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So with all the offseason moves what do they focus on in the draft? Im guessing a pure DT, OL (probably IOL) and db? Maybe a LB?
DT is the number one need BY FAR. They can probably add a player in the second who can start, and knowing Nick, it wouldn't be a shocker if he moved up a little to get a player they really like.Harry Stone said:
So with all the offseason moves what do they focus on in the draft? Im guessing a pure DT, OL (probably IOL) and db? Maybe a LB?
Biggest need after DT is safety. Pitre and Ward are ok on paper, but Pitre took a step back last year and Ward is old and injury prone. Not much behind them. Drafting a safety early gives them a chance to groom somebody behind Ward and provide depth.
Draft party is going to be weird if they trade both the second rounders to get back into the first.
I'd be surprised if they did that. A 2nd, 4th, 5th, or 6th maybe since we have duplicates. But there's usually great options in rounds 2 & 3 and we have 3 picks there at the moment.ds00 said:
Draft party is going to be weird if they trade both the second rounders to get back into the first.
I feel like CB is still our biggest need. We added a bunch of guys there, but nobody I'd be super jazzed about to throw out there as our #2. I'd put that on par with DT, and then S, and then LB. At least at safety you have two guys who have shown they can be starting caliber even if they do have some injury/consistency concerns. At DT/CB, I think we could still use a guy that can start right away because our current guys might not cut it.
DL is a huge need
They don't have one starting caliber DT on the roster.
They don't have one starting caliber DT on the roster.
I thought of comparing to the Astros but there's one key difference….the owners. The Astros had a new owner who inherited garbage. The farm was terrible and the major league club was marginally worse. The suck for draft capital strategy was forced upon him but I think it ate Crane up to do that. Basically I feel a lot more confident the Astros won't go that path again.AgLA06 said:To be fair. The Texans hadn't really pulled it off until now either. Lord knows there's been some really bad ball at times since the first season. Most of us just hope for an average season with an outside chance at the playoffs most years.MaxPower said:
Is any of it incorrect?
Regardless of exactly how they got to the position they got to, they had to suck several years in a row, get high draft picks and hit on a QB. None of that is "new". It's a strategy that's existed since the draft began 60 years ago. Some teams just manage to repeatedly screw it up (see Browns).
What Caserio has done is uncharted waters for this franchise to date. It reminds me a lot of the Astros in the mid 2010s. And it's exciting as hell!
oddly enough the Texans got a new principal owner last week…MaxPower said:I thought of comparing to the Astros but there's one key difference….the owners. The Astros had a new owner who inherited garbage. The farm was terrible and the major league club was marginally worse. The suck for draft capital strategy was forced upon him but I think it ate Crane up to do that. Basically I feel a lot more confident the Astros won't go that path again.AgLA06 said:To be fair. The Texans hadn't really pulled it off until now either. Lord knows there's been some really bad ball at times since the first season. Most of us just hope for an average season with an outside chance at the playoffs most years.MaxPower said:
Is any of it incorrect?
Regardless of exactly how they got to the position they got to, they had to suck several years in a row, get high draft picks and hit on a QB. None of that is "new". It's a strategy that's existed since the draft began 60 years ago. Some teams just manage to repeatedly screw it up (see Browns).
What Caserio has done is uncharted waters for this franchise to date. It reminds me a lot of the Astros in the mid 2010s. And it's exciting as hell!
Ag_07 said:
DL is a huge need
They don't have one starting caliber DT on the roster.
Autry and the NT from Jax (he started for them last year).
And Mario Edwards and Tim Settle behind them. I think DT is similar to CB where we have a bunch of dudes but maybe not someone you'll feel awesome about.
TheNotoriousP.I.P. said:
And Mario Edwards and Tim Settle behind them. I think DT is similar to CB where we have a bunch of dudes but maybe not someone you'll feel awesome about.
Did you mean safety, since at corner we have a top 5 player in the league at the position?
I assumed y'all could deduce that Stingley was not included as part of that assessment, but fair enough I could've made that clearer
Texans just restructured to make it a 1-year deal for Diggs. High risk high reward.
Texan_Aggie said:
Texans just restructured to make it a 1-year deal for Diggs. High risk high reward.
Good call for those on here that said this would be what the Texans would do, I thought they would have restructured it and have him here for at least 2 years.
Yup, got to see if he is really still able to play at a high level or if he was on the declineMelvinUdall said:Texan_Aggie said:
Texans just restructured to make it a 1-year deal for Diggs. High risk high reward.
Good call for those on here that said this would be what the Texans would do, I thought they would have restructured it and have him here for at least 2 years.
Added incentive for Stefon Diggs: As part of the Buffalo-Houston trade, the Texans wiped out the final three years on Diggs’ contract, giving him the ability to become a free agent after this season, league sources tell ESPN. The Texans also took the $3.5 million guaranteed to… pic.twitter.com/3CdRZY0LhK
— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) April 4, 2024
Also, if Diggs does walk, we should get a comp pick for him next year
Highest we can get is a 5th round pick, I think.
I like this simply from the standpoint that we, theoretically could do this again next year. The big risk in my eyes is Diggs and Collins walk, but maybe one of the younger guys outside of Tank steps up.
I like this simply from the standpoint that we, theoretically could do this again next year. The big risk in my eyes is Diggs and Collins walk, but maybe one of the younger guys outside of Tank steps up.
Not sure what to make of wiping 3 years off Diggs' contract. A 2nd for a 1 year rental seems high. And if he performs, you have a dilemma of whether you'll get the same commitment if he's not in a contract year. And you'll also have him and Nico as free agents. Pretty much guaranteed to lose 1.
Definitely makes the team Better for this year but can't quite figure out what they're thinking longterm.
Definitely makes the team Better for this year but can't quite figure out what they're thinking longterm.
What this says to me is that they're not sure if Nico is a number 1, so what you have is two guys playing on a one year contract and you see if one rises up, if they can work together, or if one isn't what you thought. And if both rise up then you're probably battling for a Super Bowl spot at this point, and the one year rental is more than worth it.JCA1 said:
Not sure what to make of wiping 3 years off Diggs' contract. A 2nd for a 1 year rental seems high. And if he performs, you have a dilemma of whether you'll get the same commitment if he's not in a contract year. And you'll also have him and Nico as free agents. Pretty much guaranteed to lose 1.
Definitely makes the team Better for this year but can't quite figure out what they're thinking longterm.
I think this is basically a try out for both Nico and Diggs.
One gets the extension the other gets a franchise tag.
One gets the extension the other gets a franchise tag.
IrishAg said:What this says to me is that they're not sure if Nico is a number 1, so what you have is two guys playing on a one year contract and you see if one rises up, if they can work together, or if one isn't what you thought. And if both rise up then you're probably battling for a Super Bowl spot at this point, and the one year rental is more than worth it.JCA1 said:
Not sure what to make of wiping 3 years off Diggs' contract. A 2nd for a 1 year rental seems high. And if he performs, you have a dilemma of whether you'll get the same commitment if he's not in a contract year. And you'll also have him and Nico as free agents. Pretty much guaranteed to lose 1.
Definitely makes the team Better for this year but can't quite figure out what they're thinking longterm.
That's fair. But still doesn't explain why they chopped his contract. They could always cut him if he didn't work out.
I'm still having a hard time understanding what the upside for the Texans is in reducing his contract to 1 year.
you get a Diggs that isn't complacent! He will be going all out to try and get a new big contract next year. Players on the end of deals generally perform better than players knowing they will be paid handsomely for the next 3 years regardless. If he sucks he will lose some money! I expect the best version of diggs nowJCA1 said:IrishAg said:What this says to me is that they're not sure if Nico is a number 1, so what you have is two guys playing on a one year contract and you see if one rises up, if they can work together, or if one isn't what you thought. And if both rise up then you're probably battling for a Super Bowl spot at this point, and the one year rental is more than worth it.JCA1 said:
Not sure what to make of wiping 3 years off Diggs' contract. A 2nd for a 1 year rental seems high. And if he performs, you have a dilemma of whether you'll get the same commitment if he's not in a contract year. And you'll also have him and Nico as free agents. Pretty much guaranteed to lose 1.
Definitely makes the team Better for this year but can't quite figure out what they're thinking longterm.
That's fair. But still doesn't explain why they chopped his contract. They could always cut him if he didn't work out.
I'm still having a hard time understanding what the upside for the Texans is in reducing his contract to 1 year.
Schefter tweet sums it up perfectly. Players tend to ball out when playing in a contract year.
So he gets his add-on immediately and is now playing for a new contract.
You're incentivizing him
So he gets his add-on immediately and is now playing for a new contract.
You're incentivizing him
I get the incentive. But if the front office thinks the only way to get Diggs' best effort is to make him a free agent, that's kinda the best argument I've heard yet against the trade. It rarely works out with guys like that it seems.
And doesn't that pretty much mean he leaves after one year? No chance you give him the kind of money he'll want if that's what you think of him.
I don't love or hate the trade. On his best day, Diggs is a very good player and getting his talent for a 2nd is a steal. But a fellow Super Bowl contender was willing to give him away for that. That should sound some alarms. But, again, the price wasn't too bad so it's probably worth the roll of the dice.
And doesn't that pretty much mean he leaves after one year? No chance you give him the kind of money he'll want if that's what you think of him.
I don't love or hate the trade. On his best day, Diggs is a very good player and getting his talent for a 2nd is a steal. But a fellow Super Bowl contender was willing to give him away for that. That should sound some alarms. But, again, the price wasn't too bad so it's probably worth the roll of the dice.
And does this apply to everyone else on the team? Should we make them all free agents so we get their best efforts as well? And if not, why not? Why is Diggs different?
JCA1 said:
And does this apply to everyone else on the team? Should we make them all free agents so we get their best efforts as well? And if not, why not? Why is Diggs different?
Diggs is at the magic age where most receivers start to decline and people thought his overall play was declining the second half of last year. Now there are no excuses, and we'll know one way or another where he is at. I think a lot of people are looking at this the wrong way. Instead of looking at through the eyes of the old "we're building for the future" mindset we used to have, we need to realistically look at it as, hey we're taking a swing at making a Super Bowl run next year so let's try to maximize what we can for next year without putting us in cap hell until we know what we've got with Diggs and Nico.
Last year very few fans thought Nico Collins was going to be a top receiver. He proved he was one of the best for a year. Now a repeat performance is needed to get a big money contract.
With a long term deal Diggs didn't have anything to prove and is coming off a bad second half. Assuming he reverts to one of the best receivers in the NFL, then he will earn more than the Bills contract would have paid.
A next year second round pick for Diggs and a 5 and a 6 is really a very small price for a season we can contend for
A Super Bowl berth. If he's great and Collins is great and don't want to sign both then worry about that later.
With a long term deal Diggs didn't have anything to prove and is coming off a bad second half. Assuming he reverts to one of the best receivers in the NFL, then he will earn more than the Bills contract would have paid.
A next year second round pick for Diggs and a 5 and a 6 is really a very small price for a season we can contend for
A Super Bowl berth. If he's great and Collins is great and don't want to sign both then worry about that later.
Comp pick isn't worth much but maybe the non-exclusive franchise tag makes sense. Still seems odd to give up a 2nd for effectively one year.IrishAg said:Yup, got to see if he is really still able to play at a high level or if he was on the declineMelvinUdall said:Texan_Aggie said:
Texans just restructured to make it a 1-year deal for Diggs. High risk high reward.
Good call for those on here that said this would be what the Texans would do, I thought they would have restructured it and have him here for at least 2 years.Added incentive for Stefon Diggs: As part of the Buffalo-Houston trade, the Texans wiped out the final three years on Diggs’ contract, giving him the ability to become a free agent after this season, league sources tell ESPN. The Texans also took the $3.5 million guaranteed to… pic.twitter.com/3CdRZY0LhK
— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) April 4, 2024
Also, if Diggs does walk, we should get a comp pick for him next year
Wasn't our pick though. We turned a 1st into two seconds, and turned one of those seconds (which is 2025) into Diggs a 5th and a 6th.
I don't think the drop-off from late round 1 to 2 is that big, but salary wise is better.
Also, I highly doubt our picks going into the draft are where we stay. Caserio traded 8 times in last years draft. Brian Gaine traded 0 in his two years. Nick likes to wheel and deal.
I don't think the drop-off from late round 1 to 2 is that big, but salary wise is better.
Also, I highly doubt our picks going into the draft are where we stay. Caserio traded 8 times in last years draft. Brian Gaine traded 0 in his two years. Nick likes to wheel and deal.
The more I think about it, the more I think the Texans don't have interest in Diggs after this year.
Diggs has incentive to ball out for a new contract, even if not with the Texans. If Nico does well we will resign him.
The takeaway - the Texans can out themselves in a position where FAs will want to play with CJ and DeMeco. Keep your core (CJ, Collins, Tank) and be a place that good vets can come to play competitive football and set themselves up for a good contract elsewhere. Makes sense for Texans.
One way or another, I don't see Diggs past this year (which is fine because he usually becomes discontent after 2-3 years anyway)
Diggs has incentive to ball out for a new contract, even if not with the Texans. If Nico does well we will resign him.
The takeaway - the Texans can out themselves in a position where FAs will want to play with CJ and DeMeco. Keep your core (CJ, Collins, Tank) and be a place that good vets can come to play competitive football and set themselves up for a good contract elsewhere. Makes sense for Texans.
One way or another, I don't see Diggs past this year (which is fine because he usually becomes discontent after 2-3 years anyway)
Interesting and you may be on to something.
That would actually be a genius approach.
That would actually be a genius approach.
I think it was abundantly clear Houston had no intention of resigning him the second they restructured the deal
Im looking for Ray Finkle.... and a clean pair of shorts. Im just a very big Finkle fan. This is my Graceland, sir.
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Don't get this logic. It's still a pick you had that you can no longer use. Even if who you get is just an average starter, that's highly valuable when you consider how little you pay a second rounder. Also, if a late first is not a drop off then why don't teams always trade them for two seconds?Texan_Aggie said:
Wasn't our pick though. We turned a 1st into two seconds, and turned one of those seconds (which is 2025) into Diggs a 5th and a 6th.
I don't think the drop-off from late round 1 to 2 is that big, but salary wise is better.
Also, I highly doubt our picks going into the draft are where we stay. Caserio traded 8 times in last years draft. Brian Gaine traded 0 in his two years. Nick likes to wheel and deal.
This is Nick's way to run the team. Age is important for skilled position players. First, we trade for Joe Mixon, then sign him for 3 years (he is 27). Next Diggs, but he is already 30 so we want him on a 1 year deal, so we cancel the other 3 years on his contract. It fits, just like resigning some players like Dalton Schultz but upgrading positions like DE and MLB instead of keeping Grenard and Cashman.
This probably comes from his time at NE. Randy Moss had the best year of his career at NE but wasn't there that long. Perhaps Diggs and CJ will match the Brady to Moss year. Or will Diggs and Collins create a lot of single coverage for Tank Dell.
This is a brilliant strategy that will earn Nick, Demeco and Slowick a lot of money over the next few years, hopefully right here in HTown.
This probably comes from his time at NE. Randy Moss had the best year of his career at NE but wasn't there that long. Perhaps Diggs and CJ will match the Brady to Moss year. Or will Diggs and Collins create a lot of single coverage for Tank Dell.
This is a brilliant strategy that will earn Nick, Demeco and Slowick a lot of money over the next few years, hopefully right here in HTown.
Would you rather have Diggs or draft a receiver next year if you are trying to win?
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