Well I don't think we have that degree of commitment nor work ethic, but I agree we are fine.

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May be notable that there was an article a few days ago about Trump reaching out to Ford, GM, and others to discuss their participation in ramping up military resources ala WWII.

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I saw that last week.

Whether it's 1 year or 5 years one thing that is not debatable.

Trump's first term ended with him not in good favor with the MIC.

Trump 2.0 is definitely loved by the MIC.
When you have John Bolten and Linsey Graham celebrating you know it's been achieved.

The MIC probably loves this report even if not true. The end result will be more contracts and more money to be made.

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At the height of the war effort during WW2, the US was pushing out a B-24 heavy bomber once an hour. And that was at a single Ford plant in Michigan.

We're fine.

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A factory that no longer exists made a lot of bombers 80 years ago so we're fine?

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On the scale of long term bad things for the US and the rest of the globe Iran having a nuke is #1. If they get nukes those crazy bass-tards will use them. They will also hold the rest of the world hostage like they are doing with the Straight. Everything else is just noise. Re: China/Taiwan let's be real. That threat has been around for decades and has not really changed much. Some saber rattling here and there but nothing has changed. Iran getting a nuke changes the math drastically.

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That's a bet you're making…but just be aware if it goes wrong…China taking Taiwan is likely worse than Iran getting a nuke.

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Again, if China wants Taiwan they can take it regardless of how many conventional weapons we stockpile

Iran should pay for our used missiles

China isnt doing jack *****

They've now been drawing down their crude supplies to cover their shortages. More importantly they've been exposed. The US just has to stop shipped imports of crude which is easy to do from far away. In addition to everything else they import.

China may take Taiwain but all seaborne imports would be blockaded far from their ability to project power.

We are not getting into direct conflict with China.

We will be fine.

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"It's on the internet, so it's true " - Abraham Lincoln while signing the Magna Carta

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Um, I believe he crossed The Potomac on Christmas Eve!
Hello? Is this thing on?>

Hopefully one of you is a congressman - what defense contractors will benefit from rebuilding our stockpile? This sure sounds like a buying opportunity if all of this isn't already baked into the stock prices.

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At the height of the war effort during WW2, the US was pushing out a B-24 heavy bomber once an hour. And that was at a single Ford plant in Michigan.

We're fine.

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No *****..these morons acting as if a barely fought two month war with Iran has so depleted our stockpiles of bombs that we made Taiwan and the world vulnerable to China and Russia invasion is comical. For Christ's sake no one on earth would seriously believe we were that vulnerable...I hope.

Well fortunately China isn't going to take Taiwan because they need oil and food and they don't have anywhere close to the amount they need to survive a U.S. blockade of their shipping lanes.

This is simply a non-issue. The "fear China" narrative is played out.

LOYAL AG said:

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Well fortunately China isn't going to take Taiwan because they need oil and food and they don't have anywhere close to the amount they need to survive a U.S. blockade of their shipping lanes.

This is simply a non-issue. The "fear China" narrative is played out.

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To be fair, we have no idea what that would be like.

Youre looking at a potential WWIII where weird alliances pop up across the world

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LOYAL AG said:

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Well fortunately China isn't going to take Taiwan because they need oil and food and they don't have anywhere close to the amount they need to survive a U.S. blockade of their shipping lanes.

This is simply a non-issue. The "fear China" narrative is played out.

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To be fair, we have no idea what that would be like.

Youre looking at a potential WWIII where weird alliances pop up across the world

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Disagree. Who came to the aid of Venezuela and Iran? Nobody. Not even China who was their biggest ally. Remember what we learned from those two actions. The Chinese can't be relied upon to help you if you get cross with the U.S. There's simply no reason to think their "allies" are going to come to their aid when roles are reversed.

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LOYAL AG said:

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Well fortunately China isn't going to take Taiwan because they need oil and food and they don't have anywhere close to the amount they need to survive a U.S. blockade of their shipping lanes.

This is simply a non-issue. The "fear China" narrative is played out.

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To be fair, we have no idea what that would be like.

Youre looking at a potential WWIII where weird alliances pop up across the world

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Disagree. Who came to the aid of Venezuela and Iran? Nobody. Not even China who was their biggest ally. Remember what we learned from those two actions. The Chinese can't be relied upon to help you if you get cross with the U.S. There's simply no reason to think their "allies" are going to come to their aid when roles are reversed.

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Perhaps, but weird things continually happen with the Chinese and theyre good at pissing people off too.

Couple of thoughts/questions -

1) Has Taiwan not prepared their own defense against an amphibious assault from China? I thought that they have

2) Are the weapons we might be low on inventory the same weapons that would be used in a predominantly naval battle theater?

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Depends on how you look at it. Getting our pilots and navy very real experience while setting back the Iran nuclear program by at least 3-5 years is anything but a disaster.

Every fool literally has a stage to proclaim his opinion these days, and I fear the average citizen's ability to filter noise and think for himself is suspect.

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This is true. As long as China doesn't invade Taiwan.

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And if China does invade Taiwan, how involved should we be in that conflict?

We have our Nukes. United States is nowhere near in a position it can't defend itself

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K2-HMFIC said:

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Depends on how you look at it. Getting our pilots and navy very real experience while setting back the Iran nuclear program by at least 3-5 years is anything but a disaster.

Every fool literally has a stage to proclaim his opinion these days, and I fear the average citizen's ability to filter noise and think for himself is suspect.

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This is true. As long as China doesn't invade Taiwan.

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And if China does invade Taiwan, how involved should we be in that conflict?

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Very involved, until Taiwan no longer houses a massive lead in semiconductor technology.

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Iran should pay for our used missiles

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No we need reusable missiles.

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K2-HMFIC said:

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AlexNguyen said:

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Depends on how you look at it. Getting our pilots and navy very real experience while setting back the Iran nuclear program by at least 3-5 years is anything but a disaster.

Every fool literally has a stage to proclaim his opinion these days, and I fear the average citizen's ability to filter noise and think for himself is suspect.

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This is true. As long as China doesn't invade Taiwan.

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And if China does invade Taiwan, how involved should we be in that conflict?

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https://www.amazon.com/Chip-War-Worlds-Critical-Technology/dp/1982172002

Great Primer on the on-going Cold War.



It's all about semiconductor manufacturing. If we own that sooner rather than later, we win. If we concede that capacity to China? Big strategic mistake.

Well we made them to make the world safer…. I think it's probably a safer place now. Little target shooting

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Well fortunately China isn't going to take Taiwan because they need oil and food and they don't have anywhere close to the amount they need to survive a U.S. blockade of their shipping lanes.

This is simply a non-issue. The "fear China" narrative is played out.

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To be fair, we have no idea what that would be like.

Youre looking at a potential WWIII where weird alliances pop up across the world

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Disagree. Who came to the aid of Venezuela and Iran? Nobody. Not even China who was their biggest ally. Remember what we learned from those two actions. The Chinese can't be relied upon to help you if you get cross with the U.S. There's simply no reason to think their "allies" are going to come to their aid when roles are reversed.

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Perhaps, but weird things continually happen with the Chinese and theyre good at pissing people off too.

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Iran and Venezuela were very much about reminding China who runs the global economy. I'm very confident that message has been conveyed based on China's actions in the immediate wake of those events. A year ago I was concerned with where Xi's head was at but not today. He's not looking at our stockpiles of conventional weapons and thinking, "Oooh, now's the time to act!" He's looking at how easily we disrupted their flow of oil and realizing their economy collapses if he picks the fight. We control global shipping and everyone knows it, including China.

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At current rates, he's not wrong. It would absolutely take that long. Contracts have been signed to increase production levels, but those take time to ramp up. Couple in the pricing fluctuations of the raw material required to manufacture said munitions, the cost is increasing as well. Initial lead times will also increase as the raw mat suppliers work to increase their capacity. It's not a good situation to be in for the moment. This administration should have waited a year to launch this large of an attack (especially given last summer's Operation Midnight Hammer attack).

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Israel called the shot on the timing.

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Clarification: Israel had actionable, high quality intelligence on the location of Iran's leadership at a specific point in time. The unique opportunity to perform a decapitation strike on Iran is what dictated the timing.

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We might need to change the definition of decapitated.

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Why? Iran's executive leadership in place on that day was terminated. That Iran kept finding less experienced replacements to promote doesn't change the reality that their former bosses were killed. The point is that we, thanks to Israel, had a short lived opportunity and took it. Waiting a year would have been pointless.

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Something that is decapitated is dead and no longer able to cause harm.
Have you ever decapitated a water moccasin with a shovel ?
The shovel is fine and the two pieces of the snake are put in the trash. Iran does not meet the normal description of something that has been "decapitated"

A side effect of this war was to advertise the effectiveness of the U.S. weapons systems. That in itself is a good detriment and it is not bad for buisness.

Good news: everyone will want our missiles
Bad news: it will be years before allies let alone our own military can get restocked

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China isnt doing jack *****

They've now been drawing down their crude supplies to cover their shortages. More importantly they've been exposed. The US just has to stop shipped imports of crude which is easy to do from far away. In addition to everything else they import.

China may take Taiwain but all seaborne imports would be blockaded far from their ability to project power.

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If anything with China goes kinetic, the three gorges dam will be destroyed. The destruction to China's infrastructure and ability to support a war effort will be greatly diminished.

What I find interesting and frustrating about these threads is that the people that "know" what our actual stockpiles numbers are aren't talking. They'd be in Leavenworth if they did.

Most of these articles and threads are clickbait. Has HIMARS production increased? Pretty sure it has. Patriot missile production increased? Pretty sure it has as well. Tomahawks... I bet. Artillery shells, most definitely.

If actual sensitive information was leaking to the public heads would roll.

Who is this dude? How would he know this information?

Did you read what was posted? The planned increased production is factored in

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Iran should pay for our used missiles

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Yep - the spoils of war. And replenish our strategic oil reserves

Also, if China moves on Taiwan, we just being Fauci and his henchmen out of retirement to release Covid 20 on their asses. By then he should have it dialed in to affect mostly military aged men.

I do not know. But if OP is correct, it would explain why we don't finish them off.

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At current rates, he's not wrong. It would absolutely take that long. Contracts have been signed to increase production levels, but those take time to ramp up. Couple in the pricing fluctuations of the raw material required to manufacture said munitions, the cost is increasing as well. Initial lead times will also increase as the raw mat suppliers work to increase their capacity. It's not a good situation to be in for the moment. This administration should have waited a year to launch this large of an attack (especially given last summer's Operation Midnight Hammer attack).

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Israel called the shot on the timing.

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Clarification: Israel had actionable, high quality intelligence on the location of Iran's leadership at a specific point in time. The unique opportunity to perform a decapitation strike on Iran is what dictated the timing.

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We might need to change the definition of decapitated.

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Why? Iran's executive leadership in place on that day was terminated. That Iran kept finding less experienced replacements to promote doesn't change the reality that their former bosses were killed. The point is that we, thanks to Israel, had a short lived opportunity and took it. Waiting a year would have been pointless.

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Something that is decapitated is dead and no longer able to cause harm.
Have you ever decapitated a water moccasin with a shovel ?
The shovel is fine and the two pieces of the snake are put in the trash. Iran does not meet the normal description of something that has been "decapitated"

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Right. More like we stepped on the snake, the snake bit us, and now we are just standing there hissing at them while "truthing" how tough we are.

I didnt think about the Three Gs damn.
I have a friend that is a civil engineer and visited China. Went through the locks and was able to touch the wall.

A chunk of concrete came off in her hand. Shes not a big person and she was shocked at the poor quality.

Thing may fail all on its own.

LOYAL AG said:

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Well fortunately China isn't going to take Taiwan because they need oil and food and they don't have anywhere close to the amount they need to survive a U.S. blockade of their shipping lanes.

This is simply a non-issue. The "fear China" narrative is played out.

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China's economy is not in good shape and is largely dependent on us and the west. To top it off we can cut them off from their oil imports.

Also they have never invaded another country by sea and their military is not battle tested.

They would be looking at another Russia/Ukraine war, losing A LOT just to gain an island that will be destroyed by the time they take it

Would be pretty dumb and a massive mistake