*******Official 2023 Dallas Cowboys Season Thread*******

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Steele is worth waiting on, the 2nd year jump after ACL injuries is well documented. And remember he tore his at the VERY end of last season, so he's just now about 13 months out.

Gallup unfortunately has not seen that jump this year and is probably done as an nfl receiver.
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Infection_Ag11 said:

Steele is worth waiting on, the 2nd year jump after ACL injuries is well documented. And remember he tore his at the VERY end of last season, so he's just now about 13 months out.

Gallup unfortunately has not seen that jump this year and is probably done as an nfl receiver.
Gallup is looking like a bust similar to Jaylon smith.
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Grapesoda2525 said:

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The weak link at OL is Steele and we are stuck with him for another year or two after giving him a big ass new contract. He was the lowest PFF graded starting OT in the NFL from what I read.
Wish we could jettison Gallup and Steele. We like our homegrown players too damn much.


Gallup will be a post June 1 release for sure
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Infection_Ag11 said:

Steele is worth waiting on, the 2nd year jump after ACL injuries is well documented. And remember he tore his at the VERY end of last season, so he's just now about 13 months out.

Gallup unfortunately has not seen that jump this year and is probably done as an nfl receiver.


Very true. I think Steele has looked better the last month or so.
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Fyi on Gallup, it costs about the same to keep him as it does to cut him. Sometimes it's better to just rip the band aide off, but don't be surprised if they give it one more year.

But I agree, he's probably washed and was definteky a very bad contract for us!
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OL, DL and LB have to be our three biggest needs going into this offseason and next year. Smith and Martin could retire tomorrow and we'd be up ****s creek without a paddle. On top of that, Martin has finally taken a step back imo. Still a good guard, but not the best anymore, and there's likely 2/3/4 better in the league at this time (he's not bad though). Biadasz is also a pretty middle of the pack center who's contract is up soon.

On Steele, I would be curious to see what they would do with him if the Cowboys were able to get a more prototypical tackle in the draft or even in free agency. Steele's biggest limitation is that he's just not as athletic as your typical tackle (even though he has the size), and he hasn't been since day one. However, he's a really good run blocker with a good attitude for finishing blocks. Say Martin hangs it up this offseason and they go out and draft a more prototypical athletic tackle in the late first or early in the second. Would Steele make more sense moving into guard and asking him to be a giant road grader?

I think you have to, have to, have to address OL early in the draft again this year, and the good news is that this draft looks really good and I could see teams really talking themselves into a QB, WR, TE, CB etc., so good lineman could fall to us.
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I think Biadasz being a very middle of the road starter is great for us. The perfect guy to re-sign for a reasonable contract and move along to bigger fish.

But if we win the super bowl, all of our "average" free agents will be elevated and they will get overpaid by another team. Obviously, I'll take that trade all day.
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Tksymm7 said:

OL, DL and LB have to be our three biggest needs going into this offseason and next year. Smith and Martin could retire tomorrow and we'd be up ****s creek without a paddle. On top of that, Martin has finally taken a step back imo. Still a good guard, but not the best anymore, and there's likely 2/3/4 better in the league at this time (he's not bad though). Biadasz is also a pretty middle of the pack center who's contract is up soon.

On Steele, I would be curious to see what they would do with him if the Cowboys were able to get a more prototypical tackle in the draft or even in free agency. Steele's biggest limitation is that he's just not as athletic as your typical tackle (even though he has the size), and he hasn't been since day one. However, he's a really good run blocker with a good attitude for finishing blocks. Say Martin hangs it up this offseason and they go out and draft a more prototypical athletic tackle in the late first or early in the second. Would Steele make more sense moving into guard and asking him to be a giant road grader?

I think you have to, have to, have to address OL early in the draft again this year, and the good news is that this draft looks really good and I could see teams really talking themselves into a QB, WR, TE, CB etc., so good lineman could fall to us.

Agree completely with your draft needs.

I heard Sturm talking yesterday and he mentioned that going back and watching last week, Bass and Hoffman apparently were really good. Obviously, that's a small sample size but I do think they have found a good piece in Bass. Hoffman hasn't gotten as much run but looks like he will at least be some depth.

I would also add RB to that list of needs.
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I should've added that as long as Biadasz doesn't want crazy money, I would probably resign him to a four-ish year deal but with the ability to get out of it after two. I would love to upgrade over him, but he's far down the list of issues or potential issues with the o-line.
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I feel pretty good about our O-line now and going forward... but we definitely gotta keep drafting them early and often. If we do have Tyron/Martin retire, we may have guys that we've developed who fill those gaps, but now we have ZERO depth.

But yeah, we gotta find a stud LB asap! If we can get another LVE (the pre-injury rookie version) and pair him with Clark and Overshown, we could go from rags to riches at LB in a hurry!
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jr15aggie said:

I feel pretty good about our O-line now and going forward... but we definitely gotta keep drafting them early and often. If we do have Tyron/Martin retire, we may have guys that we've developed who fill those gaps, but now we have ZERO depth.

But yeah, we gotta find a stud LB asap! If we can get another LVE (the pre-injury rookie version) and pair him with Clark and Overshown, we could go from rags to riches at LB in a hurry!

I would draft an interior OL this year and try to milk one more year out of Tyron. He's been really really good and he played in 12 games this year.

I agree on LBer. Our only real weakness on this defense is up the middle. We have to figure out DT and LBer. I think Overshown will be good, but he's not exactly a middle LBer. I feel like we need a thumper in the middle. The problem is that I don't think that guy is in this draft. maybe J. Ford out of tu. Payton Wilson out of NC State looks kind like an LVE clone which wouldn't be bad.

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I think Overshown will be good, but he's not exactly a middle LBer.

I agree, but he would have been Markquese Bell with more size and physicality. Overshown met a RB in the hole on 3rd and 1 (pre-season game) and dead ass dropped them at the point of contact. Boom, no gain, time to punt! Bell could not fill the running lanes like that and we saw so many 1 yard runs turn into 3-4.

Props to Bell for stepping up for the team, but I think Overshown would have had a big rookie season for us. I just hope he makes a full recovery, fingers crossed.
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Chance of sleet/ snow/ freezing rain Sunday. Hope it holds off so it doesn't affect game attendance.
Macarthur
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Pete Carroll out. Bet they go hard after DQ.
Vince Blake
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Yeah Schefter is already saying they're interested in him. I have seen the Panthers, Commanders, Chargers, and now Seahawks all apparently interested.
Macarthur
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Yeah, we probably lose him, but I do think most teams will want to go with an offensive coach. That's the trend now in the league.
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Jerry should pay Quinn the same salary as McCarthy.
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Lotta love being given to the Browns going into the playoffs. I mean, I guess. On one hand they beat SF and Baltimore which I doubt any other team can claim this year. But they either lost or looked pretty pedestrian against several middle of the road or worse teams.

Same thing for LA... they had a helluva run to end the season so I get the hype. But forgive me for not being impressed with a bunch of 1 score victories over Wash, NO, & NY Giants.


For me, I'm still looking at 4 teams only... Dallas, SF, Baltimore, Buffalo. All 4 have had some stinker games this year, but all 4 have also spent a good portion of the season kicking the crap out of other teams. I'll be shocked if we don't see 3 of these teams in the Conference finals and it's likely we see all 4.
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gigem1223 said:

Chance of sleet/ snow/ freezing rain Sunday. Hope it holds off so it doesn't affect game attendance.
Hoping it hits Monday or Tuesday. I always root for one snow event per year.
Vince Blake
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Hopefully holds off till Tuesday. Got my kid Mavs tickets for the game on Monday for his birthday. One of the few games of the season thats at a kid friendly time.
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jr15aggie said:

Lotta love being given to the Browns going into the playoffs. I mean, I guess. On one hand they beat SF and Baltimore which I doubt any other team can claim this year. But they either lost or looked pretty pedestrian against several middle of the road or worse teams.

Same thing for LA... they had a helluva run to end the season so I get the hype. But forgive me for not being impressed with a bunch of 1 score victories over Wash, NO, & NY Giants.


For me, I'm still looking at 4 teams only... Dallas, SF, Baltimore, Buffalo. All 4 have had some stinker games this year, but all 4 have also spent a good portion of the season kicking the crap out of other teams. I'll be shocked if we don't see 3 of these teams in the Conference finals and it's likely we see all 4.

I agree with 3 of your final 4, but not sure about BUF. I've watched a lot of their games this year (our daughter lives in Rochester) and I just don't see them going that deep. Josh Allen appears to have regressed a bit, and he's turning the ball over more (TDs are down, INTs are up). Wouldn't mind seeing them get to the AFC champ game, I'm just not sold on it.
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Yeah I know... can't trust 'em. But, if I'm not mistaken, all of their losses have been 1 score games. Pretty sure the same can be said about Baltimore.

Cowboys and 49'ers, in comparions, have both gotten spanked a couple times this year. I'll be "worried" about every playoff game this year, but I'm not affraid to play anyone....... that being said, I'm glad we won't have to see Balt/Buff until possibly the Super Bowl!
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Grapesoda2525 said:

gigem1223 said:

Chance of sleet/ snow/ freezing rain Sunday. Hope it holds off so it doesn't affect game attendance.
Hoping it hits Monday or Tuesday. I always root for one snow event per year.


Sunday morning right now is showing ice. If that holds then it's definitely going to affect the crowd turnout. I'll be there either way.
Danny Vermin
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I thought that crap wasn't coming until Sunday night. Did they move it up?
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Josh Allen is also an electric factory. Closest thing to Favre we've seen. Last Sunday nights game is a perfect example. Turn it over two or three times, but also go 30-38 and 350+, with as clutch of plays as you can possibly make running and throwing.
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Danny Vermin said:

I thought that crap wasn't coming until Sunday night. Did they move it up?


I don't think they really know yet. The fox WAPP says Sunday AM ice, others say Sunday night. Hope it holds till sunday night.
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gigem1223 said:

Danny Vermin said:

I thought that crap wasn't coming until Sunday night. Did they move it up?


I don't think they really know yet. The fox WAPP says Sunday AM ice, others say Sunday night. Hope it holds till sunday night.


I'm not seeing anything at all anymore when it comes to wintry precip
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I agree we need OL, DL, and LB in the draft, and I think you're right that Steele would get moved to RG if Martin were to retire at the end of the season.

I'd say we absolutely must fill the LBer role this offseason with someone that can play. I'd love that to be a rookie, but at this point sign anyone that can fill that role at a decently high level. I was excited when the cowboys opened up last game with Parsons playing MLB. Like, "holy **** they did it!" But then he went right back to DE. Best case scenario would be him moving back there in the offseason (if he can) and them situational pass rushing him from all over.

Then grab Sweat or someone similar in the draft and I like our chances of either him or Mazi filling that role, if not both.

Draft an offensive lineman anywhere in the 1st 3 rounds if you feel good about them and there isn't a good LB/DT option or those positions were addressed in FA.
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I think you're pretty spot on here. I too would love for our next LBer to be someone from the draft, and they very well might be with how I think the first round will play out (no LBers projected in the first pushing more back), but on top of that I'd go out and sign at least one solid free agent.

Parsons playing off ball LBer more would be huge too. It's his best position for affecting the run game, because let's be honest, he gets picked on a little bit when he's at DE when they run the ball right at him. Currently PFF has Graham Barton (Duke) with the Cowboys at the end of the first.
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Here's a thought regarding Micah.... Why don't we see if Chicago wants him for the #1 overall pick this offseason (heck, you might even be able to get more than that)???

I have two thoughts on this:

#1 Micah is NEVER going to reach his full potential if the referee's refuse to call holding against him. He should have had 20+ sacks this year or 10+ holding calls, but neither happened because they are cheating him!

#2 I'm sure we can find a way to pay Dak, CD, & Micah, but at what cost to the rest of our roster? All 3 are set to become the highest paid at their position. If we cannot realistically keep all 3, do NOT simply let one of them walk away in free agency with zero compensation.


Fire away with the "jr15, you've lost your gosh darn mind" comments! I can take it!
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jr15 you've lost your gosh darn mind. Micah is untouchable, in my opinion. I'd part ways with Dak before I saw Parsons leave.
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I wouldn't do it, but it's an interesting thought experiment.

What if you could get their #1 and #9 and you give them #30?

QBs command multiple #1 picks. I Think Parsons is on that level.

You could also trade down a couple of picks and get another top pick. Take Alt and you've got your LT for a decade and then grab a top DT. Then you would have the picks you got for trading down a bit. You could conceivably turn Parsons into 4 premium picks.
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I'd Hershel Walker trade anyone, but the offer for Parsons would have to be ridiculous. Also, you usually see crap teams trading their All pro players in other leagues. Contenders don't, and we're contenders
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I do not disagree AT ALL! This is exactly my thinking... If he plays DE and they allow him to be held like this, then whats the point? Play him at MLB and spot rush him. Dorance Armstrong is a REAL dude. Lawerence is getting long in tooth, but he's a real dude. Osa is good. Sam Williams may come into his own. We don't really need Parsons rushing the QB every play.

Right now, assuming we are going to pay Dak the max or close to it, then Diggs, Bland, Dak, and CD are must haves and we probably don't have room for Parsons at a #1 DE's salary cap figure. Can we trade him for draft capital or can we transition him back to MLB and him be a difference maker there.
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Chicago wouldn't do this because they really want a QB I think. But mayeb we could we package it like:

Redskins get the #1 pick
Chicago gets redskins #2 pick & Parsons
Dallas gets #9 pick, Chicago's #1 pick in 2025 and their 2nd rounders in 24 & 25 and the Redskins 2nd round pick.

With that 9 pick we could draft Alt or Fashanu at T if they are there or a DE like Chop Robinson, Jared Verse?

PFF Mock Draft could look like this for the boys:

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