So I've been in a fantasy league with my buddies since high school. Other than one guy in the league, they're not really my best friends and most of the guys I only keep up with because of this league.

One of my favorite aspects of fantasy football is making trades and using your leverage to strengthen your team. On Saturday, I sent an offer of Austin Ekeler and Hunter Henry for Mark Andrews to the guy who is 0-5 and desperate for running back depth. I was surprised when I saw he had accepted the deal Sunday morning. I didn't text him about it or converse with him at all. I just sent the offer in app and that was it.

Seeing the deal was done when I woke up, I called the commissioner to process the trade so I could have Andrews ready to go Sunday. He went ahead and did and I went about my day.

I get out of church around 5:30 to see my phone has blown up about Dak snapping his leg (Dak is my QB in every league rip) and my league mates losing their minds about the trade being processed so quickly, how it was unfair, and calling me a cheater.

I called the commissioner (who is my best friend in the league and a groomsman in my wedding) and he said the trade was fair and he'd uphold it. The league continued to text and whine about the trade and how it was "unfair". I maintained that veto power should only be used for collusion or cheating. Not trades that are one sided.

The commissioner finally caved and said on Tuesday, he will edit my score to reflect that I didn't have Mark Andrews and then nullify the trade. He also removed me from the group message so they could come to a solution without me and temporarily locked my access from my team.

This feels all kinds of wrong to me. I feel disrespected and this is honestly the most angry I've ever been about something so trivial. I know you guys see how much I post on here so y'all probably understand that fantasy means a lot to me. It's a fun hobby and escape for me I told them I want out and that this will be my last season. Does that feel like overdoing it on my end? I tried explain to my wife and my dad and neither of them get it since they're not into fantasy.

Yup. It's nonsense. Veto power should be reserved for clear collusion only. We set the league up in high school, as I said, so some of the rules are just the basic ESPN settings that were never gotten around to updating.

The problem is processing the trade before the agreed deadline. If that doesn't happen, none of the rest of this happens. Why would he speed up the agreed process?

I asked him to since the trade was agreed upon and I wanted to play Andrews this week, but he did the same thing for a trade where an owner flipped Cam Newton for Ronald Jones and Mike Geisicki on Thursday morning prior to TNF.

They were more butthurt about the trade being "uneven" than they were the timing of it, I think.

ALSO, with Mark Andrews being removed from my team, I assume I will take the point total from Hunter Henry or Jonnu Smith. Should I declare one of them my starter now or should I wait until after the Tuesday game and see what happens? I want to let the commish come to me, but I think the guys in my league are too stupid to even think of that since this is such an odd scenario.

Sounds like you are in the phase where you are about to ween off FF.

I went from a dynasty fantasy football and baseball player to current season fantasy football player only to now I do a daily fantasy pool weekly with a bunch of loose acquaintances and weekly pick 'em pools and that's it.

I went from caring a lot about back and forths like the ones you mention above to not giving a **** about any of them and I stepped way back on it all because life is too busy for disputes like this one. If this is the only way you keep up with friends in HS from 10 years ago and these are the most active convos you have with them? Then cut ties and find new friends.

Football is way more fun not playing FF and I realized after I stopped playing how annoying it is to watch football with somebody who does play and lacks self awareness and drones on and on about their teams on Sundays. Hence, I had started making a point to watch NFL only with others who don't play FF either.

If I was getting ready to play you in FFL and I had looked at your lineup a few times during the week, then come Sunday you were suddenly starting one of the top 2-3 TEs in the league who wasn't on your roster the day before and wasn't on the waiver wire, I'd be pissed off too.

To the rest of the league, it looked like you fleeced an 0-5 dummy into a terrible trade - and with Ekeler's injury, let's face it, it's a really bad trade - the day before all the games, then somehow wooed the commissioner into getting it approved before anyone could protest it. You don't see a lot FFL trades agreed to on a Sunday morning, everyone is making sure their own guys are playing and checking injury updates, not looking at movements from the rest of the league.

The commissioner is the one who should be getting reamed - he bent the rules and allowed something to happen that should not have happened. If you were about to play someone who was starting David Johnson at running back when you checked their roster on Saturday, then suddenly they had Alvin Kamara going against you Sunday because the commisioner put through a lopsided trade, wouldn't you be pissed too?

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Sounds like you are in the phase where you are about to ween off FF.

I went from a dynasty fantasy football and baseball player to current season fantasy football player only to now I do a daily fantasy pool weekly with a bunch of loose acquaintances and weekly pick 'em pools and that's it.

I went from caring a lot about back and forths like the ones you mention above to not giving a **** about any of them and I stepped way back on it all because life is too busy for disputes like this one. If this is the only way you keep up with friends in HS from 10 years ago and these are the most active convos you have with them? Then cut ties and find new friends.

Football is way more fun not playing FF and I realized after I stopped playing how annoying it is to watch football with somebody who does play and lacks self awareness and drones on and on about their teams on Sundays. Hence, I had started making a point to watch NFL only with others who don't play FF either.

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I think that is what I am headed towards...I haven't had the urge to check fantasypros and didn't care to listen to any fantasy podcasts on the way to work like I normally do.

Yeah I have a good group of friends that I hangout with, but none of them are interested in fantasy so that is all most of those guys really were to me. I won't really miss most of them all that much.

You're probably right there too. I think I was the annoying guy last night around the family, so probably good to ween off of FF as you said.

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If I was getting ready to play you in FFL and I had looked at your lineup a few times during the week, then come Sunday you were suddenly starting one of the top 2-3 TEs in the league who wasn't on your roster the day before and wasn't on the waiver wire, I'd be pissed off too.

To the rest of the league, it looked like you fleeced an 0-5 dummy into a terrible trade - and with Ekeler's injury, let's face it, it's a really bad trade - the day before all the games, then somehow wooed the commissioner into getting it approved before anyone could protest it. You don't see a lot FFL trades agreed to on a Sunday morning, everyone is making sure their own guys are playing and checking injury updates, not looking at movements from the rest of the league.

The commissioner is the one who should be getting reamed - he bent the rules and allowed something to happen that should not have happened. If you were about to play someone who was starting David Johnson at running back when you checked their roster on Saturday, then suddenly they had Alvin Kamara going against you Sunday because the commisioner put through a lopsided trade, wouldn't you be pissed too?

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I definitely hear what you are saying and one of the guys that was leading the charge was my opponent this week. The funny thing is, he did the same thing. He had a trade processed early that gave him Ronald Jones and Mike Gesicki prior to the TNF game. He didn't play Geisicki, but had to start Rojo because Aaron Jones, Melvin Gordon, and AD were all on byes. His only RB was Justin Jackson. I think the upgrade from JJ to Rojo's 14 points will probably be more than whatever Jonnu/Hunter Henry is to Mark Andrews' 14.6 points.

I honestly didn't think the trade was THAT bad. I was actually really nervous about losing Ekeler who has top 10 RB potential, but I definitely have been known to overvalue RBs.

If you were me, would you reach out to commish and declare Hunter Henry/Jonnu my starter prior to the MNF or let that play out and then force him to deal with whatever I choose after the fact when he goes in to edit my score? The game is close enough because of Dak breaking his ankle that this could impact this week's outcome.

You mean the same Austin Ekeler that got placed on IR the day before? Huh? What is going on in this thread, that is an absurd trade.

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You mean the same Austin Ekeler that got placed on IR the day before? Huh? What is going on in this thread, that is an absurd trade.

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IR can be as short as three weeks this year because of COVID. The Chargers were debating even giving him that designation. Regardless, a 24 year old man is capable of reading that Ekeler was on IR, processing that mentally, and choosing to accept or decline that trade.

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You mean the same Austin Ekeler that got placed on IR the day before? Huh? What is going on in this thread, that is an absurd trade.

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IR can be as short as three weeks this year because of COVID. The Chargers were debating even giving him that designation. Regardless, a 24 year old man is capable of reading that Ekeler was on IR, processing that mentally, and choosing to accept or decline that trade.

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0-5 guy? Giving up a stud for an injured player? Best friends with league commissioner?

My first thought would be collusion. Nobody gives up a really good player for someone that just got put on IR.

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You mean the same Austin Ekeler that got placed on IR the day before? Huh? What is going on in this thread, that is an absurd trade.

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IR can be as short as three weeks this year because of COVID. The Chargers were debating even giving him that designation. Regardless, a 24 year old man is capable of reading that Ekeler was on IR, processing that mentally, and choosing to accept or decline that trade.

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0-5 guy? Giving up a stud for an injured player? Best friends with league commissioner?

My first thought would be collusion. Nobody gives up a really good player for someone that just got put on IR.

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The guy that accepted the trade and I are not close and he is the one that decided to make the trade, not the commissioner. The guy that accepted the trade isn't the brightest light in the room.

I would be pissed off about that scenario, but I would only be upset with the commish and have lived with it in my league because things like that just happen sometimes. Honestly I've seen a lot of established leagues that are dying slow deaths lately. I've been in one for 12 or so years now and there are so many people who want their way for everything (draft, draft time, draft type, trade windows, waiver windows) and constantly *****, but then they regularly forgot to adjust something here or there and whine to allow them to change a lineup (or lately a few who completely zone out for 2 weeks and forget to adjust their lineups which throws off the balance in the league for week to week matchups). I've been talking with the commish and he's to the point of annoyance that he's contemplating just purging 3/4 of the league next year.

Also, I don't think there's been a trade in our league in 3 years as the most of the people in our league won't make one unless it is crazy one sided.

I just think the personal leagues are going away as mentioned here, it's not as important anymore, and most have moved to that ADD version of gambling and try to bring it back into the league.

Removing you from the group message is probably a little too far. The trade is heavily one-sided and I think you know that. It's the gray area where you are certainly picking on the worst team/owner and he likely doesn't care much at this point so he said screw it and accepted. The root cause of 90% of fantasy drama is people that don't care or pay attention.

I also am a firm believer that the veto should be reserved for when people suspect foul play. Who's to say that guy didn't really think that move was the best move for his team? The rest of the league can't police how each individual member runs his team. That said, I don't think it's crazy for the league to suspect foul play here whether or not any actually took place. The optics are bad. But a man shouldn't veto a trade because he thinks it's a bad trade.

Commish should have asked the league if it was cool to push the deal through first of all, but that would've just started the **** storm a lot sooner. He also shouldn't have changed his mind - make a decision and stick to it. I don't know if it's worth leaving the league if you enjoy that league and you have a good chance to win it consistently. Money is money. I've had plenty of trades vetoed because I was in first and the league thought it favored my team, and I didn't leave the league. The trade should probably stand, but if it doesn't then just move on.

Yeah I think that I am more bothered by the backlash and response from everyone than I am the trade itself being vetoed. My team is great with or without Andrews. I'll probably take a pause from fantasy after this or find a new league.

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Removing you from the group message is probably a little too far. The trade is heavily one-sided and I think you know that. It's the gray area where you are certainly picking on the worst team/owner and he likely doesn't care much at this point so he said screw it and accepted. The root cause of 90% of fantasy drama is people that don't care or pay attention.

I also am a firm believer that the veto should be reserved for when people suspect foul play. Who's to say that guy didn't really think that move was the best move for his team? The rest of the league can't police how each individual member runs his team. That said, I don't think it's crazy for the league to suspect foul play here whether or not any actually took place. The optics are bad. But a man shouldn't veto a trade because he thinks it's a bad trade.

Commish should have asked the league if it was cool to push the deal through first of all, but that would've just started the **** storm a lot sooner. He also shouldn't have changed his mind - make a decision and stick to it. I don't know if it's worth leaving the league if you enjoy that league and you have a good chance to win it consistently. Money is money. I've had plenty of trades vetoed because I was in first and the league thought it favored my team, and I didn't leave the league. The trade should probably stand, but if it doesn't then just move on.

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Money is money. No offense man but how much are you playing for? Now take whatever 1st, 2nd and 3rd is and extrapolate that over how much hours, time and whatnot you do on FF.

Unless you are either really poor or play for some nuts sum, I guarantee you you'll look at that calculation and realize that the money probably isn't worth it if it just isn't very fun.

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Removing you from the group message is probably a little too far. The trade is heavily one-sided and I think you know that. It's the gray area where you are certainly picking on the worst team/owner and he likely doesn't care much at this point so he said screw it and accepted. The root cause of 90% of fantasy drama is people that don't care or pay attention.

I also am a firm believer that the veto should be reserved for when people suspect foul play. Who's to say that guy didn't really think that move was the best move for his team? The rest of the league can't police how each individual member runs his team. That said, I don't think it's crazy for the league to suspect foul play here whether or not any actually took place. The optics are bad. But a man shouldn't veto a trade because he thinks it's a bad trade.

Commish should have asked the league if it was cool to push the deal through first of all, but that would've just started the **** storm a lot sooner. He also shouldn't have changed his mind - make a decision and stick to it. I don't know if it's worth leaving the league if you enjoy that league and you have a good chance to win it consistently. Money is money. I've had plenty of trades vetoed because I was in first and the league thought it favored my team, and I didn't leave the league. The trade should probably stand, but if it doesn't then just move on.

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Money is money. No offense man but how much are you playing for? Now take whatever 1st, 2nd and 3rd is and extrapolate that over how much hours, time and whatnot you do on FF.

Unless you are either really poor or play for some nuts sum, I guarantee you you'll look at that calculation and realize that the money probably isn't worth it if it just isn't very fun.

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Fair point but I would argue this one situation OP is dealing with doesn't destroy the fun of the entire league. Sounds like if it doesn't work out it'll be forgotten in a week - at least it would be for me. And for an hour or so of my time every week for 15 weeks or so with the chance of winning what is probably around $1000 then yeah I'll take that trade.

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Yeah I think that I am more bothered by the backlash and response from everyone than I am the trade itself being vetoed. My team is great with or without Andrews. I'll probably take a pause from fantasy after this or find a new league.

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Sounds like it was handled poorly by everyone. I'm generally not a fan of guys that get all up in arms over a trade anyway. If the guy made the trade and there's no collusion then it should probably go through.

We also have a rule in my leagues that there's no trading with dudes that are mathematically eliminated from the playoffs to avoid these issues. I realize that's not quite the case just yet for that guy, but if he was 3-2 it'd be a different story I imagine.

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Yeah I think that I am more bothered by the backlash and response from everyone than I am the trade itself being vetoed. My team is great with or without Andrews. I'll probably take a pause from fantasy after this or find a new league.

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Sounds like it was handled poorly by everyone. I'm generally not a fan of guys that get all up in arms over a trade anyway. If the guy made the trade and there's no collusion then it should probably go through.

We also have a rule in my leagues that there's no trading with dudes that are mathematically eliminated from the playoffs to avoid these issues. I realize that's not quite the case just yet for that guy, but if he was 3-2 it'd be a different story I imagine.

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Yeah it definitely was.

I think that is a good rule, I also like the idea of not allowing teams that are eliminated from playoffs to make waiver claims during the playoffs or last few weeks. I am sure it would've been different since a bench stash of Ekeler would be much more useful for a team that isn't barely afloat.

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Removing you from the group message is probably a little too far. The trade is heavily one-sided and I think you know that. It's the gray area where you are certainly picking on the worst team/owner and he likely doesn't care much at this point so he said screw it and accepted. The root cause of 90% of fantasy drama is people that don't care or pay attention.

I also am a firm believer that the veto should be reserved for when people suspect foul play. Who's to say that guy didn't really think that move was the best move for his team? The rest of the league can't police how each individual member runs his team. That said, I don't think it's crazy for the league to suspect foul play here whether or not any actually took place. The optics are bad. But a man shouldn't veto a trade because he thinks it's a bad trade.

Commish should have asked the league if it was cool to push the deal through first of all, but that would've just started the **** storm a lot sooner. He also shouldn't have changed his mind - make a decision and stick to it. I don't know if it's worth leaving the league if you enjoy that league and you have a good chance to win it consistently. Money is money. I've had plenty of trades vetoed because I was in first and the league thought it favored my team, and I didn't leave the league. The trade should probably stand, but if it doesn't then just move on.

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Money is money. No offense man but how much are you playing for? Now take whatever 1st, 2nd and 3rd is and extrapolate that over how much hours, time and whatnot you do on FF.

Unless you are either really poor or play for some nuts sum, I guarantee you you'll look at that calculation and realize that the money probably isn't worth it if it just isn't very fun.

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Fair point but I would argue this one situation OP is dealing with doesn't destroy the fun of the entire league. Sounds like if it doesn't work out it'll be forgotten in a week - at least it would be for me. And for an hour or so of my time every week for 15 weeks or so with the chance of winning what is probably around $1000 then yeah I'll take that trade.

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Eh... for just a chance? Not worth it.

Ultimately, the fundamental problem I had with fantasy football is most leagues are the same. If you've got a 12 team league, there are probably 5 in it who give a **** and probably 3 of them will be legit contenders, 2 will have unlucky seasons and 7 people will be in it who won't give 2 damns after week 3 or 4 and of those 7, probably 3-4 got coerced into playing but don't REALLY want to play but would rather just hang around so to speak. The top 5 won't trade with each other because they don't want the others who know what they are doing to think they are dumb so they all just try to fleece the bottom 7 who stop caring and if it gets too uneven, whether or not a trade happens or not just becomes a big popularity and who can be the noisiest contest.

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Removing you from the group message is probably a little too far. The trade is heavily one-sided and I think you know that. It's the gray area where you are certainly picking on the worst team/owner and he likely doesn't care much at this point so he said screw it and accepted. The root cause of 90% of fantasy drama is people that don't care or pay attention.

I also am a firm believer that the veto should be reserved for when people suspect foul play. Who's to say that guy didn't really think that move was the best move for his team? The rest of the league can't police how each individual member runs his team. That said, I don't think it's crazy for the league to suspect foul play here whether or not any actually took place. The optics are bad. But a man shouldn't veto a trade because he thinks it's a bad trade.

Commish should have asked the league if it was cool to push the deal through first of all, but that would've just started the **** storm a lot sooner. He also shouldn't have changed his mind - make a decision and stick to it. I don't know if it's worth leaving the league if you enjoy that league and you have a good chance to win it consistently. Money is money. I've had plenty of trades vetoed because I was in first and the league thought it favored my team, and I didn't leave the league. The trade should probably stand, but if it doesn't then just move on.

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Money is money. No offense man but how much are you playing for? Now take whatever 1st, 2nd and 3rd is and extrapolate that over how much hours, time and whatnot you do on FF.

Unless you are either really poor or play for some nuts sum, I guarantee you you'll look at that calculation and realize that the money probably isn't worth it if it just isn't very fun.

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Fair point but I would argue this one situation OP is dealing with doesn't destroy the fun of the entire league. Sounds like if it doesn't work out it'll be forgotten in a week - at least it would be for me. And for an hour or so of my time every week for 15 weeks or so with the chance of winning what is probably around $1000 then yeah I'll take that trade.

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Eh... for just a chance? Not worth it.

Ultimately, the fundamental problem I had with fantasy football is most leagues are the same. If you've got a 12 team league, there are probably 5 in it who give a **** and probably 3 of them will be legit contenders, 2 will have unlucky seasons and 7 people will be in it who won't give 2 damns after week 3 or 4 and of those 7, probably 3-4 got coerced into playing but don't REALLY want to play but would rather just hang around so to speak. The top 5 won't trade with each other because they don't want the others who know what they are doing to think they are dumb so they all just try to fleece the bottom 7 who stop caring and if it gets too uneven, whether or not a trade happens or not just becomes a big popularity and who can be the noisiest contest.

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To each his own.

The day we put a $$ penalty on being lowest point scorer each week was the best thing for our league.
No need to review trades and just let them automatically process.

All that whining about me getting Mark Andrews just to have Jonnu Smith outscore him. His score will be added to my final tally instead of Jonnu's hahaha karma is a ....

I missed that you had Jonnu Smith. He's going to be a solid option going forward in my opinion. Surely not as good as Andrews but definitely a good TE1.

The guys that were the primary agitators in shutting that trade down after the fact just did a deal to move Derrick Henry for Melvin Gordon straight up. It got vetoed in minutes, but laughable that they lose their minds over my trade and try to act like that is fair.

Yeah that seems pretty dumb. I can tell I'd hate the league too if I was in it.

It was purely to agitate me. I honestly was more amused than annoyed, I knew it would get shot down after the precedence they set. I'm not gonna let this crap bother me anymore and I think that'll bother them.

The guy that was the most butthurt (the same guy who traded away Derrick Henry earlier in the trade that was vetoed and is 1-4) just traded the original Andrews owner Jared Cook, David Johnson, and Devonta Freeman for Mark Andrews and Nick Chubb.

Your high school friends sound like morons

They are!

The two primary agitators (who are both 1-4) just traded:

Stefon Diggs and Robby Anderson for Mike Evans and Justin Jackson...that is far more uneven than the freaking trade I made.

Even worse, the commissioner approved it in six minutes. What. On. Earth.