BenFiasco14 said:

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So much for ranks. So much for stats. So much for All-Pros. So much for point spread. THE COWBOYS WERE GUTLESS, HEARTLESS, LEADERLESS FRAUDS WITH A QB AND HEAD COACH WHO COULDN'T BE TRUSTED WHEN IT MATTERED.

— Skip Bayless (@RealSkipBayless) January 15, 2024

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one of the very few times i agree with his 'skip shots"

zgolfz85 said:

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FightinFarrier18 said:

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If/when the cowboys fit McCarthy, which HC would be the top candidate? My list would be:
1) Vrabel
2) Ben Johnson
3) Harbaugh
4) Belichek

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Give me vrabel or harbaugh

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Vrabel with this years roster makes the NFCCG at a minimum

What will happen this offseason:

They'll fire MM
They'll re-sign Dak to drop his cap number
They'll re-sign Ceedee
They'll cut Gallup and possibly Lawrence
They'll try to resign Gilmore and Tyron to robust but friendly vet deals
They'll let Pollard walk

Id put Harbaugh at the top of the list, then Vrabel, then Ben Johnson.

Unless you have a Mahomes/Brady type the reality is the NFL in the cap era is about making the playoffs as often as you can and waiting for the year when everything falls your way. If you look at most of the SB champs in the last 30 years, you'll find it is mostly trans quarterbacked by all time greats or teams that has a good/great year and had a lot of luck in the playoffs. Getting to play backup QBs, freak weather games that neutered superior teams, crazy bounces that let them win games they otherwise would have lost, etc.

Single elimination playoff formats in leagues with so little difference between teams involves so much luck that you just have to keep knocking on the door again and again and again. Like it or not. Your other option is to find on of the 1-2 transcend QBs per generation.

Remember, Dan Marino, Peyton Manning, Steve Young and Brett Favre won a COMBINED three titles across 30 years with their original franchises.

If they are gonna go the big name route I'd rather them take Harbaugh. Won't happen though.

This team isn't getting over the hump with Jerry and Stephen running things. They are Bob and Cal McNair. The organization needs fresh ideas and direction from the top and Stephen is absolutely as much a problem as his Dad.

Grrrrrr

Infection_Ag11 said:

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What will happen this offseason:

They'll fire MM
They'll re-sign Dak to drop his cap number
They'll re-sign Ceedee
They'll cut Gallup and possibly Lawrence
They'll try to resign Gilmore and Tyron to robust but friendly vet deals
They'll let Pollard walk

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With Diggs coming back, I don't think you sign Gilmore. And I think you might let Tyron walk and try to keep Lawrence. This defense without him takes a step back. He's so under appreciated.

Agree on pollard. Agree on Gallup. Agree on all the rest.

ramblin_ag02 said:

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I disagree. The cap era is about boom and bust. Look at the 49ers, lions, Eagles or even the Texans. Ride the wave up, blow up the team, and start over. The HOF QBs like Mahomes and Brady are the exceptions. Every other teams shines and then collapses, and the well run teams rise from the ashes. Problem is that Dak is not a HOF Qb, and Jerry will never tank

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But most teams that ride the wave up never actually win a title. And the ones that do often sit in place for years before breaking through.

And no GM ever willingly tanks unless they are taking over at the start of a rebuild. No GM has EVER traded or cut a QB of Dak's caliber at this stage of their career absent significant non-football related factors, like Watson or Rodgers. The closest case is the Lions with Stafford, and he wasn't at the peak of his Lion's tenure AND they got a king's ransom for him.

Ultimately the most needed change that is attainable in the near future is adjusting the manner in which this team approaches football games and how they are designed to win them. Right now Dallas is built to snowball teams by jumping on them early and then blowing them out. And they are good at it because they blow out more teams than anyone, including some playoff caliber teams over the last several years. But when that doesn't happen they struggle because the defense in particular isn't build to win games of attrition. And in a playoff format it's a real roll of the dice.

I think at this point you have to sacrifice some playmaking ability and flash on defense for a unit with players more capable of winning more traditional football games.

Orlando Ayala Cant Read said:

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If they are gonna go the big name route I'd rather them take Harbaugh. Won't happen though.

This team isn't getting over the hump with Jerry and Stephen running things. They are Bob and Cal McNair. The organization needs fresh ideas and direction from the top and Stephen is absolutely as much a problem as his Dad.

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So Jerry is dead.

And Stephen has a cult like brain washing VP controlling him.

Interesting, I did not know this.

We'll do you also know what made Cal fire Easterby and let his GM turn things around and hire Meco.

Former player Andre Johnson had a talk with Cal and everything changed.

So what former Cowboy could talk with Jerry since he's not actually dead like Bob McNair and maybe push him in the right direction.

The glaring issue with this team is actually the run defense. And the issue is they wasted a 1st rounder in a failed attempt to fix it. When they lose, it's been because the other team dictated and controlled the game on the ground. If they can fix it, a lot changes.

After watching that game, I'd be in favor of a rebuild. I'd rather be an "up and coming" team who gets excited about the draft every year than a team who gets prison raped in the playoffs by a team who nearly lost as many games as they won.

DannyDuberstein said:

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The glaring issue with this team is actually the run defense. And the issue is they wasted a 1st rounder in a failed attempt to fix it. When they lose, it's been because the other team dictated and controlled the game on the ground. If they can fix it, a lot changes.

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The Packers were averaging 3.4 yards per attempt at the point in which they went up 27-0. Anyone claiming this game had anything to do with their run defense is a moron.

Infection_Ag11 said:

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DannyDuberstein said:

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The glaring issue with this team is actually the run defense. And the issue is they wasted a 1st rounder in a failed attempt to fix it. When they lose, it's been because the other team dictated and controlled the game on the ground. If they can fix it, a lot changes.

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The Packers were averaging 3.4 yards per attempt at the point in which they went up 27-0. Anyone claiming this game had anything to do with their run defense is a moron.

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I counted 3 Packers punts. If the Cowboys are supposed to have an elite defense, then they should not have allowed Green Bay to drive up and down the field, especially in the first half.

The fact that the old Aggie hater, skip Sayless is wetting himself over the Cowboys loss makes it all the better. Cowboy fans, you know you are going to have to pry Jerry's cold dead hands off the reigns of the cowboys. Just Keep yourself warm with those 5 championships from the 20th century and as the world turns, wait till next year!

Infection_Ag11 said:

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DannyDuberstein said:

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The glaring issue with this team is actually the run defense. And the issue is they wasted a 1st rounder in a failed attempt to fix it. When they lose, it's been because the other team dictated and controlled the game on the ground. If they can fix it, a lot changes.

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The Packers were averaging 3.4 yards per attempt at the point in which they went up 27-0. Anyone claiming this game had anything to do with their run defense is a moron.

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There are a ton of reasons why they lost. But they were a run sieve in the redzone, which in today's game is when ability to run (or stop the run) still matters a great deal even though those may not translate to big box score red flags. And they ran well enough to have them stepping on their dicks on play action fakes. So yeah, it was one of the reasons. One of many.

I agree, but I don't think CD had the best of games. Ferguson is a bad ass though.

On defense, I thought they were committed to stopping the run early. DLaw blew up that olineman early right into the face of the RB. They were only getting 2-3 yards a carry, but they were running play action off of that and Jordan Love was finding dudes sitting in holes in the zone. Two things on that: 1. WTF were we playing so much zone for? 2. How about Jordan Love... What a change from the 1st game to the last.

As the game wore on they started ripping us in the run game too. It didn't matter at that point, the defense was on ice skates and the offense wasn't doing anything to spark anything.

We lack the ability to take a ass whipping and get back up. There's no punch back from the offense when an opposing team gets out to a quick start. We just fold up and go home.

Infection_Ag11 said:

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ramblin_ag02 said:

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I disagree. The cap era is about boom and bust. Look at the 49ers, lions, Eagles or even the Texans. Ride the wave up, blow up the team, and start over. The HOF QBs like Mahomes and Brady are the exceptions. Every other teams shines and then collapses, and the well run teams rise from the ashes. Problem is that Dak is not a HOF Qb, and Jerry will never tank

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But most teams that ride the wave up never actually win a title. And the ones that do often sit in place for years before breaking through.

And no GM ever willingly tanks unless they are taking over at the start of a rebuild. No GM has EVER traded or cut a QB of Dak's caliber at this stage of their career absent significant non-football related factors, like Watson or Rodgers. The closest case is the Lions with Stafford, and he wasn't at the peak of his Lion's tenure AND they got a king's ransom for him.

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you're vastly over crediting Dak and what the league thinks of him. He's average at best and his career has shown that.

I do think Jordan Love deserves massive credit. He looks like the truth, and he and LaFleur absolutely panted Dan Quinn, and probably took him off a few lists to call for HC gigs.

He was fantastic. Kid is legit.

With the success of Dan Campbell, I guarantee you that Jerry will push to interview Witten.

It's almost 0900 and no one has been fired yet

AgBQ-00 said:

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To be honest, I would not be upset to see McCarthy, Quinn and all of them cut loose and start over.

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I think you have to, right? I mean how do you run things back with McCarthy? Zero anticipation or excitement for next season.

MM and Dak deserve a couple more years to get this going.

The free agent coaching pool will never be as good as it is the upcoming off-season. If they Cowboys don't make a change now, then...LMAO.

Macarthur said:

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I'm still trying to process what happened yesterday. I still just can't wrap my head around just how inept that thing was.

How do you go into the offseason with the plan to just tweak a few things? I mean Jerry has to clean house, right?

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I think so. We did some bad cap stuff recently that is going to catch up to us. And that's fine because we were trying to win it all.

But this team is done. You don't bounce back from a playoff ass beating like that without doing a major shakeup. And with our cap situation, any big changes puts us into rebuild mode.

But don't yall worry... Jerry is 81 and is too old to give up. He might fire coaches, but he's going to roll out there with 90% of the same guys next year and expect different results.