Red, White, and Blue....errr... Greenland News

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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-declares-victory-historic-deal-greenland-secures-permanent-us-military-rights

Hopefully a good thing for our mineral rights / development there. Definitely a good thing that it legally bars the axis powers.
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Excellent news. The Arctic and Greenland is too important to ignore for Fortress North America.

And everyone gets what they want. Denmark gets to be nominally in control and pay the welfare of the locals while we actually control the island and can establish robust defense platforms there and keep China and Russia and BRICS out.
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"The U.S. will now have permanent access, basing and overflight rights in Greenland, and the ability to establish additional military installations as needed, according to a senior U.S. official who outlined the deal exclusively to Fox News Digital.

"The deal bars China, Russia and other non-NATO countries from establishing military bases or maintaining troops in Greenland. It also restricts adversaries from investing in sensitive sectors that could pose a threat to U.S. national security."

Heck of a deal if you ask me. No money out, and the U.S. doesn't have to get permission from Denmark or Greenland to authorize new military bases. We can build them when and where we choose. If Greenland ever declares independence from Denmark, the agreement still holds.

This is Trump at his best.
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"Art of the Deal" applied in real time. Trump got everything we really needed and/or wanted.

Your children and grandchildren are safer because of this!
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The US has had the right to build and use a bunch of bases in Greenland for over 70 years.

That's part of what makes Trumps position on this so crazy in the first place.
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Status quo maintained! ART OF THE DEAL!!!!
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amercer said:

The US has had the right to build and use a bunch of bases in Greenland for over 70 years.

That's part of what makes Trumps position on this so crazy in the first place.


Came here to post your TDS fueled lies but as usual you need to stop listening to Reddit

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The 1951 Defense Agreement: Denmark and the U.S. signed a treaty that governs military operations in Greenland.Approval Required: The treaty states that the Danish government must approve new U.S. military bases or major expansions.


But not anymore

Try again there Lib because Daddy Trump got us a major deal and now we don't need their permission and can do whatever we want. America winning is your vampire's sunlight

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Whoa! Whoa! On another thread, folks are claiming Trump doesn't get excrement done. This can't be possible.
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So we had to ask Denmark permission to get a deal to not ask them permission to do things that we had asked them permission for in the past and they had never said no to.

Whew that must have been a doozy
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amercer said:

So we had to ask Denmark permission to get a deal to not ask them permission do do things that we had asked them permission for in the past and they had never said no to.

Whew that must have been a doozy


Yes, they ceded permanent military control of the island to the US

I get why you don't want to say that out loud because it hurts your little leftist heart so much to admit Trump won
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At the beginning of Trumps insane take over Greenland push, the Danes came out and said that they had no issue with the bases, or new bases, or the treaty that existed that allowed for bases.

But congrats on the huge win on one of the most pressing issues for Americans. I look forward to this being front and center in all the mid term advertising
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amercer said:

At the beginning of Trumps insane take over Greenland push, the Danes came out and said that they had no issue with the bases, or new bases, or the treaty that existed that allowed for bases.

But congrats on the huge win on one of the most pressing issues for Americans. I look forward to this being front and center in all the mid term advertising


The Danes never said "we will give you full military control of the island and effectively cede Greenland to the US Military"….until today

And the fact that you don't get its importance just shows Lefty's don't need to have opinions on anything besides which shade of blue to dye their hair this week
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And they didn't say that today either.
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EFR said:

And they didn't say that today either.


It just hurts you so much to admit Trump won. You've activated your "Hands Up Don't Shoot" reflex and will believe your lying narrative of "nothing is different now" for the rest of time.

But America won and apparently for Leftists, that's a giant loss that needs massive Copium
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I just want to see the part of the agreement that you claims says "we give you full military control and effectively cede Greenland to the Us military".
It should be easy to find and post for all to see.
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EFR said:

I just want to see the part of the agreement that you claims says "we give you full military control and effectively cede the territory to the us military".


What would you call it when you tell another country "your military can do whatever it wants on our territory and we relinquish any right to say no"

Go on

Let's hear it
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You do know what their opinion on us military bases was prior to all this, right?
Here is a hint..we have to ask and they literally never say no.
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EFR said:

You do know what their opinion on us military bases was prior to all this, right?


They used to have the right to say no in the old treaty

They gave that up

Now we don't have to ask about anything

I get your TDS demands that be minimized but it's huge and it's ceding sovereign control even if that hurts your little leftist heart
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Once again, not what the agreement says.
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schmendeler said:

Status quo maintained! ART OF THE DEAL!!!!
Gotta hand it to him. Trump has gotten us what we already had. 5d chess. Pure mastery. Next he'll redo NAFTA into the USMCA and call it the best deal ever, and MAGA will rejoice.
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EFR said:

Once again, not what the agreement says.


Point out where it says we must still ask permission for anything
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Quick question:

Is this one of those deals that is binding longer than Trump is president, or, when he's gone, can it be immediately undone?
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It's not a treaty ratified by Congress, I don't think it really carries much more weight than most of the other "deals" we have seen.
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It's a security agreement and according to the news, supposed to be ratified at the next UN general assembly

But you know, nothing official
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"The deal only allows the U.S. and its allies to make "sensitive investments" on the island, such as telecommunications infrastructure, undersea cables, ports and critical minerals."

And we didn't have to pay them a penny for the right.

It also keeps Russia and China out - permanently. This is huge for U.S. national security. Greenland won't become the Panama Canal 2.0.
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amercer said:

So we had to ask Denmark permission to get a deal to not ask them permission to do things that we had asked them permission for in the past and they had never said no to.

Whew that must have been a doozy


Put down the shovel, talafreako
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Maroon Dawn said:

It's a security agreement and according to the news, supposed to be ratified at the next UN general assembly

But you know, nothing official

Once ratified, does it need to go through Congress, or does it go through Congress first?

For any hardcore politics wonks out there, it would be much appreciated.
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This is spiking the ball at the Maroon and White game. We were always going to defend it, Denmark was always going to let us do whatever we wanted, they keep sovereign control over the populace and economy and resources....

Yup. Status quo maintained.

Sure, you can laud the massive "art of the deal victory: I guess but come on, this is a propaganda victory at best being upheld during an extremely unpopular war prior to a momentous mid terms. Everyone can admit that, even to yourself when you are alone if you don't want to online.
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amercer said:

At the beginning of Trumps insane take over Greenland push, the Danes came out and said that they had no issue with the bases, or new bases, or the treaty that existed that allowed for bases.

But congrats on the huge win on one of the most pressing issues for Americans. I look forward to this being front and center in all the mid term advertising

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1951 Defense Agreement
Denmark gave the U.S. very broad authority inside designated defense areas, but the U.S. could not simply establish new bases wherever it wanted. Defense areas were those that the two governments mutually agreed were necessary. The agreement explicitly preserved Danish sovereignty.

1968 nuclear weapons
After a nuclear-armed U.S. B-52 crashed near Thule, Denmark demanded stronger guarantees. The resulting U.S.-Danish agreement stated that the U.S. would not store nuclear weapons in Greenland or fly nuclear-armed aircraft over Greenland without Denmark's consent.

Chemical/biological testing
In the same 1968 discussions, Denmark obtained U.S. assurances that chemical or biological warfare testing in Greenland would require Danish consent.

2004 Igaliku agreements
Denmark, Greenland and the U.S. revised the arrangement. Thule Air Basenow Pituffik Space Basewas designated the only U.S. defense area, and establishing additional defense areas remained subject to agreement. U.S. operations also became subject to agreed environmental standards and consultation involving Greenland's government.


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Station Nord / the proposed U.S. base in northeast Greenland in the early 1950s.

  • Under the 1951 U.S.Danish Defense Agreement, the United States had broad authority to build military facilities inside agreed defense areas. But creating an additional defense area required agreement between the two governments. In other words, the United States did not have a unilateral treaty right to establish a new permanent base somewhere else in Greenland.
  • In 195152, U.S. military planners considered establishing a substantial U.S.-controlled installation in northeast Greenland, around what became Station Nord. Proposals included an airfield/emergency bomber base, radar, navigation, weather, search-and-rescue, and other military functions.
  • The United States repeatedly sought Danish permission for what was described as an "outlying base" under U.S. control. Denmark did not grant that permission. The historical research based on the Danish government-commissioned DUPI study states that "the permission was never given," and that in 1953 the United States formally abandoned its plans for its own base in northeast Greenland.
  • Denmark instead established Station Nord under Danish control. The U.S. could support and use it for limited purposes, such as emergency landings, but it did not become an American defense area comparable to Thule. Danish official Eske Brun later summarized Denmark's objective as wanting to "keep them out of there."
Denmark actually withheld approval for a proposed U.S.-controlled base outside the existing defense areas, and the U.S. did not establish that base.


Denmark restricted the US numerous times in the past. Denmark can no longer restrict the US.

Sorry your girl lost.
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I can't figure out what's funnier. The broke ass Dutch asking the broke ass EU to bail them out on this deal or the resident Dems trying to turn this into a loss.
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EFR said:

You do know what their opinion on us military bases was prior to all this, right?
Here is a hint..we have to ask and they literally never say no.

They LITERALLY have said no before.
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AMAZING TRUMP

HAPPY I VOTED FOR HIM

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Per AI Trump's deal is much better than the 1951 treaty. I guess AI is MAGA.
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Boogie2988Ag said:

Per AI Trump's deal is much better than the 1951 treaty. I guess AI is MAGA.

Well... yeah

"Intelligence" IS what the "I" stands for, no?
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Would like a citation please for the US base that was denied. Not calling you a liar but I am unaware of such a thing and would like to educate myself.

The rest of the points are readily dismiss-able btw.
 
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