Jerome Solomon he's a blow hard but it was a good way to illustrate just how many fans they are losing

The question to me is why now?

They've been a joke for years and it's the literally the same song and dance year in and year out.

This is nothing new.

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The question to me is why now?

They've been a joke for years and it's the literally the same song and dance year in and year out.

This is nothing new.

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They are at a low point, even for them. There is a crisis of confidence at every level of the organization, which I'm not sure you could say before.

Throw in no high-end talent to build around and no draft capital the last couple years and here we are.

Edit-or to put it another way, in prior years, there was always some way to talk yourself into them improving. Now, maybe that was just cockeyed optimism (which was Billy Mumphry's downfall), but it could be done. Really hard to talk yourself into that now.

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The good old days of watching David Carr become a human piñata.

610 and Monday morning excuse making.

Good times...

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Unfortunately, I was right there eating it up.

But there were a lot more reasons to be optimistic back then. Carr was a young, No. 1 pick QB. Just took AJ No. 3. Domanick Davis looking like a good young back.

From a potential standpoint, that team looks lightyears better than this one.

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Ag_07 said:

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The question to me is why now?

They've been a joke for years and it's the literally the same song and dance year in and year out.

This is nothing new.

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They are at a low point, even for them. There is a crisis of confidence at every level of the organization, which I'm not sure you could say before.

Throw in no high-end talent to build around and no draft capital the last couple years and here we are.

Edit-or to put it another way, in prior years, there was always some way to talk yourself into them improving. Now, maybe that was just cockeyed optimism (which was Billy Mumphry's downfall), but it could be done. Really hard to talk yourself into that now.

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The only way to be optimistic is to view the team with no expectations for 3-4 years and hope Caserio builds them into a developing team around the end of that period. No one expects the team to win. No one expects Culley to be the coach long term - he is a glorified culture coach to reset the team culture to what "leadership" wants it to be. In many ways, the team is constructed in a way that no one expects to be here long term, but it behooves everybody individually to try for success because its an opportunity for the next step.

Caserio is the only one to place hope in. Maybe he can build a team to have success despite the other issues in the building. Not optimistic, though.

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Sucks that Hard Knocks went with the Cowboys. I'd love to see the camera crew filming interactions between Easterby and Watson

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A new HC exempts you from being selected.

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So does drawing about 20 people. Unless HBO has a death wish, there is literally no reason for them to pick the Texans.

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I had season tickets in 2002 and last paid to see a game in maybe 2011. I have gotten so many emails from the Texans about "Hey we miss you!" "Come back to the fun!" and "It's a whole new ball game!" since April, I shudder to think what their numbers must look like on ticket sales.

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There was an article in the chron on this a couple weeks back. I don't remember the specifics exactly, but the gist was one of their reporters put his name on the waiting list about a decade ago. As of a couple years ago, still had 12,000 in front of him. 7,000 ahead of him earlier this year, but then he was offered tickets a few weeks later.

Sounds like they've blown through a decade's worth of waiting list in a couple months.

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Sounds like we might be headed back to the Oiler era of home blackouts. That was always the bonus of being an Oiler fan at A&M, College Station was 3 miles outside th blackout range.

It sounded like medical/health stuff. They left the door open for him to come back.

They are desperate. Dumb move.

#Texans announce training camp schedule with some major changes regarding fans:

“New this year, public practices will be open exclusively to Season Ticket Members as a benefit for their support of the Houston Texans.”

— Vanessa Richardson (@SportsVanessa) July 14, 2021

GD, I hate the Titans...

Dumb move or they know those are the only fans that may show up for camp?

Based on how Culley treated off-season work outs, I'm pretty sure they aren't going to have meaningful practices either. I doubt the team has any secrets to hide and they will basically try to wing it all season long.

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Dumb move or they know those are the only fans that may show up for camp?

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Maybe they don't want the general public to show up and voice their disgust

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This. They probably think that the season ticket holders would create a less toxic environment.

Plenty to get upset about with this team, but I'm not sure what you mean by how Culley treated off-season workouts.

By all accounts, they are desperately trying to sell season tickets. The waitlist has dwindled to no one. I think this is just a desperate attempt to sell more tickets, by attaching the added benefit of getting to go to practice. Silly in my opinion, maybe even delusional. But I think that is all it is.

Didnt' they call OTAs? Maybe that's what he is referring to?

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Plenty to get upset about with this team, but I'm not sure what you mean by how Culley treated off-season workouts.

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Culley basically did a 10 days of OTAs and then canceled the mandatory minicamp saying they accomplished all their goals.

It's a last place team with potentially a new QB and a new offensive system. I can't imagine why he didn't think his team needed extra work.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31598892/houston-texans-cancel-mandatory-three-day-minicamp

No they did OTAs. They cancelled the 3 day mini camp because the players met certain conditions by the end of OTAs. I don't have a problem with the staff keeping their end of the deal, but others do I suppose.

OTAs aren't mandatory. Get 10 days of work in and have a longer break, or get 3 days of work in with a shorter break. I think that was the general idea behind the deal.

Fair point. Still don't think they should have been making deals on that though.

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OTAs aren't mandatory. Get 10 days of work in and have a longer break, or get 3 days of work in with a shorter break. I think that was the general idea behind the deal.

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Not a single team that made the divisional round cancelled their mini camp. Not even the Ravens, Culleys former team. The only playoff team to cancel their mini camp was the colts. The other 3 were last place teams. There are few arguments that would convince me that the Texans have some how found a cutting edge the rest of the NFL elite has missed.

The team needs extra work. They were awful last year.

LOL. Another email about another Texans open house and opportunity to meet with season ticket agents, blah blah blah. That's the fourth one I've gotten, and each one makes it sound like it's the last chance to get in on the action. Hard Times on Kirby, I guess.

training camp opens in 2 weeks!

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OTAs aren't mandatory. Get 10 days of work in and have a longer break, or get 3 days of work in with a shorter break. I think that was the general idea behind the deal.

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Not a single team that made the divisional round cancelled their mini camp. Not even the Ravens, Culleys former team. The only playoff team to cancel their mini camp was the colts. The other 3 were last place teams. There are few arguments that would convince me that the Texans have some how found a cutting edge the rest of the NFL elite has missed.

The team needs extra work. They were awful last year.

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Well, yeah you are right they stink. I don't think cancelling mini camp was an attempt to convince the fans that they tapped into some secret. I think it was an attempt to endear the coaching staff to the players. To send a message that the staff can be trusted. Not sure it's going to pay off, and I doubt it has any bearing on this coming season.

I think in reality, with all the new players most would have shown up for OTAs anyway. But they made a commitment and stuck to it.