So I stand by my statement that there are 10-12 guys who would be first ballot hall of fsmers with a Super Bowl win (if Dak would be with a Super Bowl win). My point is that there are tons of QBs with similar resumes to Dak. So saying he would be halll of fame if he wins a Super Bowl doesn't mean much. So would tons of other guys.

I don't care enough to argue the point further though. I just responded bc I was killing time and it was kinda interesting to come up with a list. He hasn't come close to winning a Super Bowl and has the worst playoff winning percentage of all time. So a Super Bowl or first ballot discussion seeems like a waste of time.

Baltimore…..

A D with a front four and LBs that gets sacks AND stops the run…….

What a novel concept

Jackson and Stroud have both made horrible throws so far that will never be thought about again that Dak would have ESPN segments done on for years.