BusterAg said:

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Iced-T14 said:

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BusterAg said:

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Iced-T14 said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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Iced-T14 said:

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People that have passed away or moved in/out of state would probably be the 2 biggest causes.

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The biggest cause is democrats needing fake voters to rig elections. But you know that.

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And the moon landing was fake

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If something is working well, look for who has an incentive for that thing not working well, and that is the cause for that thing not working well.

Who else has an incentive to have inflated voter roles?

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If that's the basis for a conspiracy, then anything could be construed. Trumps numbers were falling, so he staged an assassination attempt. It worked well the first time, so he tried it again. OR if we want to keep looking specifically at voting, you can look at the Massie/Gallrein election and the unusually high numbers there.

Do I believe he staged the attempt or that the Massie election was rigged? No, but the same "logic" is there.

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1) Do you believe that the voter registration system is working well?

2) Do you believe that there is another organization that has more incentive than the democrats for it working poorly?

3) Why does that organization have a stronger incentive than the democrats?

4) Do you believe that people respond to incentives?

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1) I believe there needs to be more outreach to get new voters registered and better purging of records, however the purge should be done carefully to not disenfranchise voters. (I.e someone who moved from Texas to North Carolina during an election should not have their Texas presidential vote stricken as long as they did not vote in NC)

2) I believe republicans have just as much vested interest in drumming up conspiracies of election fraud as the democrats have of purportedly committing it at the wide scale hinted at and accused by the above graphic and other posters here.

3) Trump republicans have rallied the base around rigged elections, donations have skyrocketed, attempting to put more barriers around voting, have been given rational for challenging unfavorable outcomes (past, present, and future), and a permanently existent "boogeyman" of fraud. Further, I worry that increased measures will disenfranchise voters (minorities who typically vote D and the elderly who typically vote R, not to mention actively deployed military).

4) People absolutely respond to incentives and bribery, but you can't state that it's something only 1 party does. Corruption runs both ways. As long as we have elections, there will be fraud, however Heritage's reporting shows that it occurs pretty evenly between the left and right. There is a delicate balance here as I truly believe that fraud cannot and will not be fully eliminated. We need to strike a balance between limiting fraud without removing lawful votes being cast

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1) I believe there needs to be more outreach to get new voters registered and better purging of records, however the purge should be done carefully to not disenfranchise voters. (I.e someone who moved from Texas to North Carolina during an election should not have their Texas presidential vote stricken as long as they did not vote in NC)

2) I believe republicans have just as much vested interest in drumming up conspiracies of election fraud as the democrats have of purportedly committing it at the wide scale hinted at and accused by the above graphic and other posters here.

3) Trump republicans have rallied the base around rigged elections, donations skyrocketed, putting more barriers around voting, rational for challenging unfavorable outcomes, and a permanently existent "boogeyman" of fraud. Further, I worry that increased measures will disenfranchise voters (minorities who typically vote D and the elderly who typically vote R, not to mention actively deployed military).

4) People absolutely respond to incentives and bribery, but you can't state that it's something only 1 party does. Corruption runs both ways. As long as we have elections, there will be fraud, however Heritage's reporting shows that it occurs pretty evenly between the left and right.

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There are NO barriers to voting.

That's categorically untrue and is an asinine reply. If anything, you're just proving my point regarding scare tactics and boogiemen.

Any friction added to the voting process is a barrier

Iced-T14 said:

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That's categorically untrue and is an asinine reply. If anything, you're just proving my point regarding scare tactics and boogiemen.

Any friction added to the voting process is a barrier

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It is easier to vote than to attend the Democratic National Convention.

Which of these should have more attention on providing better access to potential voters?

BusterAg said:

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Iced-T14 said:

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That's categorically untrue and is an asinine reply. If anything, you're just proving my point regarding scare tactics and boogiemen.

Any friction added to the voting process is a barrier

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It is easier to vote than to attend the Democratic National Convention.

Which of these should have more attention on providing better access to potential voters?

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I think I've made my viewpoints pretty clear here. We should do everything we can to help all legal voters cast votes regardless of political affiliation. Anything less is counter to the democratic process. The DNC and RNC are private events for private groups and are welcome to establish whatever barriers they want. I'm happy to reply exactly the same to any other false equivalencies you have

Iced-T14 said:

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2) I believe republicans have just as much vested interest in drumming up conspiracies of election fraud as the democrats have of purportedly committing it at the wide scale hinted at and accused by the above graphic and other posters here.

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The Democrats could do a much better job of allaying those fears of voting fraud by actually following all of the election laws in the cities where they run the election processes.

There is a huge difference between saying that no widescale election fraud has been proven and saying that no widescale instances of disregarding and / or breaking election laws.

The nation as a whole doesn't trust the election process. This isn't because the GOP is scaring up bogeymen. It's because of the bad actions of election workers across the country, who have broken the laws pretty substantially, multiple times, and who refuse to allow the SAVE act to pass, which would also allay fears about election fraud without preventing people from voting.

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I think I've made my viewpoints pretty clear here. We should do everything we can to help all legal voters cast votes regardless of political affiliation.

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No we don't. We just need to make sure all legal voters are allowed to vote only once. There is no hardship in this day and age that there are impediments to voting. Convince me otherwise, post examples.

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I think I've made my viewpoints pretty clear here. We should do everything we can to help all legal voters cast votes regardless of political affiliation.

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No we don't. We just need to make sure all legal voters are allowed to vote only once. There is no hardship in this day and age that there are impediments to voting. Convince me otherwise, post examples.

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I agree with you. 1 vote per eligible citizen. Best way to accomplish that is a national registry so people can't vote in multiple cities or states.

Iced-T14 said:

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That's categorically untrue and is an asinine reply. If anything, you're just proving my point regarding scare tactics and boogiemen.

Any friction added to the voting process is a barrier

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Nah. Atlanta had no trouble adding thousands of votes to the 2020 election. They didn't even need voters.