So who are you pushing down the depth chart to bring in the WR2 you say we need to draft?

dcaggie04 said:

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So who are you pushing down the depth chart to being in the WR2 you say we need to draft?

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Forreal who are we drafting that's better than Nico or Tank

dcaggie04 said:

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So who are you pushing down the depth chart to bring in the WR2 you say we need to draft?

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Just to clarify I consider Dell as WR3 just because of his size and role in the offense, when I refer to WR2 I'm just talking about a WR larger than Dell that can be on the opposite side of the field from Collins, he's clearly WR2 in terms of talent and ability. Looking for someone that's an improvement over Noah Brown, Robert Woods, John Metchie III, and Xavier Hutchinson. Those 4 WR's combined for 1241 yards, Collins had more than those 4 combined. They also only scored 3 TD's between them compared to 8 for Collins, 7 for Dell, and 5 for Schultz. Brown scored as many receiving TD's as Andrew Beck, 2.

The league knows what Collins and Dell are capable of after this season and there's going to be more game planning against us next year because this team was a surprise. They need another guy out there the defense needs to worry about. Stroud needs another starting caliber weapon. I'm not opposed to keeping Brown on the roster he came up big a few times but I think they need another guy.

So I'm reading rumors of Brandon Aiyuk wanting out of SF due to wanting an increased role as a true WR1. He has one more year left on his contract and I imagine he'll want a big extension.

That would be an interesting add to this roster but I imagine it would cost quite a bit to trade for him and cost quite a bit to give him a contract he'd be happy with.

Pipe dream scenario but Aiyuk, Nico, and Tank would be an absolutely ridiculous WR room.

Aren't Aiyuk and Nico essentially the same player in this offense?

Cartographer said:

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Aren't Aiyuk and Nico essentially the same player in this offense?

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The reality is we're probably going to have issues with roles and opportunities regardless who we bring in. There's only so many passes to go around no matter how many players there are. Our supposed #2 and #3 receivers put up numbers as good or better than #1s and #2s in other offenses.

Everyone wants studs at every position. That's just not reality and at some point there is a regression by addition and players get unhappy. I know I'd be pissed if I put up the numbers Tank and Nico did and a fanbase was calling to bring someone else in instead of appreciating the effort and results.

It could be argued that if we drafted a #2 type receiver later in the draft that and had 3 very solid WRs to go along with an above average pass catching tight end, the offense might be better than spending top dollar on a WR that's just going to take targets away from guys on beneficial contracts already averaging 200 yards receiving a game.

Money is better spent elsewhere in my opinion because this offense is going to put up numbers regardless. One could argue upgrading the O-line and RB position might provide better offense next year than a high dollar WR when we have 3 proven guys.

I know you can't go into the season counting on it, but I'm hoping Metchie puts it all together this year and delivers on his potential. Still need to add someone more proven.

What exactly do you propose we upgrade on the OL?

LT Tunsil - $25.9M Cap Hit & $40.5M Dead Cap
RT Howard - $18.7M Cap Hit and $29.3M Dead Cap
G Mason - $12.3M Cap Hit and $17.8M Dead Cap
G Green - $4.4M Cap and 9.4M Dead Cap (1st round pick that's been healthy one season)
C Scruggs - $1.4M Cap and $2.1M Dead Cap (2nd round pick in second season)

3 of the top 4 cap figures for the Texans are OL, the other 2 projected starters are a 1st round pick from 2 years ago and a 2nd round pick from 1 year ago.

Realistically we aren't getting rid of Tunsil, Howard, or Mason. The only upgrade candidates are the younger players, which I'm not sure they're ready to give up on. Green is the only one, realistically, I'd say upgrade on, but I'm still not knowledgeable on where Green is/will be to do that.

I think more important than the pieces on the OL is the attitude/philosophy of the OL. If they can begin to get more interested in pushing back the DL instead of going backwards, that would help more than the addition or any one or two players.

Texan_Aggie said:

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I think more important than the pieces on the OL is the attitude/philosophy of the OL. If they can begin to get more interested in pushing back the DL instead of going backwards, that would help more than the addition or any one or two players.

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Well hopefully someone tells them. I'm sure they've never thought of that.

I've wondered if the lack of run game success is a scheme issue.

While Slowick was overall successful as an OC the run game was not at all and prior to that he was a passing game coordinator.

With his experience in passing game that got me thinking maybe it's not talent but just a scheme shortcoming that Slowick is still learning/adapting to.

3 Toed Pete said:

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I know you can't go into the season counting on it, but I'm hoping Metchie puts it all together this year and delivers on his potential. Still need to add someone more proven.

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This would be the best case scenario. The guy lost out on his rookie season because he was fighting cancer. If he has a great offseason I'd love it if he became that guy. By all accounts he's a good man. I believe he had teammates visiting him and other patients in the hospital. I think he still goes back there to visit IIRC. I know he's brought families from there to games. If he becomes the player that we all hope he can be it would just be incredible considering what he's overcome.

Tunsil is a liability in the run game.

He's all-world pass blocking because of his lateral agility and strength while moving that way. Ask him to push the line and he's average at best. I think you can make the case that this should push the team into more of a gap scheming idea like we used to run with Kubiak but, I doubt you'd see LT hit the deck and cut some DL down.

He's great at what he does but we can't run left because he can't move his man.

That's exactly the point - if he is mediocre in run blocking ad the others follow his lead, that's why we're where we are.

I don't know if our current personnel would fit zone scheme, but it can't be worse than what we did this year.

Cartographer said:

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Tunsil is a liability in the game.

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FIFY

His false start problem is a liability.

Shanahan (and his coaching tree) teams typically have a jump in the run game from year 1 to year 2. I'm sure we'll bring in more talent at RB, plus getting the OL healthy and a year in the system.

I think they bring in a mid tier WR and draft one. Insurance if they can't resign Nico in a year plus we need depth badly.

DL and secondary are still the biggest needs IMO.

No Tunsil would have been about 20 yards less per game in penalties.

agreed. I only don't like him in the run game. Penalties come and go from year to year.

Texan_Aggie said:

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That's exactly the point - if he is mediocre in run blocking ad the others follow his lead, that's why we're where we are.

I don't know if our current personnel would fit zone scheme, but it can't be worse than what we did this year.

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This is one of the sports radio guys' (Clint Stoerner?) thought. The rest of the line look to Tunsill for leadership/mentality and he's just not a guy who's going to bulldoze anyone.

Eventful week for CJ Stroud

Sunday Night: Attended the Super Bowl in the Kardashian Suite

Thursday Night: Leaves Travis Scott’s Celebrity Softball Game with Amber Rose pic.twitter.com/QlNoEqI79O

— Barstool Sports (@barstoolsports) February 16, 2024

We worried?

I have no clue who she is, should I be?

She also dated Kanye West before Kim K. Major distraction.

Teddy Perkins said:

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She also dated Kanye West before Kim K. Major distraction.

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Her breakup with Kanye spawned his greatest creative output tho

Cowherd is predicting colts, jaguars, chargers, bengals in the playoffs next year and not the Texans all because of how good their QBs are. I guess Anthony Richardson is the new media darling.

He had injury problems in college as well.

It was always a big gamble on whether his game would translate and until he learns how to play while also avoiding contact/injuries it's gonna be a lot like what we saw his rookie season.

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Mr.Bond said:

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Vince Young 2.0

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100% minus the early success that young had

Here's a crazy thing for everyone on Richardson, he had only 1 game in his rookie season where he took every snap and didn't get injured (against the Rams).

1st game vs Jags, knee injury
2nd game vs us, concussion
3rd game vs Bal, still out with concussion
4th game vs Rams, made it the whole way.....yay
5th game vs Titans, AC joint injury and out for the rest of the year

That's insane for a guy that is billed as a large sized run first QB.

No clue why anyone would have big expectations on him for next year. Cautiously optimistic that this year was a fluke and waiting to be pleasantly surprised I could see, but people expecting him to lead the colts to the playoffs are more than delusional.

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He had some impressive moments during his rookie year, Richardson was the lottery ticket QB in last year's draft. Physically gifted but with limited experience. Historically, college experience is one of the biggest determinants of NFL success. Guys with one year of starting experience are much less likely to become successful. Vince Young didn't have that problem. I'm not rooting against the guy by any means but the odds aren't in his favor or the Colts. Stroud, Young, and Levis all had way more experience than Richardson coming into the draft. The other issue is that his season ending injury was to his throwing shoulder, which is the worst part of the body for a QB to get hurt. Cam Newton suffered a tear vs a significant sprain to his throwing shoulder IIRC, but he was never the same player after that injury.

Indianapolis is not a team that gambles generally, they're pretty smart and calculated when it comes to their personnel moves. That's why I was surprised when they took Richardson. It's also why I believe it was Indy who tried to sandbag Stroud by leaking his S2 results. Irsay was pretty vocal about Levis and they had him in for interviews multiple times IIRC. By all indications they were going to take him, but they didn't take Levis when he was sitting there at 4. I believe they wanted Stroud so bad they would do any kind of game they thought would influence Caserio to pass on him. Their gamble to influence Houston failed so they decided to double down and gamble on the biggest position on the team.

I was thinking TN leaked it, but that wouldn't surprise me either. I'm sure both teams greatly coveted Stroud.

cc10106 said:

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I was thinking TN leaked it, but that wouldn't surprise me either. I'm sure both teams greatly coveted Stroud.

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I wouldn't put it past them either but the reason I have more doubts about them doing it is they were sitting at 11 and Indy was there at 4. Stroud was a consensus top pick in the draft, regardless of the S2. Whether or not it was Indy it did help us because the big rumor around Carolina's choice of Young was that Tepper believed Stroud might be stupid because of the S2 test.

Granted there's also a chance it was a team and didn't even draft a QB. Maybe the Falcons thought they'd have a chance at Stroud if he slipped. Perhaps the Commanders thought they could torpedo his draft stock. I just can't shake my hunch that it was Indy because of how Irsay was behaving around draft time and who they took.