you found that interesting? That is literally just bending data to make a narrative. stupid

Flores is just being spiteful and short-sighted. He should have just kept his head down, taken a coordinator position and looked / maneuvered for this next HC opportunity. What he has done is basically ensured he will never get another HC shot again. The NFL is FULL of former HC who are now not just coordinators but even just a position coach.

When you consider that 3 of 32 NFL HC positions in 2021 were held by black coaches, and you look at the demographics of the country, and assuming females are not likely / eligible candidates, 3/32 would actually mean black HC held a disproportionately HIGH / INFLATED # of head coach jobs.

Flores and the people that make these arguments are conflating the player ethnic ratio and asserting / assuming then that the head coach ratio MUST be the same. Nothing could be further from the truth. And if we want to start talking about diversity of NFL HCs and players, where are the hispanic and asian players and coaches, why is it OK if there is only one white starting RB?

This is not 1950, 1920, 1820, there is no suppression, systematic racism, bias, etc., etc. People do not care if the HC/QB/RB/LB, etc. is black, white, yellow, red, green, etc. The NFL and NBA (and other pro leagues to a lesser extent) have paid billions of $$ to thousands of black players and yet still the race card gets played. It is ridiculous.

Lastly, like it or not, and no matter what the government says about it, a person can absolutely discriminate if they choose to. It is not right, moral, or ethical, but is it NOT illegal. Most would not come out and say it, but even if you did, it is not illegal and the government can't do anything about it nor could the NFL. Much like there is confusion over 1st amendment arguments, there is confusion on this topic / legality as well. In the public sphere the government can pass laws, when it comes to private matters, private ownership, decisions of private individuals, discriminating is not illegal, stupid yes but not illegal.

Agreed, but I think it does matter when it comes to players.

Think about how many good white slot WR's there have been over the past 20 years and in all of that time between 2002 & 2020 there were 0 non-black CB's/NB's. You are telling me there weren't a handful of non-blacks that could cover someone over 2 decades? White guys are quick enough to catch the ball & burn black guys, but there weren't a few who could cover?

You already mentioned RB's. If McCaffrey's dad wouldn't have been a top shelf NFL WR it is likely we'd have never heard of him. Take McCaffrey to any major college program 10 years ago (without anyone knowing who he is/who his dad was) and how many of those coaches pick him vs random black RB of the same build/speed?

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you found that interesting? That is literally just bending data to make a narrative. stupid

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Jarrin' Jay said:

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Flores is just being spiteful and short-sighted. He should have just kept his head down, taken a coordinator position and looked / maneuvered for this next HC opportunity. What he has done is basically ensured he will never get another HC shot again. The NFL is FULL of former HC who are now not just coordinators but even just a position coach.

When you consider that 3 of 32 NFL HC positions in 2021 were held by black coaches, and you look at the demographics of the country, and assuming females are not likely / eligible candidates, 3/32 would actually mean black HC held a disproportionately HIGH / INFLATED # of head coach jobs.

Flores and the people that make these arguments are conflating the player ethnic ratio and asserting / assuming then that the head coach ratio MUST be the same. Nothing could be further from the truth. And if we want to start talking about diversity of NFL HCs and players, where are the hispanic and asian players and coaches,why is it OK if there is only one white starting RB?

This is not 1950, 1920, 1820, there is no suppression, systematic racism, bias, etc., etc. People do not care if the HC/QB/RB/LB, etc. is black, white, yellow, red, green, etc. The NFL and NBA (and other pro leagues to a lesser extent) have paid billions of $$ to thousands of black players and yet still the race card gets played. It is ridiculous.

Lastly, like it or not, and no matter what the government says about it, a person can absolutely discriminate if they choose to. It is not right, moral, or ethical, but is it NOT illegal. Most would not come out and say it, but even if you did, it is not illegal and the government can't do anything about it nor could the NFL. Much like there is confusion over 1st amendment arguments, there is confusion on this topic / legality as well. In the public sphere the government can pass laws, when it comes to private matters, private ownership, decisions of private individuals, discriminating is not illegal, stupid yes but not illegal.

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Is this some kind of joke?

No more than you posting crap from theundefeated as if that is any kind of objective source. What's next, the BLM position?

Jarrin' Jay said:

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Lastly, like it or not, and no matter what the government says about it, a person can absolutely discriminate if they choose to. It is not right, moral, or ethical, but is it NOT illegal. Most would not come out and say it, but even if you did, it is not illegal and the government can't do anything about it nor could the NFL. Much like there is confusion over 1st amendment arguments, there is confusion on this topic / legality as well. In the public sphere the government can pass laws, when it comes to private matters, private ownership, decisions of private individuals, discriminating is not illegal, stupid yes but not illegal.

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Are you sure about that? I feel pretty confident that if a private business owner came out and said "Yeah I fired John Doe because he's Asian/old/Christian/pick your protected class", then he can be held legally responsible.

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No more than you posting crap from theundefeated as if that is any kind of objective source. What's next, the BLM position?

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You do realize that the article has links to analysis that uses actual data and numbers? It's not an opinion piece.

Cherry picked b.s to fit a narrative

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Jarrin' Jay said:

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Lastly, like it or not, and no matter what the government says about it, a person can absolutely discriminate if they choose to. It is not right, moral, or ethical, but is it NOT illegal. Most would not come out and say it, but even if you did, it is not illegal and the government can't do anything about it nor could the NFL. Much like there is confusion over 1st amendment arguments, there is confusion on this topic / legality as well. In the public sphere the government can pass laws, when it comes to private matters, private ownership, decisions of private individuals, discriminating is not illegal, stupid yes but not illegal.

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Are you sure about that? I feel pretty confident that if a private business owner came out and said "Yeah I fired John Doe because he's Asian/old/Christian/pick your protected class", then he can be held legally responsible.

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Yes I am 10000% confident about that. Sure he may lose in a feel-good / messaging lower court of law or even an appeals court but it would take SCOTUS about 10 seconds to affirm that business owners rights. Totally different when you are talking about "public" companies, civil/government, and large organizations, etc.

Macarthur said:

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Jarrin' Jay said:

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Flores is just being spiteful and short-sighted. He should have just kept his head down, taken a coordinator position and looked / maneuvered for this next HC opportunity. What he has done is basically ensured he will never get another HC shot again. The NFL is FULL of former HC who are now not just coordinators but even just a position coach.

When you consider that 3 of 32 NFL HC positions in 2021 were held by black coaches, and you look at the demographics of the country, and assuming females are not likely / eligible candidates, 3/32 would actually mean black HC held a disproportionately HIGH / INFLATED # of head coach jobs.

Flores and the people that make these arguments are conflating the player ethnic ratio and asserting / assuming then that the head coach ratio MUST be the same. Nothing could be further from the truth. And if we want to start talking about diversity of NFL HCs and players, where are the hispanic and asian players and coaches,why is it OK if there is only one white starting RB?

This is not 1950, 1920, 1820, there is no suppression, systematic racism, bias, etc., etc. People do not care if the HC/QB/RB/LB, etc. is black, white, yellow, red, green, etc. The NFL and NBA (and other pro leagues to a lesser extent) have paid billions of $$ to thousands of black players and yet still the race card gets played. It is ridiculous.

Lastly, like it or not, and no matter what the government says about it, a person can absolutely discriminate if they choose to. It is not right, moral, or ethical, but is it NOT illegal. Most would not come out and say it, but even if you did, it is not illegal and the government can't do anything about it nor could the NFL. Much like there is confusion over 1st amendment arguments, there is confusion on this topic / legality as well. In the public sphere the government can pass laws, when it comes to private matters, private ownership, decisions of private individuals, discriminating is not illegal, stupid yes but not illegal.

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Is this some kind of joke?

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Other than McCaffrey is there another in the NFL I am not aware of?

Jarrin' Jay said:

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double aught said:

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Jarrin' Jay said:

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Lastly, like it or not, and no matter what the government says about it, a person can absolutely discriminate if they choose to. It is not right, moral, or ethical, but is it NOT illegal. Most would not come out and say it, but even if you did, it is not illegal and the government can't do anything about it nor could the NFL. Much like there is confusion over 1st amendment arguments, there is confusion on this topic / legality as well. In the public sphere the government can pass laws, when it comes to private matters, private ownership, decisions of private individuals, discriminating is not illegal, stupid yes but not illegal.

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Are you sure about that? I feel pretty confident that if a private business owner came out and said "Yeah I fired John Doe because he's Asian/old/Christian/pick your protected class", then he can be held legally responsible.

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Yes I am 10000% confident about that. Sure he may lose in a feel-good / messaging lower court of law or even an appeals court but it would take SCOTUS about 10 seconds to affirm that business owners rights. Totally different when you are talking about "public" companies, civil/government, and large organizations, etc.

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I won't get into the legal merits of a discrimination claim because that is not my practice area, but your opinion on how the court system works is terrible. The U.S. and Texas Supreme Courts are courts of discretionary jurisdiction, which means they don't have to take your case. The Texas Supreme Court only grants review in about 3% of the cases brought before it. The idea that you can just get the Supreme Court to correct any errors by a lower court is laughable. And that's setting aside the couple hundred grand you would have spent by the time you got there. Please don't give legal advice on the internet.

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Macarthur said:

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Jarrin' Jay said:

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Flores is just being spiteful and short-sighted. He should have just kept his head down, taken a coordinator position and looked / maneuvered for this next HC opportunity. What he has done is basically ensured he will never get another HC shot again. The NFL is FULL of former HC who are now not just coordinators but even just a position coach.

When you consider that 3 of 32 NFL HC positions in 2021 were held by black coaches, and you look at the demographics of the country, and assuming females are not likely / eligible candidates, 3/32 would actually mean black HC held a disproportionately HIGH / INFLATED # of head coach jobs.

Flores and the people that make these arguments are conflating the player ethnic ratio and asserting / assuming then that the head coach ratio MUST be the same. Nothing could be further from the truth. And if we want to start talking about diversity of NFL HCs and players, where are the hispanic and asian players and coaches,why is it OK if there is only one white starting RB?

This is not 1950, 1920, 1820, there is no suppression, systematic racism, bias, etc., etc. People do not care if the HC/QB/RB/LB, etc. is black, white, yellow, red, green, etc. The NFL and NBA (and other pro leagues to a lesser extent) have paid billions of $$ to thousands of black players and yet still the race card gets played. It is ridiculous.

Lastly, like it or not, and no matter what the government says about it, a person can absolutely discriminate if they choose to. It is not right, moral, or ethical, but is it NOT illegal. Most would not come out and say it, but even if you did, it is not illegal and the government can't do anything about it nor could the NFL. Much like there is confusion over 1st amendment arguments, there is confusion on this topic / legality as well. In the public sphere the government can pass laws, when it comes to private matters, private ownership, decisions of private individuals, discriminating is not illegal, stupid yes but not illegal.

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Is this some kind of joke?

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Other than McCaffrey is there another in the NFL I am not aware of?

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Peyton HIllis- what do i win?

MookieBlaylock said:

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Jarrin' Jay said:

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Macarthur said:

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Jarrin' Jay said:

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Flores is just being spiteful and short-sighted. He should have just kept his head down, taken a coordinator position and looked / maneuvered for this next HC opportunity. What he has done is basically ensured he will never get another HC shot again. The NFL is FULL of former HC who are now not just coordinators but even just a position coach.

When you consider that 3 of 32 NFL HC positions in 2021 were held by black coaches, and you look at the demographics of the country, and assuming females are not likely / eligible candidates, 3/32 would actually mean black HC held a disproportionately HIGH / INFLATED # of head coach jobs.

Flores and the people that make these arguments are conflating the player ethnic ratio and asserting / assuming then that the head coach ratio MUST be the same. Nothing could be further from the truth. And if we want to start talking about diversity of NFL HCs and players, where are the hispanic and asian players and coaches,why is it OK if there is only one white starting RB?

This is not 1950, 1920, 1820, there is no suppression, systematic racism, bias, etc., etc. People do not care if the HC/QB/RB/LB, etc. is black, white, yellow, red, green, etc. The NFL and NBA (and other pro leagues to a lesser extent) have paid billions of $$ to thousands of black players and yet still the race card gets played. It is ridiculous.

Lastly, like it or not, and no matter what the government says about it, a person can absolutely discriminate if they choose to. It is not right, moral, or ethical, but is it NOT illegal. Most would not come out and say it, but even if you did, it is not illegal and the government can't do anything about it nor could the NFL. Much like there is confusion over 1st amendment arguments, there is confusion on this topic / legality as well. In the public sphere the government can pass laws, when it comes to private matters, private ownership, decisions of private individuals, discriminating is not illegal, stupid yes but not illegal.

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Is this some kind of joke?

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Other than McCaffrey is there another in the NFL I am not aware of?

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Peyton HIllis- what do i win?

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Rex Burkhead

Kyle Juszczyk

Flores to Pittsburgh as a senior defensive assistant/linebackers.

the NFL is headed toward segregated coaching staffs

what a dumb dumb- he was all but guranteed a HC job or DC job until his worthless lawsuit

enjoy the HBC failed coaches circuit

Jarrin' Jay said:

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Jarrin' Jay said:

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Lastly, like it or not, and no matter what the government says about it, a person can absolutely discriminate if they choose to. It is not right, moral, or ethical, but is it NOT illegal. Most would not come out and say it, but even if you did, it is not illegal and the government can't do anything about it nor could the NFL. Much like there is confusion over 1st amendment arguments, there is confusion on this topic / legality as well. In the public sphere the government can pass laws, when it comes to private matters, private ownership, decisions of private individuals, discriminating is not illegal, stupid yes but not illegal.

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Are you sure about that? I feel pretty confident that if a private business owner came out and said "Yeah I fired John Doe because he's Asian/old/Christian/pick your protected class", then he can be held legally responsible.

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Yes I am 10000% confident about that. Sure he may lose in a feel-good / messaging lower court of law or even an appeals court but it would take SCOTUS about 10 seconds to affirm that business owners rights. Totally different when you are talking about "public" companies, civil/government, and large organizations, etc.

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Civil Rights Act if 1964 wouldn't factor in here?

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what a dumb dumb- he was all but guranteed a HC job or DC job until his worthless lawsuit

enjoy the HBC failed coaches circuit

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It may be a short term detriment to him, but I suspect it might be a good idea to withhold judgement because if this thing gets to a point where there's some discovery done with regards to some of these hires, I could invision a scenario that is horrifically bad for the NFL.

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MookieBlaylock said:

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what a dumb dumb- he was all but guranteed a HC job or DC job until his worthless lawsuit

enjoy the HBC failed coaches circuit

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It may be a short term detriment to him, but I suspect it might be a good idea to withhold judgement because if this thing gets to a point where there's some discovery done with regards to some of these hires, I could invision a scenario that is horrifically bad for the NFL.

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Maybe. But even assuming for the sake of argument that people were discriminating against him when making these decisions, I'd be surprised if anyone is putting it in writing after what happened to Gruden. The league is full of dumb dumbs, but that would take the cake.

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Macarthur said:

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MookieBlaylock said:

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what a dumb dumb- he was all but guranteed a HC job or DC job until his worthless lawsuit

enjoy the HBC failed coaches circuit

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It may be a short term detriment to him, but I suspect it might be a good idea to withhold judgement because if this thing gets to a point where there's some discovery done with regards to some of these hires, I could invision a scenario that is horrifically bad for the NFL.

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Maybe. But even assuming for the sake of argument that people were discriminating against him when making these decisions, I'd be surprised if anyone is putting it in writing after what happened to Gruden. The league is full of dumb dumbs, but that would take the cake.

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You kinda answered your own question there....lol.

The league is not full of a bunch of Stanford grads. But who knows what some folks may have kept copies of...

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Macarthur said:

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MookieBlaylock said:

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what a dumb dumb- he was all but guranteed a HC job or DC job until his worthless lawsuit

enjoy the HBC failed coaches circuit

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It may be a short term detriment to him, but I suspect it might be a good idea to withhold judgement because if this thing gets to a point where there's some discovery done with regards to some of these hires, I could invision a scenario that is horrifically bad for the NFL.

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Maybe. But even assuming for the sake of argument that people were discriminating against him when making these decisions, I'd be surprised if anyone is putting it in writing after what happened to Gruden. The league is full of dumb dumbs, but that would take the cake.

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You kinda answered your own question there....lol.

The league is not full of a bunch of Stanford grads. But who knows what some folks may have kept copies of...

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Let's just say if people with millions to lose are still putting that kind of stuff in writing after Gruden, it will exceed even my low opinion of them. We'll see.

MookieBlaylock said:

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what a dumb dumb- he was all but guranteed a HC job or DC job until his worthless lawsuit

enjoy the HBC failed coaches circuit

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Not sure if anyone here has watched the most recent Real Sports w Bryant Gumble. He talks to Flores and it got my attention that he refused to sign an agreement to keep quite and left millions of dollars on the table. You have to respect the fact that he walked away from a crap ton of money and an uncertain future in the league because he believes there is a problem. This will be fascinating to watch.

Also interesting that when asked about the being told to lose games, his attorneys said they have proof of those claims.

It actually seems like a dumb move if he thinks these guys were discriminatory and violated his civil rights, because the NDA wouldn't be enforceable anyway. You can't use NDA's to shut down whistleblowers, and in fact, asking for it can actually work against the company as evidence of anti-whistle blower behavior and just dig their hole deeper.

And the sloppy, ridiculous accusation he made against the Broncos undermines any credibility i would have considered giving him

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MookieBlaylock said:

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what a dumb dumb- he was all but guranteed a HC job or DC job until his worthless lawsuit

enjoy the HBC failed coaches circuit

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Not sure if anyone here has watched the most recent Real Sports w Bryant Gumble. He talks to Flores and it got my attention that he refused to sign an agreement to keep quite and left millions of dollars on the table. You have to respect the fact that he walked away from a crap ton of money and an uncertain future in the league because he believes there is a problem. This will be fascinating to watch.

Also interesting that when asked about the being told to lose games, his attorneys said they have proof of those claims.

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Keep quiet about what? -That detail is kinda a big deal. He's made multiple, and completely different, claims against multiple people and teams.

My guess is he was offered a fairly routine non-disparagement agreement by the Dolphins as a PR move upon separation. But I highly doubt this has anything to do with racial discrimination (they did make him the face of their franchise by age 36, seems like an odd move for a bunch of racists).

The GM that fired him is black

And winning the last 2 games cost them Joe Beureaux and then he signes off on Tua over Herbert

MookieBlaylock said:

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The GM that fired him is black

And winning the last 2 games cost them Joe Beureaux and then he signes off on Tua over Herbert

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It is just fascinating isn't it?

Flores was fired for being a stubborn moron.

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Jarrin' Jay said:

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Lastly, like it or not, and no matter what the government says about it, a person can absolutely discriminate if they choose to. It is not right, moral, or ethical, but is it NOT illegal. Most would not come out and say it, but even if you did, it is not illegal and the government can't do anything about it nor could the NFL. Much like there is confusion over 1st amendment arguments, there is confusion on this topic / legality as well. In the public sphere the government can pass laws, when it comes to private matters, private ownership, decisions of private individuals, discriminating is not illegal, stupid yes but not illegal.

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Are you sure about that? I feel pretty confident that if a private business owner came out and said "Yeah I fired John Doe because he's Asian/old/Christian/pick your protected class", then he can be held legally responsible.

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Yes I am 10000% confident about that. Sure he may lose in a feel-good / messaging lower court of law or even an appeals court but it would take SCOTUS about 10 seconds to affirm that business owners rights. Totally different when you are talking about "public" companies, civil/government, and large organizations, etc.

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I won't get into the legal merits of a discrimination claim because that is not my practice area, but your opinion on how the court system works is terrible. The U.S. and Texas Supreme Courts are courts of discretionary jurisdiction, which means they don't have to take your case. The Texas Supreme Court only grants review in about 3% of the cases brought before it. The idea that you can just get the Supreme Court to correct any errors by a lower court is laughable. And that's setting aside the couple hundred grand you would have spent by the time you got there. Please don't give legal advice on the internet.

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Your critique on the legal issues is 100% accurate but he did not give legal advice. Only an opinion.

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Jarrin' Jay said:

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Lastly, like it or not, and no matter what the government says about it, a person can absolutely discriminate if they choose to. It is not right, moral, or ethical, but is it NOT illegal. Most would not come out and say it, but even if you did, it is not illegal and the government can't do anything about it nor could the NFL. Much like there is confusion over 1st amendment arguments, there is confusion on this topic / legality as well. In the public sphere the government can pass laws, when it comes to private matters, private ownership, decisions of private individuals, discriminating is not illegal, stupid yes but not illegal.

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Are you sure about that? I feel pretty confident that if a private business owner came out and said "Yeah I fired John Doe because he's Asian/old/Christian/pick your protected class", then he can be held legally responsible.

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Yes I am 10000% confident about that. Sure he may lose in a feel-good / messaging lower court of law or even an appeals court but it would take SCOTUS about 10 seconds to affirm that business owners rights. Totally different when you are talking about "public" companies, civil/government, and large organizations, etc.

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I won't get into the legal merits of a discrimination claim because that is not my practice area, but your opinion on how the court system works is terrible. The U.S. and Texas Supreme Courts are courts of discretionary jurisdiction, which means they don't have to take your case. The Texas Supreme Court only grants review in about 3% of the cases brought before it. The idea that you can just get the Supreme Court to correct any errors by a lower court is laughable. And that's setting aside the couple hundred grand you would have spent by the time you got there. Please don't give legal advice on the internet.

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Your critique on the legal issues is 100% accurate but he did not give legal advice. Only an opinion.

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Opinions on the merits of a legal claim is legal advice. Any legal advice I, or any lawyer, gives is rarely absolute fact. It's your opinion of the facts to the applicable law.

Beginning this season, all 32 teams will employ a diverse person to serve as an offensive assistant. This person will work closely with the HC and offensive staff to gain experience.

With many HC hires being on the offensive side, league believes this could help in the future.

— Ari Meirov (@MySportsUpdate) March 28, 2022

Steelers owner Art Rooney on the new diverse offensive coach requirement: "It's a recognition at the moment, when you look at the steppingstones for a head coach, they're our coordinator positions, and there's clearly a trend with those coaches coming from the offensive side."

— Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) March 28, 2022

Jarrin Jay legal takes are impressively terrible.