Bunk Moreland said:
And I'll agree to disagree with your obvious hyperbole
No need to rewrite history. It was easy to call live, and more obvious on replay.birdman said:
I think it was pass interference. But it was split second, not the flagrant mistake that everybody is making it out to be. It just happened at critical time.
Saints had home cooking for most of the game. I also think they got a make up call in overtime.
birdman said:
I think it was pass interference. But it was split second, not the flagrant mistake that everybody is making it out to be. It just happened at critical time.
Saints had home cooking for most of the game. I also think they got a make up call in overtime.
Bunk Moreland said:
Nah. Pitt found a handful of bizarre ways to lose other games this year. I actually don't blame missing the playoffs on that game. And that's the point. Too many other things happened in the season for them and the game for the Saints to sit there and act like it came down to that play.
Run the ball on 1st down like every other coach and dont be cute and you're making plans for Atlanta. Instead you're crying about humans making a mistake on a fast moving bang bang play.
Agnzona said:
All true just as it also true that if that PI is called they win.
Let's use the logic I've seen applied to the Saints so many times with these "still had a chance to win" comments. The Rams still had two plays from inside the 2-yard line after that. Missing something that happened for a split second left the Rams with two more chances to go six feet. Missing something that everyone in the stadium saw resulted in the Saints kicking on 4th and 10.htxag09 said:
But what if they call a face mask on goff's run the previous drive?
There's no horse collar rule for tackling the quarterback inside the pocket. I've seen this play mentioned on a few threads (and maybe it's you every time - I haven't noticed if so). It's a weak example that should be pulled from your rant, as it just makes it seem like you don't know the rules.Quote:
What if they called the horse collar on Goff on a third down sack in the second half?
The Rams got away with two of them as well. And a third play where instead of a delay of game or the resulting incomplete pass (on third down no less), the Rams were awarded a gift timeout. If you know how delay of game is called, you shouldn't have a problem with these. The back judge watches the play clock, and when it hits zero, he turns his attention to the ball. If it's been snapped by the time he picks up the center, there is no flag. The ball is frequently snapped during that split second, which is technically after the play clock hits zero. Every team gets away with it, and both teams got away with it on Sunday. This is one where stopping the video on the exact frame where the clock hits zero doesn't mean much. You could do that three of four times per game all season long. Delays are only called when they're obvious, and even casual fans understand that.Quote:
What if they called the multiple delay of games the saints got away with?
It happened once, and he was clearly trying to jump over the player and didn't make it. The Rams have a player who has a history of this sort of thing, but the Saints do not. The still photos that show the Saints foot on the Rams facemask don't show any kind of context and are being used to further a very weak talking point. Even the player on the ground didn't say anything about it to the refs. Ejection? Give me a break. You're not even attempting to be rational at this point.Quote:
What if they called personal fouls (or ejected) the saints defensive linemen who jumped and stepped on tackled rams players on a couple different occasions?
You're really starting to fade here. It's pretty obvious based on your posts that you don't like the Saints - and there's nothing wrong with that.Quote:
What if the saints stadium staff actually did their job and confiscated all the damn whistles (ok, probably doesn't change the game play but saves my sanity)?
Everyone on both sides would be fine with "letting them play" if the final blown call doesn't happen. In fact, it was reported before the game ever began that this crew threw the fewest flags during the regular season. But there's a reason nobody in the press is talking about all the little things that were overlooked throughout the game - they didn't have a direct, immediate impact on the outcome. I'm all for the idea that bad calls happen and they typically even out over the course of a game. But we're only talking about one call today, because that's how bad the last one was, and that's what kind of impact it had on the game. Bringing up all the little ones along the way doesn't accomplish much - they're not in the same league as the last call, which was absolutely unforgivable. Three kneels and a chip shot for the win. It's 99.99% sure the end of the game.Quote:
They let both teams get away with crap all game, they let them play.
No sir. We all saw the other post where someone took the time to put together four screen caps of Saints penalties that weren't called. Actually, one of them was the jumping lineman, so call it three penalties because that play wasn't one. Saints fans can do the same for the Rams if they're so inclined. Two delays, a missed hold on a long third down conversion, a possible grounding call that didn't upset me too much but it was mentioned by the announcers, and a HUGE missed pass interference on third down in the second half that resulted in a Saints punt.Quote:
The saints got away with more than the rams.
Gramercy Riffs said:Let's use the logic I've seen applied to the Saints so many times with these "still had a chance to win" comments. The Rams still had two plays from inside the 2-yard line after that. Missing something that happened for a split second left the Rams with two more chances to go six feet. Missing something that everyone in the stadium saw resulted in the Saints kicking on 4th and 10.htxag09 said:
But what if they call a face mask on goff's run the previous drive?There's no horse collar rule for tackling the quarterback inside the pocket. I've seen this play mentioned on a few threads (and maybe it's you every time - I haven't noticed if so). It's a weak example that should be pulled from your rant, as it just makes it seem like you don't know the rules.Quote:
What if they called the horse collar on Goff on a third down sack in the second half?The Rams got away with two of them as well. And a third play where instead of a delay of game or the resulting incomplete pass (on third down no less), the Rams were awarded a gift timeout. If you know how delay of game is called, you shouldn't have a problem with these. The back judge watches the play clock, and when it hits zero, he turns his attention to the ball. If it's been snapped by the time he picks up the center, there is no flag. The ball is frequently snapped during that split second, which is technically after the play clock hits zero. Every team gets away with it, and both teams got away with it on Sunday. This is one where stopping the video on the exact frame where the clock hits zero doesn't mean much. You could do that three of four times per game all season long. Delays are only called when they're obvious, and even casual fans understand that.Quote:
What if they called the multiple delay of games the saints got away with?It happened once, and he was clearly trying to jump over the player and didn't make it. The Rams have a player who has a history of this sort of thing, but the Saints do not. The still photos that show the Saints foot on the Rams facemask don't show any kind of context and are being used to further a very weak talking point. Even the player on the ground didn't say anything about it to the refs. Ejection? Give me a break. You're not even attempting to be rational at this point.Quote:
What if they called personal fouls (or ejected) the saints defensive linemen who jumped and stepped on tackled rams players on a couple different occasions?You're really starting to fade here. It's pretty obvious based on your posts that you don't like the Saints - and there's nothing wrong with that.Quote:
What if the saints stadium staff actually did their job and confiscated all the damn whistles (ok, probably doesn't change the game play but saves my sanity)?Everyone on both sides would be fine with "letting them play" if the final blown call doesn't happen. In fact, it was reported before the game ever began that this crew threw the fewest flags during the regular season. But there's a reason nobody in the press is talking about all the little things that were overlooked throughout the game - they didn't have a direct, immediate impact on the outcome. I'm all for the idea that bad calls happen and they typically even out over the course of a game. But we're only talking about one call today, because that's how bad the last one was, and that's what kind of impact it had on the game. Bringing up all the little ones along the way doesn't accomplish much - they're not in the same league as the last call, which was absolutely unforgivable. Three kneels and a chip shot for the win. It's 99.99% sure the end of the game.Quote:
They let both teams get away with crap all game, they let them play.No sir. We all saw the other post where someone took the time to put together four screen caps of Saints penalties that weren't called. Actually, one of them was the jumping lineman, so call it three penalties because that play wasn't one. Saints fans can do the same for the Rams if they're so inclined. Two delays, a missed hold on a long third down conversion, a possible grounding call that didn't upset me too much but it was mentioned by the announcers, and a HUGE missed pass interference on third down in the second half that resulted in a Saints punt.Quote:
The saints got away with more than the rams.
Bad calls happen. You know what doesn't usually happen? A bad call that makes the league office apologize within ten minutes. A bad call that has people on the competition committee vowing to make changes to the rule book in the offseason. A bad call that has fans of 31 teams, current and former players, current and former coaches, every sports talk host, and even other refs complaining about it. There's a big clue - how many times do you see refs eat their own? When they make a big deal about a call, you know it's bad. They didn't just miss one call - the league apologized for missing TWO different penalties they should have called on that hit.
There's quite a few people who seem to be okay with this because it happened to the Saints. Tired callbacks to the bounty scandal from ten years ago, a general disdain for Saints fans (or Cajuns/LSU fans), people upset (or jealous?) because the Saints have the coach they wish their team had, and even a bitter Steelers fan who can't get over a call from four weeks ago that doesn't remotely compare to what just happened. Switch the helmets and watch again. Put your team in that position and see how you feel about all those other calls versus the big one at the end. If this kind of screw job can happen to the Saints, it can happen to your team too. Or maybe it already has...
Dez caught the ball. Brady fumbled. The Saints were robbed. NFL officiating is a joke. And this year's Super Bowl is tainted.
This is my only post on this (which is partly the reason for the TL/DR length), so fire away...
None of that is relevant if the blatant PI is called.Quote:
Here are the facts:
1. The Saints never trailed until they lost in overtime
2. The Saints were ahead with 1 minute left in the game.
3. The Saints were ahead with 30 seconds left in the game
4. the saints got the ball first in overtime.
Kellso said:Gramercy Riffs said:Let's use the logic I've seen applied to the Saints so many times with these "still had a chance to win" comments. The Rams still had two plays from inside the 2-yard line after that. Missing something that happened for a split second left the Rams with two more chances to go six feet. Missing something that everyone in the stadium saw resulted in the Saints kicking on 4th and 10.htxag09 said:
But what if they call a face mask on goff's run the previous drive?There's no horse collar rule for tackling the quarterback inside the pocket. I've seen this play mentioned on a few threads (and maybe it's you every time - I haven't noticed if so). It's a weak example that should be pulled from your rant, as it just makes it seem like you don't know the rules.Quote:
What if they called the horse collar on Goff on a third down sack in the second half?The Rams got away with two of them as well. And a third play where instead of a delay of game or the resulting incomplete pass (on third down no less), the Rams were awarded a gift timeout. If you know how delay of game is called, you shouldn't have a problem with these. The back judge watches the play clock, and when it hits zero, he turns his attention to the ball. If it's been snapped by the time he picks up the center, there is no flag. The ball is frequently snapped during that split second, which is technically after the play clock hits zero. Every team gets away with it, and both teams got away with it on Sunday. This is one where stopping the video on the exact frame where the clock hits zero doesn't mean much. You could do that three of four times per game all season long. Delays are only called when they're obvious, and even casual fans understand that.Quote:
What if they called the multiple delay of games the saints got away with?It happened once, and he was clearly trying to jump over the player and didn't make it. The Rams have a player who has a history of this sort of thing, but the Saints do not. The still photos that show the Saints foot on the Rams facemask don't show any kind of context and are being used to further a very weak talking point. Even the player on the ground didn't say anything about it to the refs. Ejection? Give me a break. You're not even attempting to be rational at this point.Quote:
What if they called personal fouls (or ejected) the saints defensive linemen who jumped and stepped on tackled rams players on a couple different occasions?You're really starting to fade here. It's pretty obvious based on your posts that you don't like the Saints - and there's nothing wrong with that.Quote:
What if the saints stadium staff actually did their job and confiscated all the damn whistles (ok, probably doesn't change the game play but saves my sanity)?Everyone on both sides would be fine with "letting them play" if the final blown call doesn't happen. In fact, it was reported before the game ever began that this crew threw the fewest flags during the regular season. But there's a reason nobody in the press is talking about all the little things that were overlooked throughout the game - they didn't have a direct, immediate impact on the outcome. I'm all for the idea that bad calls happen and they typically even out over the course of a game. But we're only talking about one call today, because that's how bad the last one was, and that's what kind of impact it had on the game. Bringing up all the little ones along the way doesn't accomplish much - they're not in the same league as the last call, which was absolutely unforgivable. Three kneels and a chip shot for the win. It's 99.99% sure the end of the game.Quote:
They let both teams get away with crap all game, they let them play.No sir. We all saw the other post where someone took the time to put together four screen caps of Saints penalties that weren't called. Actually, one of them was the jumping lineman, so call it three penalties because that play wasn't one. Saints fans can do the same for the Rams if they're so inclined. Two delays, a missed hold on a long third down conversion, a possible grounding call that didn't upset me too much but it was mentioned by the announcers, and a HUGE missed pass interference on third down in the second half that resulted in a Saints punt.Quote:
The saints got away with more than the rams.
Bad calls happen. You know what doesn't usually happen? A bad call that makes the league office apologize within ten minutes. A bad call that has people on the competition committee vowing to make changes to the rule book in the offseason. A bad call that has fans of 31 teams, current and former players, current and former coaches, every sports talk host, and even other refs complaining about it. There's a big clue - how many times do you see refs eat their own? When they make a big deal about a call, you know it's bad. They didn't just miss one call - the league apologized for missing TWO different penalties they should have called on that hit.
There's quite a few people who seem to be okay with this because it happened to the Saints. Tired callbacks to the bounty scandal from ten years ago, a general disdain for Saints fans (or Cajuns/LSU fans), people upset (or jealous?) because the Saints have the coach they wish their team had, and even a bitter Steelers fan who can't get over a call from four weeks ago that doesn't remotely compare to what just happened. Switch the helmets and watch again. Put your team in that position and see how you feel about all those other calls versus the big one at the end. If this kind of screw job can happen to the Saints, it can happen to your team too. Or maybe it already has...
Dez caught the ball. Brady fumbled. The Saints were robbed. NFL officiating is a joke. And this year's Super Bowl is tainted.
This is my only post on this (which is partly the reason for the TL/DR length), so fire away...
The saints fan whining is getting old. Lets face it. They wanted to win on a technicality. not based on what actually happened on the field.
There is nothing guaranteed that the saints player was going to catch the ball. Was it a missed penalty? Sure it was....but the Saints still had plenty of chances to win the game...and they failed.
Here are the facts:
1. The Saints never trailed until they lost in overtime
2. The Saints were ahead with 1 minute left in the game.
3. The Saints were ahead with 30 seconds left in the game
4. the saints got the ball first in overtime.
5. saints were at home
Despite all that....they still lost.
New Orleans choked that game away on Sunday. Putting it on the officials and one bad call is an attempt to deflect from their team choking away a winnable game to Los Angeles.
The rams had plenty of poor calls go against them....and if the face mask penalty is called the Rams are most likely winning 24-20 instead of the game being tied.
True but that assumes the defender was in the right position and knew the pass was under thrown. If the defender turns and slows to look for the ball and it is not under thrown it is a touchdown. The defender even said that in an interview.Old Tom Morris said:
What's crazy to me is that if the DB just looks for the ball, that's a likely Pick Six. Such an ill advised throw given the situation.
My point again...... is that deep down the Saints fans wanted to win on a technicality.Vernada said:None of that is relevant if the blatant PI is called.Quote:
Here are the facts:
1. The Saints never trailed until they lost in overtime
2. The Saints were ahead with 1 minute left in the game.
3. The Saints were ahead with 30 seconds left in the game
4. the saints got the ball first in overtime.
and to add one more - asking for the right call to be made isn't a 'technicality',Quote:
My point again...... is that deep down the Saints fans wanted to win on a technicality.
Pretty sure I was pissed, but moved on with my life....dlance said:
For everyone poopooing the idea that the Saints were screwed, how did y'all feel about this when it happened?
I'm dismissing it....because the whiners sound like my 10 year old Nephew.Vernada said:
I'm nowhere close to a Saints fan.
This was the worst call I've ever personally witnessed and it can't be compared to a standard 'missed call.'
Regular missed calls don't result in 100s of news articles discussing them.
Honestly, I can't figure out why people like you are trying to dismiss such an awful non-call. The correct call gets made, 100% the Saints are in the Superbowl. It's pretty rare to be able to absolutely point to one call with that level of magnitude impact to a game.
There was 1:45 on the clock and the Rams had one timeout left. It would have been 1st and goal. The only way there would have been 35 seconds left is if the Rams allowed a TD. The Saints could have run the clock down to nothing.Kellso said:I'm dismissing it....because the whiners sound like my 10 year old Nephew.Vernada said:
I'm nowhere close to a Saints fan.
This was the worst call I've ever personally witnessed and it can't be compared to a standard 'missed call.'
Regular missed calls don't result in 100s of news articles discussing them.
Honestly, I can't figure out why people like you are trying to dismiss such an awful non-call. The correct call gets made, 100% the Saints are in the Superbowl. It's pretty rare to be able to absolutely point to one call with that level of magnitude impact to a game.
"its not fair" sniffle, sniffle,
Guess what folks, life is not fair. Bad calls happen. That call did not cost you the game.
You have to still go out and win the damn game....and the Saints repeatedly failed to do that.
You guys are acting like that call was made with 10 seconds left in the game. We have no clue if the Rams might get the ball with 35 seconds left and move 40 yards in 3 plays to get the game tying field goal.
The Saints led the entire game. They led with a minute left in the game. They had the ball first in overtime. They were at home were they supposedly have the best home field advantage in the NFL.
All this talk about the call is an attempt to deflect from their own failures.
