3/26 Update from TAMU Enrollment Manager

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Last night, I had the pleasure of attending a presentation by Chris Reed, VP of Enrollment Management here in College Station. Below are the notes I took from his session, along with additional comments.

By the Numbers: Admission Stats
Here is the breakdown of the most recent application cycle:
  • Total Applications: ~83,000
  • Completed Applications: 68,000 (82% Apps Completed)
  • Admitted: ~30,000 (44% of Completed Apps Admitted)
  • Target Enrollment: ~12,000 seats (Expecting 40% yield rate)
    • (Includes: Main Campus, Blinn TEAM/TEAB, Galveston, and Gateway)
Academic Profile
  • Average GPA: 4.26
  • Class Rank: 76% of admits are in the top 25% of their graduating class.
  • Approximately 55% of the admitted students are in the top 10%
  • Average Volunteer Hours: 120
Best Practices

  • Apply Early: Aim for September 15th. Don't wait for the deadline.
  • The Essay Matters: Use it to show "Grit." If you don't know what to write about, write about how you've taught yourself things and can handle the rigors of Aggieland.
  • Take the Test: Submit your SAT/ACT scores. It can ONLY help. They have two scoring metrics (with and without test), and they take the higher Academic score of the two.
  • Engage: Meet with recruiters. Show them you want to be there.
  • The Waitlist: If you get waitlisted, be aggressive. The mindset should be: "I want everything," from their list of options.
Major-Specific & Special Info
  • Engineering: Out-of-state/non-top 10% applicants are averaging a 1400 SAT.
  • Mays Business School: Fills 70% of seats early; the remaining spots are filled based on "Best Fit."
  • Residency: Texas A&M does not factor residency into the admissions decision.
  • Homeschool: Just keep it simple: They just need a solid, clear Transcript. Take advantage of their test scores for admissions (1290 SAT = top 10%)
He really preached on two things that guide their decisions. One, do you demonstrate the ability to succeed academically in a college environment? Two, does your background suggest that you can thrive in their campus environment and graduate? That's basically it.

He did express that the vast majority of students who apply to Texas A&M are offered some form of pathway to TAMU, including the PSA Option. He harped on how transfer-friendly they are and how explicit they are about their expectations for getting to TAMU. Very few students do not receive the PSA offer, and if they do, it's because they believe they are not a good academic fit.

In my opinion, his views on admissions are dramatically different from those of many of our peer institutions, and I now understand them better after learning about his background. Mr. Reed comes from a small town, Uvalde, and is actually a product of a community college and the transfer process. He is very much about setting students up for success and creating pathways for those who want to be Aggies.

While most schools have adopted Early Action, which I think he was confused with Early Decision, they have no plans to move toward that process. In my opinion, if they did adopt it, they would find themselves with more complete applications earlier and getting decisions out faster. He mentioned that about half of the applications are submitted between Thanksgiving and December 1st.

Furthermore, most schools have moved to "admit by major," while TAMU is predominantly admitting by application, which means they're reviewing how successful you will be in college, except for engineering. For engineering students, they want to make sure their math skills are strong enough to endure the first year math courses. Most of our peer institutions have long since moved to this "admit by major" model, which has given rise to the "pointy" and "angular" student-development models. He is a firm believer that students need time to make their major/career choices, which, at a school as large as TAMU, is still possible given the size of our admission classes.

Overall, it was an informative session and provided good information for those applying to Texas A&M. However, I did think some of the advice he gave would not have worked for students aiming for more selective institutions.

He conducted about a 45-minute Q&A session, so there was lots more. Feel free to ask additional questions, and I'll answer any questions that he may have addressed in his session.
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this is really good insight. thank you for sharing.

do we think TAMU will ever move away from rolling admissions? it seems that we are the only institution at this "level" which still does rolling admissions, and it seems to have a cheapening effect on the perception of TAMU, sadly.
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Honestly, I'm not really sure. That's what I was hoping to learn from my question, but he misunderstood it as Early Decision (binding decision).

I do agree that it sort of cheapens our perspective nationally as TAMU is not typically seen in the same discussion as UMiCH, UVA, UIUC, and the UCs. This is my perspective as I talk with other IECs across the nation.

However, from what I've gathered from his talk that they're perfectly okay with their process and how they make decisions. Everything that resonated from his talk was trying to admit as many qualified students as possible to TAMU.
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John Sharp et al have done a very good job of maximizing the throughput of students through the TAMU campuses, but it has come at the detriment of enrollment excessing swelling. Texas' population has grown, and they have attempted to grow with it (through RELLIS, PSA, Blinn TEAM, etc.) to meet those needs, but it has had a watering down effect on the generic TAMU degree.

From the eyes of most high schoolers nowadays, acceptance into UT is now perceived as a scarce option whereas an acceptances into TAMU are currently viewed as being in abundance.

Mr. Reed needs to understand this, and perhaps he already does (and does not see it as a problem).
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aggiejohn said:

John Sharp et al have done a very good job of maximizing the throughput of students through the TAMU campuses, but it has come at the detriment of enrollment excessing swelling. Texas' population has grown, and they have attempted to grow with it (through RELLIS, PSA, Blinn TEAM, etc.) to meet those needs, but it has had a watering down effect on the generic TAMU degree.

From the eyes of most high schoolers nowadays, acceptance into UT is now perceived as a scarce option whereas an acceptances into TAMU are currently viewed as being in abundance.

Mr. Reed needs to understand this, and perhaps he already does (and does not see it as a problem).



Certainly, I do agree with you. However, I believe what he is trying to do is appease as many students as possible and trying to give them as many viable options to attend Texas A&m. Plus, given his background as a transfer student himself, I believe he places a lot more value on this experience than what most students and families probably do. Because of this, they probably see Blinn Team and the PSA option as opportunities that are strong alternatives to full admissions.

I know in the minds of many students and families though, they're all put off by those options and and see them as consolation prizes for 3 to 4 years of hard work.
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  • Class Rank: 76% of admits are in the top 25% of their graduating class.
  • The Rest are athletes.
(1290 SAT = top 10%) for homeschoolers...wtf?

if you're not top 25%...don't waste your money or only apply during the free week.
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aggiejohn said:

this is really good insight. thank you for sharing.

do we think TAMU will ever move away from rolling admissions? it seems that we are the only institution at this "level" which still does rolling admissions, and it seems to have a cheapening effect on the perception of TAMU, sadly.


What is rolling admissions and how does it hurt the perception of A&M? Genuinely curious. Have no clue about this stuff. Thanks.
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Fat Tony said:

aggiejohn said:

this is really good insight. thank you for sharing.

do we think TAMU will ever move away from rolling admissions? it seems that we are the only institution at this "level" which still does rolling admissions, and it seems to have a cheapening effect on the perception of TAMU, sadly.


What is rolling admissions and how does it hurt the perception of A&M? Genuinely curious. Have no clue about this stuff. Thanks.

Rolling admissions is simply that A&M continues to accept applications as they come in. Every Top 100 school to my knowledge has dates they release decisions, typically a release date for Early applicants and a later one for Regular. Rolling admissions are perceived as something lower ranked schools do that are desperate for admits and it devalues how we are perceived.

A&M manages to pretty much do the worst of all worlds on admissions and I experienced both ends of it with my 2 boys as one was a Top 10% auto admit and the other a PSA. My youngest felt pressure to rush to get his A&M application in as fast as possible in August for housing but that meant he wasn't able to have some of the things he would have by the November deadline at most schools (or at least Oct 15) that hurt him for scholarships. He got that quick admit and then got Engineering and Eng Honors and eventually some scholarship money but the process was very drawn out and impersonal even though he was a very strong applicant. Admissions and financial aid are terribly run and often I spoke to people that were less informed than I was when asking questions and few were helpful, all after long queues and wait times. My eldest applied before September and didn't hear on PSA until March, by that time he had already decided on Galveston who he applied to separately anyway and was accepted in November. Just a terribly unorganized and cluster of a process.

We also give almost all our financial aid based on means as though we are a private school or make National Merit a pre qualifier. No other public school makes NM so valued and rightly so, to put one test in the Fall of your Junior year as far more important than anything else you do in High School is insane, it is incredibly difficult to get any aid if you aren't NM. My youngest is a T1D and had a blood sugar incident during his PSAT and just missed NM even though his SAT was a 1510 (btw not allowing for Superscoring SAT is another idiotic move by A&M, it only hurts our stats when our peer schools use that method).

A&M thus becomes a Safety school for the Top 10% who apply early and find out early. My son's HS had only 7 of the 65 kids in the Top 10% choose A&M and virtually all had family ties. The others either went to Texas or took scholarship money elsewhere (or went to T20s). My son is on a full ride elsewhere even though he's an Aggie at heart.

I think Blinn Team and PSA are good programs in a vacuum but poorly executed. They are being used on the wrong students. The ideal should be for kids who aren't prepared for the rigors of Freshman classes, ideally from poor performing or rural schools where the culture shock and academic shock are most likely to hit them. Instead Blinn and PSA tend to be filled with kids from high performing Suburban schools where the kids have an A&M tie and they are basically waiting to take the spots of the first group I mentioned who are most likely to flunk out. The goal should be about creating a successful path for as many students as possible.

I could go on and on. I would have loved to have attended that meeting. Unfortunately because we have such strong demand for our school and many alumni don't understand how other schools work.
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Residency is not considered at all for admittance?

I ask because Im a Texas resident (the kids are too),but stationed in Georgia so my children's high school does not qualify for top 10%. They'll be applying in August.
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aggie93 said:

Fat Tony said:

aggiejohn said:

this is really good insight. thank you for sharing.

do we think TAMU will ever move away from rolling admissions? it seems that we are the only institution at this "level" which still does rolling admissions, and it seems to have a cheapening effect on the perception of TAMU, sadly.


What is rolling admissions and how does it hurt the perception of A&M? Genuinely curious. Have no clue about this stuff. Thanks.

Rolling admissions is simply that A&M continues to accept applications as they come in. Every Top 100 school to my knowledge has dates they release decisions, typically a release date for Early applicants and a later one for Regular. Rolling admissions are perceived as something lower ranked schools do that are desperate for admits and it devalues how we are perceived.

A&M manages to pretty much do the worst of all worlds on admissions and I experienced both ends of it with my 2 boys as one was a Top 10% auto admit and the other a PSA. My youngest felt pressure to rush to get his A&M application in as fast as possible in August for housing but that meant he wasn't able to have some of the things he would have by the November deadline at most schools (or at least Oct 15) that hurt him for scholarships. He got that quick admit and then got Engineering and Eng Honors and eventually some scholarship money but the process was very drawn out and impersonal even though he was a very strong applicant. Admissions and financial aid are terribly run and often I spoke to people that were less informed than I was when asking questions and few were helpful, all after long queues and wait times. My eldest applied before September and didn't hear on PSA until March, by that time he had already decided on Galveston who he applied to separately anyway and was accepted in November. Just a terribly unorganized and cluster of a process.

We also give almost all our financial aid based on means as though we are a private school or make National Merit a pre qualifier. No other public school makes NM so valued and rightly so, to put one test in the Fall of your Junior year as far more important than anything else you do in High School is insane, it is incredibly difficult to get any aid if you aren't NM. My youngest is a T1D and had a blood sugar incident during his PSAT and just missed NM even though his SAT was a 1510 (btw not allowing for Superscoring SAT is another idiotic move by A&M, it only hurts our stats when our peer schools use that method).

A&M thus becomes a Safety school for the Top 10% who apply early and find out early. My son's HS had only 7 of the 65 kids in the Top 10% choose A&M and virtually all had family ties. The others either went to Texas or took scholarship money elsewhere (or went to T20s). My son is on a full ride elsewhere even though he's an Aggie at heart.

I think Blinn Team and PSA are good programs in a vacuum but poorly executed. They are being used on the wrong students. The ideal should be for kids who aren't prepared for the rigors of Freshman classes, ideally from poor performing or rural schools where the culture shock and academic shock are most likely to hit them. Instead Blinn and PSA tend to be filled with kids from high performing Suburban schools where the kids have an A&M tie and they are basically waiting to take the spots of the first group I mentioned who are most likely to flunk out. The goal should be about creating a successful path for as many students as possible.

I could go on and on. I would have loved to have attended that meeting. Unfortunately because we have such strong demand for our school and many alumni don't understand how other schools work.


Thank you very much for your response. Really appreciate it.
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ArmyAg2002 said:

Residency is not considered at all for admittance?

I ask because Im a Texas resident (the kids are too),but stationed in Georgia so my children's high school does not qualify for top 10%. They'll be applying in August.

It was explained to the audience that a student's residence is redacted from their application. However, that doesn't keep the student from mentioning it somewhere in their application (Essays, activity statements, etc.), which I would strongly encourage you to weave that information into it.
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Thank you
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aggie93 said:

Fat Tony said:

aggiejohn said:

this is really good insight. thank you for sharing.

do we think TAMU will ever move away from rolling admissions? it seems that we are the only institution at this "level" which still does rolling admissions, and it seems to have a cheapening effect on the perception of TAMU, sadly.


What is rolling admissions and how does it hurt the perception of A&M? Genuinely curious. Have no clue about this stuff. Thanks.

We also give almost all our financial aid based on means as though we are a private school or make National Merit a pre qualifier. No other public school makes NM so valued and rightly so, to put one test in the Fall of your Junior year as far more important than anything else you do in High School is insane, it is incredibly difficult to get any aid if you aren't NM. My youngest is a T1D and had a blood sugar incident during his PSAT and just missed NM even though his SAT was a 1510 (btw not allowing for Superscoring SAT is another idiotic move by A&M, it only hurts our stats when our peer schools use that method).


I've been banging this drum since 2010, and unfortunately, the situation has gone from lackluster to exponentially worse. There is now a massive gulf between what we offer National Merit/high-end students versus the actual cost of attendance.

Unfortunately, the math doesn't add up anymore. Outside of a few Presidential Endowed Scholars, the bulk of our "top" kids are looking at maybe $3k-$4k per year. In today's admissions and scholarship landscape, that covers maybe 1/4 to 1/3 of tuition. When our peers are throwing heavy merit packages at these same kids, a $3,000 yearly scholarship from A&M isn't the draw it used to be. For many, they are paying more out-of-pocket to attend Texas A&M than similar schools in terms of ranking and stature.
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double b said:

aggie93 said:

Fat Tony said:

aggiejohn said:

this is really good insight. thank you for sharing.

do we think TAMU will ever move away from rolling admissions? it seems that we are the only institution at this "level" which still does rolling admissions, and it seems to have a cheapening effect on the perception of TAMU, sadly.


What is rolling admissions and how does it hurt the perception of A&M? Genuinely curious. Have no clue about this stuff. Thanks.

We also give almost all our financial aid based on means as though we are a private school or make National Merit a pre qualifier. No other public school makes NM so valued and rightly so, to put one test in the Fall of your Junior year as far more important than anything else you do in High School is insane, it is incredibly difficult to get any aid if you aren't NM. My youngest is a T1D and had a blood sugar incident during his PSAT and just missed NM even though his SAT was a 1510 (btw not allowing for Superscoring SAT is another idiotic move by A&M, it only hurts our stats when our peer schools use that method).


I've been banging this drum since 2010, and unfortunately, the situation has gone from lackluster to exponentially worse. There is now a massive gulf between what we offer National Merit/high-end students versus the actual cost of attendance.

Unfortunately, the math doesn't add up anymore. Outside of a few Presidential Endowed Scholars, the bulk of our "top" kids are looking at maybe $3k-$4k per year. In today's admissions and scholarship landscape, that covers maybe 1/4 to 1/3 of tuition. When our peers are throwing heavy merit packages at these same kids, a $3,000 yearly scholarship from A&M isn't the draw it used to be. For many, they are paying more out-of-pocket to attend Texas A&M than similar schools in terms of ranking and stature.

To make matters worse, there is a specific pool of merit-based scholarships called Achievement Awards, which are ONLY available to students in designated, targeted recruitment areas within the state of Texas. So if you're not among that group or do not live in those areas, then your student is not eligible for those dollars.


Why do you think A&M continues to do rolling admissions + handle their aid in this way? What goal do you think they are trying to achieve doing it this way?

Thanks for your insight here.
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double b said:

aggie93 said:

Fat Tony said:

aggiejohn said:

this is really good insight. thank you for sharing.

do we think TAMU will ever move away from rolling admissions? it seems that we are the only institution at this "level" which still does rolling admissions, and it seems to have a cheapening effect on the perception of TAMU, sadly.


What is rolling admissions and how does it hurt the perception of A&M? Genuinely curious. Have no clue about this stuff. Thanks.

We also give almost all our financial aid based on means as though we are a private school or make National Merit a pre qualifier. No other public school makes NM so valued and rightly so, to put one test in the Fall of your Junior year as far more important than anything else you do in High School is insane, it is incredibly difficult to get any aid if you aren't NM. My youngest is a T1D and had a blood sugar incident during his PSAT and just missed NM even though his SAT was a 1510 (btw not allowing for Superscoring SAT is another idiotic move by A&M, it only hurts our stats when our peer schools use that method).


I've been banging this drum since 2010, and unfortunately, the situation has gone from lackluster to exponentially worse. There is now a massive gulf between what we offer National Merit/high-end students versus the actual cost of attendance.

Unfortunately, the math doesn't add up anymore. Outside of a few Presidential Endowed Scholars, the bulk of our "top" kids are looking at maybe $3k-$4k per year. In today's admissions and scholarship landscape, that covers maybe 1/4 to 1/3 of tuition. When our peers are throwing heavy merit packages at these same kids, a $3,000 yearly scholarship from A&M isn't the draw it used to be. For many, they are paying more out-of-pocket to attend Texas A&M than similar schools in terms of ranking and stature.

To make matters worse, there is a specific pool of merit-based scholarships called Achievement Awards, which are ONLY available to students in designated, targeted recruitment areas within the state of Texas. So if you're not among that group or do not live in those areas, then your student is not eligible for those dollars.

Agree completely and I know you are aware of my son's circumstances all too well . The main benefit to the NM is to attract OOS students who have an interest in A&M because they throw in the OOS tuition. A&M is also unusual in this aspect as most of our peer institutions make it much harder for OOS to get scholarships (UC schools ban it entirely for instance). A&M throws around In State tuition much more liberally. They offer free tuition to anyone under $100k like we were an Ivy but almost no help to the majority of students and then brag about not raising fees when they are already too high.

All of this is causing A&M to lose a LOT of top students in Texas. Why pay full cost at A&M who doesn't recruit you and treats you like a number. My son got far more material and attention from Ivy League schools than A&M, I think he got one postcard in the Summer before applying even though A&M can easily tell who the Top 10% students are and look at the higher ranked schools in Texas, certainly other schools do and we have no lack of resources. He loved A&M as a possible 3rd Gen of course but it made it easy to understand why so many of his peers who didn't have a tie to A&M had little to no interest or saw it as a Safety. BTW, Texas doesn't care a lick about National Merit and if you can get accepted to an Honors college you are likely to get significant scholarships, I know a lot of folks who have kids that got nice offers from Texas and nothing from A&M but rarely the other direction if they weren't NM. The amount of the NM is also not competitive.

We are not a poor school and we have a lot of money to work with. A&M could offer far reduced or free tuition to a lot more students based on merit but we don't. Instead our focus seems to be on getting First Gen students and taking advantage of the fact that a lot of people will just pay whatever the bill says for the chance to come to A&M and leaving a lot of top students to go elsewhere who recruit them and give them scholarship money. I didn't really see how bad it was until my son did a truly open minded search of peer schools and what they offer. If you are a top student in Georgia or Florida for instance it is really hard to walk away from the packages they offer and since people know they offer them at GT, UGA, and UFA so they often shut down the process before even exploring other options. When visiting we met multiple students who had thought of going elsewhere but couldn't walk away from the packages so they stayed in state. Another irony is most Top 50 schools couldn't care less about NM, it's really something that schools on a lower tier use to try to buy some top students to come so they can brag about how many NM they have (Tulsa currently being the most aggressive). If you are applying to a T20 and want to be competitive it likely isn't one of your top 3 Awards listed on your application, they want folks that can do more than do well on a test.
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aggie93 said:

A&M thus becomes a Safety school for the Top 10% who apply early and find out early.


That is the sad reality of the situation that I have also observed.

High schoolers in the 10% apply early, get accepted early and maybe get excited about it (but many do not), all while "sitting on" their acceptance for many months waiting to hear back from other places (like the school in Austin, for example).

With the exception of the most staunch Aggie legacy family, any allure around TAMU wanes or is forgotten over the months from Sep/Oct to Feb/Mar, and then if an acceptance to Texas isn't given, then TAMU is rightfully felt like a back up option.

This is further reinforced when their non-10% peers are granted acceptance into "TAMU" via the Blinn TEAM, PSA, alternate pathways further watering down the perception of acceptance into TAMU (even if it isn't fully enrolled, 100% on-campus TAMU).

In the end, for many Texas families, the cost/benefit analysis of TAMU's value wins out and the student enrolls at TAMU, but there is a tarnishing effect to a TAMU acceptance during the process.
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I just received some notes from a colleague who attended an SEC roundtable discussion regarding admissions. The ACT science is officially dead. Below is the list of every school and their policy.

Science Section of the ACT
  • Ole Miss: will use it if it helps the student but will disregard otherwise
  • UGA: only uses English and Math
  • UF: no longer uses science
  • Missouri: will use it if it benefits the student
  • Mississippi State: will use it if it benefits the student
  • USC: will not use it in admission review; can be included for state scholarships eligibility
  • Oklahoma: Will use it if the student takes it
  • Auburn: does not require it but if it brings up the super score, it will be used
  • LSU: not required, but if the student takes it, it will be used
  • UT Austin: not required
  • Kentucky: Personal choice if they want to include it
  • Vanderbilt: For students who submit the science, they will include it in the superscore IF it helps the student's superscore. If the science lowers the superscore, it will not be considered
  • Texas A&M: they can submit with or without the science section since we are optional.
  • Tennessee: we do not require the science section but students can submit their scores with science if it increases their superscore.
  • University of Arkansas: will also accept it if it benefits the student. Our processing team uses in-house Superscoring to take an applicant's highest score at each category of all attempts.
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