*******The Official Houston Texans 2023: The reign of Meco thread************

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11:31a, 4/3/24
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I hope I'm wrong, but I don't care for this deal. Diggs is getting old, still has a big contract and is known to be a malcontent. I understand going all in while CJ is on his rookie deal, but I think this could easily backfire. I don't know what conversations Caserio was having, but I much rather would have spend this money on a DT than a big money, aging diva.

Again, I would love to be completely wrong.
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11:35a, 4/3/24
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Any decent WR is a diva.

They didn't mortgage the future (actually gave up very little) and landed a legit WR1.

If you're not onboard with this deal you can't be happy ever.
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In reply to Snake Jazz • 11:50a, 4/3/24
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Normally I'd agree, but I'd give DeMeco and Stroud the benefit of the doubt with their leadership we've seen so far. If they weren't on board, I don't think we'd have traded
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In reply to Ag_07 • 11:51a, 4/3/24
Ag_07 said:
Any decent WR is a diva.

They didn't mortgage the future (actually gave up very little) and landed a legit WR1.

If you're not onboard with this deal you can't be happy ever.
Agree completely, every WR is a diva, especially when a new OC drops your production a lot.

Also, Diggs has no more guaranteed money on the 3 years remaining on contract after this year, so we don't even have to renegotiate the deal this year if we want to. We can see how he does this year and then if it doesn't pan out, cut him without any huge contract hit and no dead money on the cap. Just costs us the extra 2nd rounder we have next year to attempt to make a Super Bowl run this year.
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11:52a, 4/3/24
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the best thing about the deal...

it provides injury protection at the WR position (depth)
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11:59a, 4/3/24
I would guess they will restructure to spread some of it to 2025, but his current deal has an 18,500,000 dead cap number for the Texans in 2024 and nothing after that.

If it just isnt working, they can cut bait after this season without too much downside. Still have plenty of high value picks for the next several drafts, so lots of avenues to improve the team.

The downside is really not too bad, for pretty considerable upside.
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In reply to Texan_Aggie • 12:03p, 4/3/24
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Texan_Aggie said:
chjoak said:
AgBrother said:
Traded out of the first round -

Minnesota gets #23 and #232

Texans get #42, #188 this year and a 2025 2nd rounder.


Gotta question the wisdom of doing that deal now vs on draft day. Feel like you have a greater chance getting more value if/when someone sees a player they cant live without. Also have a better opportunity to trade down multiple times and really stockpile picks.
If you're looking to trade for a player and the team wants a 2nd rounder. Trade may not be available on draft day.

So we traded our 1st for a 2nd, 5th, 6th, and Stefan.

Call me BilBo.
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In reply to Crispin Torque • 12:06p, 4/3/24
Crispin Torque said:
I would guess they will restructure to spread some of it to 2025, but his current deal has an 18,500,000 dead cap number for the Texans in 2024 and nothing after that.

If it just isnt working, they can cut bait after this season without too much downside. Still have plenty of high value picks for the next several drafts, so lots of avenues to improve the team.

The downside is really not too bad, for pretty considerable upside.
Exactly, and the upside is potential Super Bowl run if he plays at a high level, so I would say worth the risk
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12:28p, 4/3/24
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Unless we are still trying to make a run at some more FAs, I don't think we even need to restructure him at all. We have enough to sign our draftees and we also have Robert Woods to create some more room if we need to. Now we are actually kind of in a spot where we are going to have some tough cut decisions because we have too MUCH depth.
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12:29p, 4/3/24
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Robert Woods is gone. Probably will be cut this summer
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12:40p, 4/3/24
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We have suffered to get here though.

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In reply to Furlock Bones • 12:42p, 4/3/24
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Will be weird when Joel Osteen is the Cowboys director of player development and prayer but have at it.
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In reply to Furlock Bones • 12:43p, 4/3/24
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Furlock Bones said:
We have suffered to get here though.

I love it, but I still can't help but think we were just incredibly fortunate to stumble into the best rookie QB since Andrew Luck
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In reply to canadiaggie • 12:49p, 4/3/24
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No doubt. But we are also making smart moves now. You have to play the hand you were dealt. Caserio is doing a pretty excellent job maximizing his cards.
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1:03p, 4/3/24
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Apparently the Diggs contract has a team option the next 3 seasons. Man this is more than just trading for a good player. This is trading and doing serious work on contract value.
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In reply to TheNotoriousP.I.P. • 1:14p, 4/3/24
TheNotoriousP.I.P. said:
Unless we are still trying to make a run at some more FAs, I don't think we even need to restructure him at all. We have enough to sign our draftees and we also have Robert Woods to create some more room if we need to. Now we are actually kind of in a spot where we are going to have some tough cut decisions because we have too MUCH depth.


You're correct the Texans don't need to restructure his deal, my guess is they will be, and it will be a 3 year deal with a way for the Texans to get out of it with a minimal cap hit after year 2.
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In reply to MelvinUdall • 1:31p, 4/3/24
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I'm not sure why they would. It doesn't get much better for us than this and Diggs gets a new start.
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In reply to MelvinUdall • 1:49p, 4/3/24
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MelvinUdall said:
TheNotoriousP.I.P. said:
Unless we are still trying to make a run at some more FAs, I don't think we even need to restructure him at all. We have enough to sign our draftees and we also have Robert Woods to create some more room if we need to. Now we are actually kind of in a spot where we are going to have some tough cut decisions because we have too MUCH depth.


You're correct the Texans don't need to restructure his deal, my guess is they will be, and it will be a 3 year deal with a way for the Texans to get out of it with a minimal cap hit after year 2.
His guaranteed money is done after 2024, this is effectively a one year deal. The added benefit to when Caserio made this deal is Buffalo got hammered by the Diggs contract on dead money so Diggs is essentially playing 2024 as a contract year because there's no way he plays 2025 with only a small amount guaranteed for injury. If it doesn't work out, Texans release him, both parties walk away. If it does work out they see about an extension or trade him to a team who will work out an extension. The more details I read about this trade the more I like it.

The PFF guys likened this trade to when Houston traded Osweiller and a second round pick to Cleveland just to get him out of the building. Caserio is making up for the Hopkins trade and the Osweiller one with this one move. With all he's doing I think McNair needs to get Caserio an extension because a lot of what he's been doing for years is really paying dividends right now.
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1:52p, 4/3/24
This all may be very true, and I don't disagree, I still believe the Texans may extend him, mainly because they may not be extending Collin's after this season and Diggs fills that void for a couple of seasons….but they may stick with Diggs contract and dump Diggs after this season and extend Collins. All in all, I love this trade for the Yexans, regardless if they decide to extend Diggs or not.
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1:55p, 4/3/24
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Maybe they wait and see how this work out and decide which one they want to extend.

Or even extend Diggs and tag Nico.
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3:13p, 4/3/24
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Stroud with last year's weapons.



Stroud with this year's weapons




And a shoutout to David Carr

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In reply to The Porkchop Express • 3:31p, 4/3/24
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Anderson with Greenard on the other side:



Anderson with Hunter on the other side:

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5:27p, 4/3/24
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New Era has draft caps for 2024..... but only 31 teams. Houston not available. Guessing it's part of the refacing of the brand?

https://www.neweracap.com/collections/nfl-draft?earch&utm_medium=google&utm_campaign=VM_NEC_USA_GO_NB_DSA&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjw_LOwBhBFEiwAmSEQAbhYh6VSj1QSEB3qXVq6FblJCmjn5F51AgUQhebDUCtBFFhDvGzcthoCrFAQAvD_BwE
Im looking for Ray Finkle.... and a clean pair of shorts. Im just a very big Finkle fan. This is my Graceland, sir.


MAGA

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In reply to Mr.Bond • 7:51p, 4/3/24
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I only find 30 teams. No Texans or New York Jets. Perhaps they are changing color scheme too? I'm sure the new uniforms will impact the Texans cap.
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In reply to LincolnBorglum79 • 9:20p, 4/3/24
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LincolnBorglum79 said:
I only find 30 teams. No Texans or New York Jets. Perhaps they are changing color scheme too? I'm sure the new uniforms will impact the Texans cap.



Good catch. Weird
Im looking for Ray Finkle.... and a clean pair of shorts. Im just a very big Finkle fan. This is my Graceland, sir.


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12:01a, 4/4/24
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So the combined effect of the trade down with Minn and the Diggs trade is:

We give up pick 23 in the first round 2024 and receive Pick 42, a sixth round Buffalo pick in 2024 plus a 5th round 2025 Buffalo draft pick and Stefan Diggs, under a flexible team friendly contact for up to 4 years. Nick has already earned GM of the year even before the draft. He will probably add a couple more 2025 picks trading down in the draft too.

The new uniforms, the draft and the schedule release all within the next 5 weeks.
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7:32a, 4/4/24
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So I saw a video last night with some additional info from Schefter about how Caserio did this. Evidently he had engaged Buffalo some time ago and knew Diggs was going to cost roughly a second round pick. With that information he reached out to Minnesota with the proposal to trade out of the first round. That's why they probably received a little less than what a lot of people, myself included, thought that pick was worth. But Caserio just wanted an extra 2 so he could pull off this trade, which is exactly what happened. Had Minnesota initiated the trade Houston probably gets a little bit more but the end game for Caserio was what he achieved. Makes a lot more sense now.
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7:46a, 4/4/24
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Caserio is earning his keep that's for sure.

He had some quirky head scratching moves to undo the mess the Buttchin Bob created, but then he sat back and waited in the weeds for the perfect time to pounce.

What he's done in rebuilding this team is nothing short of masterful.
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In reply to Furlock Bones • 8:31a, 4/4/24
Furlock Bones said:
We have suffered to get here though.

Teams want to get a stud QB who assaults women so they're forced to trade him plus a maniac HC and little finger preacher turned "GM" who trades their All Pro WR for a hill of beans all the while their lucky sperm club Tommy boy owner drools on his own power stache in the hopes they can be so terrible several years in a row they stumble on a stud rookie QB at the second pick that they wouldn't have take first overall, which is the pick they would have had if their previous lameduck HC hadn't gone balls out to win the meaningless last game of the season just to give the owner the middle finger? I'd like to see another team replicate this maneuver.
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In reply to MaxPower • 8:39a, 4/4/24
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MaxPower said:
Furlock Bones said:
We have suffered to get here though.

Teams want to get a stud QB who assaults women so they're forced to trade him plus a maniac HC and little finger preacher turned "GM" who trades their All Pro WR for a hill of beans all the while their lucky sperm club Tommy boy owner drools on his own power stache in the hopes they can be so terrible several years in a row they stumble on a stud rookie QB at the second pick that they wouldn't have take first overall, which is the pick they would have had if their previous lameduck HC hadn't gone balls out to win the meaningless last game of the season just to give the owner the middle finger? I'd like to see another team replicate this maneuver.
Have you run this by your shrink? That's a lot of effort to expound upon that kind of hate.

Oh, and the Raiders probably dealt with half of that by lunch. Just didn't pull it off.
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In reply to AgLA06 • 9:24a, 4/4/24
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AgLA06 said:
MaxPower said:
Furlock Bones said:
We have suffered to get here though.

Teams want to get a stud QB who assaults women so they're forced to trade him plus a maniac HC and little finger preacher turned "GM" who trades their All Pro WR for a hill of beans all the while their lucky sperm club Tommy boy owner drools on his own power stache in the hopes they can be so terrible several years in a row they stumble on a stud rookie QB at the second pick that they wouldn't have take first overall, which is the pick they would have had if their previous lameduck HC hadn't gone balls out to win the meaningless last game of the season just to give the owner the middle finger? I'd like to see another team replicate this maneuver.
Have you run this by your shrink? That's a lot of effort to expound upon that kind of hate.

Oh, and the Raiders probably dealt with half of that by lunch. Just didn't pull it off.
I really miss Al Davis being alive, because anytime some guy you had never heard of did great at the combine, or some guy who had one good year had gotten out of prison, you could always count on the Raiders to sign him.
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In reply to AgLA06 • 9:56a, 4/4/24
Is any of it incorrect?

Regardless of exactly how they got to the position they got to, they had to suck several years in a row, get high draft picks and hit on a QB. None of that is "new". It's a strategy that's existed since the draft began 60 years ago. Some teams just manage to repeatedly screw it up (see Browns).
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In reply to MaxPower • 10:00a, 4/4/24
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MaxPower said:
Is any of it incorrect?

Regardless of exactly how they got to the position they got to, they had to suck several years in a row, get high draft picks and hit on a QB. None of that is "new". It's a strategy that's existed since the draft began 60 years ago. Some teams just manage to repeatedly screw it up (see Browns).
To be fair. The Texans hadn't really pulled it off until now either. Lord knows there's been some really bad ball at times since the first season. Most of us just hope for an average season with an outside chance at the playoffs most years.

What Caserio has done is uncharted waters for this franchise to date. It reminds me a lot of the Astros in the mid 2010s. And it's exciting as hell!
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10:22a, 4/4/24
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No one is happier than the girls at Treasures.

And that's why he was unhappy in Buffalo.
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11:30a, 4/4/24
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