Russia deal with US on diesel?

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In reply to 5Amp • 8:19p, 10/10/26
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Zelensky and Iran both hoping democrats win the midterms should tell u all u need to know. Same story with Europe, the old globalist wanting to hold on to power.
It tells us that Trump is aligned with Russia. Not that deep.
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In reply to Jeeper79 • 8:30p, 10/10/26
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5Amp said:
Zelensky and Iran both hoping democrats win the midterms should tell u all u need to know. Same story with Europe, the old globalist wanting to hold on to power.

It tells us that Trump is aligned with Russia. Not that deep.

Disagree with that, Europe has purchased much, much more hydrocarbons from Russia during this war than Trump. Some people just hate Trump.

A lot of Americans don't care about the Ukraine war, just an endless mess that needs to stop. I don't think Ukraine is winning and this winter is going to be difficult on the population. Zelensky is acting like a dictator and should have open elections.
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8:34p, 10/10/26
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The name of that bill will trigger people and create a conservative litmus test

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In reply to Dan Scott • 8:36p, 10/10/26
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Lolz. This should get good.
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In reply to 5Amp • 8:38p, 10/10/26
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5Amp said:
Jeeper79 said:
5Amp said:
Zelensky and Iran both hoping democrats win the midterms should tell u all u need to know. Same story with Europe, the old globalist wanting to hold on to power.

It tells us that Trump is aligned with Russia. Not that deep.

Disagree with that, Europe has purchased much, much more hydrocarbons from Russia during this war than Trump. Some people just hate Trump.

A lot of Americans don't care about the Ukraine war, just an endless mess that needs to stop. I don't think Ukraine is winning and this winter is going to be difficult on the population. Zelensky is acting like a dictator and should have open elections.


When the EU banned energy from Russia early on, Germany simply rerouted purchase of the same energy via a satellite state of Russia. The virtue signaling against Russia by Europe was exactly that.
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8:41p, 10/10/26
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Kremlin aid but that's funny

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In reply to Dan Scott • 8:44p, 10/10/26
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Kremlin aid but that's funny

Kim Jong Un love letter vibes.
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8:48p, 10/10/26
Rep. Brian Fitzpatrick Voted against the Big Beautiful Bill that passed.


Fitzpatrick and Massie were the only two House Republicans to vote against the final version of Trump's signature tax and spending bill last year. After initially voting for the legislation, the moderate Republican said he couldn't vote for the Senate version because it included steeper cuts to Medicaid.
https://thehill.com/media/5888243-trump-taunts-fox-news-reporter/


The guy is for boomers!


LOL
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9:05p, 10/10/26
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I don't think Trump really cares about Russia or Ukraine. He seems to think he can get the US out of its problems (partly of his own making) by making as many "deals" as he can, even if that means playing both sides. He seems to be utterly obsessed with the idea of making deals despite the long term costs to the US and in particular the Republican Party.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Ben Franklin
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9:15p, 10/10/26
Sea: Say No to Russian Diesel Rally

https://old.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/1x2vt68/oc_say_no_to_russian_diesel_rally/




LOSERS.
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In reply to Dan Scott • 9:25p, 10/10/26
Dan Scott said:
The name of that bill will trigger people and create a conservative litmus test


i thought all the ******s in the house went on break for the election cycle.

performative nonsense as usual.
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In reply to CascadiaAg • 9:32p, 10/10/26
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CascadiaAg said:
Dan Scott said:
The name of that bill will trigger people and create a conservative litmus test


i thought all the ******s in the house went on break for the election cycle.

performative nonsense as usual.
Standing up to Russia is performative now?
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In reply to Jeeper79 • 9:49p, 10/10/26
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CascadiaAg said:
Dan Scott said:
The name of that bill will trigger people and create a conservative litmus test


i thought all the ******s in the house went on break for the election cycle.

performative nonsense as usual.

Standing up to Russia is performative now?

yes, when it is coming from that TDS nazi and the Dems are pushing it.

the same dems that are pro Hamas/terrorism, pro-illegal deluge, etc.

If they are for it, by default you know it is bad.
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In reply to CascadiaAg • 9:52p, 10/10/26
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CascadiaAg said:
Jeeper79 said:
CascadiaAg said:
Dan Scott said:
The name of that bill will trigger people and create a conservative litmus test


i thought all the ******s in the house went on break for the election cycle.

performative nonsense as usual.

Standing up to Russia is performative now?

yes, when it is coming from that TDS nazi and the Dems are pushing it.

the same dems that are pro Hamas/terrorism, pro-illegal deluge, etc.

If they are for it, by default you know it is bad.
If anyone other than Trump had proposed buying fuel from Russia, would you even be up for it? It's a bad idea on its face.
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10:01p, 10/10/26
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Hilarious that Zelensky did it. What a mess all around.
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10:44p, 10/10/26
Elon will not help Zelensky with his satellites, guess he is a commie too.
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In reply to Jeeper79 • 10:48p, 10/10/26
Jeeper79 said:
CascadiaAg said:
Jeeper79 said:
CascadiaAg said:
Dan Scott said:
The name of that bill will trigger people and create a conservative litmus test


i thought all the ******s in the house went on break for the election cycle.

performative nonsense as usual.

Standing up to Russia is performative now?

yes, when it is coming from that TDS nazi and the Dems are pushing it.

the same dems that are pro Hamas/terrorism, pro-illegal deluge, etc.

If they are for it, by default you know it is bad.

If anyone other than Trump had proposed buying fuel from Russia, would you even be up for it? It's a bad idea on its face.

i give zero Fs about Ukraine. Just as I gave zero Fs about Ukraine under my old account when I stopped posting in November 2024.

I will take Russia's diesel regardless of whomever is in power in the US
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11:07p, 10/10/26
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In reply to Jeeper79 • 11:09p, 10/10/26
Jeeper79 said:
5Amp said:
Zelensky and Iran both hoping democrats win the midterms should tell u all u need to know. Same story with Europe, the old globalist wanting to hold on to power.

It tells us that Trump is aligned with Russia. Not that deep.

Could be worse. he could be aligned with China and the one world government Euro-fascists like the Dems are.
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11:12p, 10/10/26
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In reply to YouBet • 12:11a, 10/11/26
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Very likely could be so. I just don't care.

Reality at this point is a negotiated border. Neither is going to outright win so negotiate a border and end it.


You kinda need both sides to be amenable to that for it to work. And thus far neither side has been. Ukraine has proposed freezing along current lines and negotiating but Russia has shot that down and demanded that their entire laundry list of demands be agreed to as prerequisite for even beginning negotiation. So I don't think that we're anywhere near compromise being a realistic consideration.
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In reply to 5Amp • 12:17a, 10/11/26
5Amp said:
Jeeper79 said:
5Amp said:
Zelensky and Iran both hoping democrats win the midterms should tell u all u need to know. Same story with Europe, the old globalist wanting to hold on to power.

It tells us that Trump is aligned with Russia. Not that deep.

Disagree with that, Europe has purchased much, much more hydrocarbons from Russia during this war than Trump. Some people just hate Trump.

A lot of Americans don't care about the Ukraine war, just an endless mess that needs to stop. I don't think Ukraine is winning and this winter is going to be difficult on the population. Zelensky is acting like a dictator and should have open elections.


It's easy to say that but the logistics of both the constitutional amendment required and how you manage elections when 20% of the country is occupied and polling locations would be fat soft targets for attacks are anything but simple.
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In reply to CascadiaAg • 12:20a, 10/11/26
CascadiaAg said:
Jeeper79 said:
5Amp said:
Zelensky and Iran both hoping democrats win the midterms should tell u all u need to know. Same story with Europe, the old globalist wanting to hold on to power.

It tells us that Trump is aligned with Russia. Not that deep.

Could be worse. he could be aligned with China and the one world government Euro-fascists like the Dems are.


I mean, he did say that he and Xi are great friends and offer to sell them military equipment. Aligned may be a bit strong. But he's certainly not opposed to a closer relationship.
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4:05a, 10/11/26
Let me get this straight...

Russia starts a war or aggression, then kills thousands of people over a 5 year span, and now we want to give them money for diesel, which they will use directly to kill more people.

Can anyone justify trump not being evil? This is the definition of evil.
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4:06a, 10/11/26
There is more MAGA cope in this thread than I've seen in a long time:

1. "Europe buys more / Everyone else does it too"
Pointing out that European nations and NATO members still buy Russian natural gas, crude, and LNG (or that China is the "real winner" anyway) to excuse the US doing a deal.

2. "It's 4D chess for world peace"
Framing the move not as a transactional energy pivot, but as a brilliant masterstroke by a "dealmaker" to reengage the Kremlin, lay groundwork for diplomacy, and force a resolution to the Ukraine war.

3. "It's just a pragmatic midterms band-aid"
Admitting it's a transparent attempt to shave a few cents off fuel prices before the midterms, rationalizing it with a "Well, Biden did it with the SPR" whataboutism.

4. "The deal won't even work anyway"
Comforting themselves by arguing that Russia doesn't actually have excess diesel to sell due to wartime refinery losses and Ukrainian drone strikes, meaning nothing bad will actually happen because it's an empty gesture.

5. "Zelensky made him do it"
Shifting the blame entirely onto Ukraine and "globalist" European leaders for playing political games, forcing the administration's hand into unorthodox maneuvers.

Please keep it coming.
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5:44a, 10/11/26
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LOL. Some euro firm paying to import this fertilizer, no diesel yet.

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In reply to CascadiaAg • 6:05a, 10/11/26
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CascadiaAg said:
Jeeper79 said:
If anyone other than Trump had proposed buying fuel from Russia, would you even be up for it? It's a bad idea on its face.

i give zero Fs about Ukraine. Just as I gave zero Fs about Ukraine under my old account when I stopped posting in November 2024.

I will take Russia's diesel regardless of whomever is in power in the US

Yeah some of us have called this out for a long time for what it is. And globally oil/gas generally comes from 'bad people.' Not a lot of 'wonderful democratic/free' states produce anywhere near the oil/gas that we do. Castigating Russia as 'the one really bad people' we shouldn't buy oil from over forever-war Zelensky never made any sense at all.

And the house (nor senate) isn't even in session so whatever on that bill.

Elon also commented that Z has gone too far yesterday. He has a tool to single-handedly force Kiev to the table finally also.

Europe is also hitting a breaking point on diesel, with China now restricting exports. I am still curious if Trump will also act to restrict exports to them.
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In reply to HumpitPuryear • 6:09a, 10/11/26
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Trump is trying to look like he's doing something about fuel prices ahead of the midterms. Sleepy Joe sold off the SPR under similar circumstances. At least Trump's announcement doesn't matter since Russia has no diesel to sell. Even if they did Ukraine would probably blow up the tankers. Maybe that's Trump's 4D chess move lol. Hope we are paying on delivery.

So Trump is following Sleepy Joe's playbook of using the SPR to try to drive down energy prices in an election year. One policy is a brilliant move and the other was total stupidity according to some posters

Sleepy Joe sold off 180mm bbls in 2022 and this year Trump is SPR draining 172mm bbls based on current authorized releases.
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In reply to MaroonStain • 7:19a, 10/11/26
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doubledog said:
Sq 17 said:
Plenty of discussion on the $3 has thread and the Russia Ukraine war thread

It is time for Ukraine, Russia, Europe and the U.S. to make some hard choices. Endless war is not one of them.


All of the money this Earth spends on war and war materials could be better spent in other places

I'd love to live in that dream world where we could spend money on butter rather than guns. But there are these people out there called bad guys. Bad guys will try to hurt and or kill you. They don't respond to butter.
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In reply to CascadiaAg • 8:08a, 10/11/26
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CascadiaAg said:
Jeeper79 said:
5Amp said:
Zelensky and Iran both hoping democrats win the midterms should tell u all u need to know. Same story with Europe, the old globalist wanting to hold on to power.

It tells us that Trump is aligned with Russia. Not that deep.

Could be worse. he could be aligned with China and the one world government Euro-fascists like the Dems are.
The ONLY thing preventing Trump from aligning with China is a trade deal, same as Russia (which he apparently just got by lifting sanctions).
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In reply to Kansas Kid • 8:41a, 10/11/26
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Biden couldn't spell SPR, though. Maybe Trump is just copying the Europeans?

Also, this was made possible thanks to Democrats supporting passage of the Lindsey Graham bill, fyi.

I particularly love they put dimwit Jean Shaheen as the face of their foreign relations committee x account. Derp.
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In reply to moreagthanyou • 8:50a, 10/11/26
You left out my personal favorite

6. Zelenskyy is the problem
a. He is the warmonger
b. He is illegally holding onto power
c. We shouldn't be doing business with a dictator who refuses to hold election ( Putin,Erdogan etc say hi)
d. Zelensky must be removed from office then peace will come
e. Z disrespects the US the Whitehouse and the POTUS for not wearing a suit
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In reply to Rossticus • 8:57a, 10/11/26
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Rossticus said:
YouBet said:
Very likely could be so. I just don't care.

Reality at this point is a negotiated border. Neither is going to outright win so negotiate a border and end it.


You kinda need both sides to be amenable to that for it to work. And thus far neither side has been. Ukraine has proposed freezing along current lines and negotiating but Russia has shot that down and demanded that their entire laundry list of demands be agreed to as prerequisite for even beginning negotiation. So I don't think that we're anywhere near compromise being a realistic consideration.


Yeah, that sucks. I guess they will be in a WWI stalemate until either Putin or Zelensky dies.
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In reply to Sq 17 • 9:04a, 10/11/26
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Sq 17 said:
You left out my personal favorite

6. Zelenskyy is the problem
a. He is the warmonger
b. He is illegally holding onto power
c. We shouldn't be doing business with a dictator who refuses to hold election ( Putin,Erdogan etc say hi)
d. Zelensky must be removed from office then peace will come
e. Z disrespects the US the Whitehouse and the POTUS for not wearing a suit

Most countries postpone elections while being invaded, including England and France during WW2. It's hard to hold a safe, fair election when you don't have control of your own country and the electoral process is subject to outside manipulation as well as enemy targeting.

Interesting that you call Zelenskyy the warmonger while he's on defense but do not make the same claim of the country that attacked his.

And the whole suit comment is the biggest giveaway that you are not a serious individual. Either that or you are easily manipulated.
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9:05a, 10/11/26
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With Russia's war consumption, normal use, and refinery "issues", they might as well of agreed to supply the US with unicorns.
Being in TexAgs jail changes a man……..no, not really
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