AI going rogue...

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ErnestEndeavor
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The problem with AI is that combining things is not difficult. For example, if I prompted an AI to generate an image of a cat riding a velociraptor while holding a vacuum cleaner it will be able to generate it. The model knows what a cat is, what a velociraptor is, and what a vacuum cleaner is. It likely has not been trained on many images of a cat riding a velociraptor whie holding a vacuum cleaner.

An AI will know what a child looks like and some AI models have been trained on adult sexual images. What has to happen to prevent the two from being combined is that the harness controlling the LLM has to be tightly programmed to reject the prompt. I think that's the crux of the lawsuit here, that Grok is not effectively blocking the prompts from being run and is not doing an adequate job of banning users who attempt such things.
ErnestEndeavor
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Rossticus said:

Here's the recent 7th circuit ruling and some Fox News commentary.

https://media.ca7.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/OpinionsWeb/processWebInputExternal.pl?Submit=Display&Path=Y2026/D08-25/C:25-1354:J:Lee:aut:T:fnOp:N:3597567:S:0

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/appeals-court-delivers-unsettling-ruling-supreme-court-left-no-choice.amp


Should be noted here that he was charged with four counts including production, distribution, and possession. The possession charge was thrown out but the production and transmission charges were left intact. Production actually carries the most severe federal penalty if I'm not mistaken.
Psycho Bunny
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A. G. Pennypacker said:

How long before your financial institution gets hacked and drains your 401K

Guess I'll work till I die.
New slogan for Aggie football.

"abandon all hope, ye who enter here"
infinity ag
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infinity ag
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We are approaching the phase where disappointment is setting in on what AI can actually do. The example here shows that things are going to go KABOOM in the near future and then sanity will prevail.

The sunshine pumpers will now claim they never pumped anything.

In a few years we are going to see some good use cases which AI can solve very nicely without the hype factor. These days on Linkedin, everyone claims to be "in AI". That will fade away, much like how everyone was a Data Scientist 10 years ago.


Exposing Hypocrisy - one CEO at a time
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ErnestEndeavor
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Great interview with a guy who's business is helping businesses set up AI and other software. This interview focuses on how LLMs work and why the big frontier companies are in trouble.

He also goes into AI safety and how it is actually the behavior and bad practices of the frontier companies which are making the technology "dangerous."

Muy
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AG
Dumb question, but when you say something like humans using Claude to hack into OpenAI, are you saying it it getting to OpenAI's code and able to manipulate the models?
agracer
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AG
MouthBQ98 said:

These younger generations that have less critical thinking skills and practice and no base of knowledge outside of AI provided results will not be able to spot manipulation and hallucinations by AI. They will be easy marks for propaganda, fraud, misinformation, or just AI slip and junk and will not have the skills or knowledge to detect it. They'll get more vulnerable as AI gets better at this and they become more dependent and trusting. It's going to become a serious problem within another generation or two as a majority of the population lacks the intelligence and knowledge to still see through it. Their only hope may turn out to be their own personal AI agent to detect such manipulation attempts but the better AI will tend to win that battle.

This entire endeavor is also going to iteratively pollute our knowledge base with AI slop information.


This, I've tried using Google AI for some stuff and when I check one day, I get one answer, then a few days later I get a different answer.
ErnestEndeavor
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No. He starts talking about it that 27:52 in the video.

I'm sure I won't summarize it correctly, but the hackers were able to get into OpenAI's internal Github via vulnerabilities in how ChatGPT set up their o-auth and single sign on.

They used Claude for a few things but it seems to be mostly humans finding an easily exploited vulnerability that should not have existed.

They didn't modify anything inside the systems and alerted OpenAI to the vulnerability.
ErnestEndeavor
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That's how LLMs work. They are non-deterministic and will not give a normative output. LLMs are trained to output tokens that are mathematically reasonable given the prompt so the output can vary.

Sid Farkas
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A. G. Pennypacker said:

How long before your financial institution gets hacked and drains your 401K

We don't need new laws against hacking - we already have them.

What's going on now is the AI companies are orchestrating an effort to get a pass for the hacking they have already committed and want to commit going forward.
aggiehawg
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GIGO.

AI is never perfect because it is human designed and programmed. Even the best software designers screw up in some manner or another. A thousand beta tests will not reveal every crook and nanny of vulnerability.

That is in no way saying it is not very dangerous. It is. I used to consider TexAgs as largely populated by very educated, smart and common sense based posters. Yet, using AI crap such as Chat and Claude is akin to using wiki as sources.
Rossticus
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STOP CALLING IT AI

Rossticus
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But also, AI will likely make future generations dumber and far less self reliant… and we'll apparently applaud.

BadMoonRisin
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It's not Artificial Intelligence, it's a brain crutch for the ******ed.

And we are going to see how far this goes, I guess.

Jensen Huang is a fraud.

It's good for meeting notes for the ones I cant make, so thats good. Pretty much everything is completely FAKE. It gives you **** output and it doesnt work. There. I said it.
The Collective
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All hail the incoming regressive evolution of the human species.
Saltwater Assassin
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The Collective said:

All hail the incoming regressive evolution of the human species.


In all fairness, this started well before AI. We've been getting dumber for a while.
 
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