Hank the Grifter said:

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Guy that blames CEOs for everything, goes on a rant about CEO blaming others for everything.

Film at 11.

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CEOs are people too

Infection_Ag11 said:

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HR departments are essentially jobs programs for toxic middle aged women without any real marketable skills. They are the socially appropriate outlet for behaviors that would otherwise commonly be labeled as Karen-esque.

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The most accurate post on this entire thread. HR is full of people with no skill, talent, or creativity but they have power and the metoo/dei/woke crap happened at the perfect time for these ditch diggers to infect corporate America. A lot of businesses are relegating HR to the trunk where they belong.

HR should handle paperwork, not hiring. They know the absolute least about every function of the company.

VP at Pierce and Pierce said:

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Infection_Ag11 said:

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HR departments are essentially jobs programs for toxic middle aged women without any real marketable skills. They are the socially appropriate outlet for behaviors that would otherwise commonly be labeled as Karen-esque.

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The most accurate post on this entire thread. HR is full of people with no skill, talent, or creativity but they have power and the metoo/dei/woke crap happened at the perfect time for these ditch diggers to infect corporate America. A lot of businesses are relegating HR to the trunk where they belong.

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It was a good post, but Infection removed it. His wife must have seen it and beat his ass.

Nm

VP at Pierce and Pierce said:

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Infection_Ag11 said:

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HR departments are essentially jobs programs for toxic middle aged women without any real marketable skills. They are the socially appropriate outlet for behaviors that would otherwise commonly be labeled as Karen-esque.

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The most accurate post on this entire thread. HR is full of people with no skill, talent, or creativity but they have power and the metoo/dei/woke crap happened at the perfect time for these ditch diggers to infect corporate America. A lot of businesses are relegating HR to the trunk where they belong.

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So I'm not in HR now, but previously spent a number of years in HR for a large, global company. I'd really love to sit down over multiple beers with some of y'all to hear more about experiences with HR. I share many of the same opinions.

If the purpose of the thread is just to have some fun venting and sharing bad HR experience, no issue. Many of those HR departments and people have definitely earned it.

But if anyone has questions about where HR has been, where it's going and why, happy to share an insider's perspective (well, a former insider).

I started (over 30 years ago) as a union buster and spent my time between the site(s) and the union halls. It's some of the roughest, least glamorous, high risk parts of the HR skill pool, and most HR folks want nothing to do with it. Getting called a bunch of nasty names by huge union dudes (and then drinking beer with them after). I loved it and line leaders appreciated having someone who could help them focus on running the plant rather than their managing contractual issues and labor disruptions.

But a promotion to a corporate HR job completely destroyed my interest in HR. So I left and went back into a field-type of role. And looking at HR today....I would never, ever go back into a corporate type of HR role.

My previous question appears to have disappeared.

What is the alternative to a CEO that you believe should be running private companies?

Life without HR at your company. https://t.co/HMFYIaCLfa pic.twitter.com/qAzfZH7BVa

— Codie Sanchez (@Codie_Sanchez) May 22, 2026

CALLING ALL HR PEOPLE ON TEXAGS!

Everyone here is trashing HR folks, but I haven't heard any or much from HR folks themselves. Come and defend yourselves.

My take? Every (ok 95%) job is useful including HR. Allowing HR full of menopausal angry self-righteous white women to take over companies do whatever they wanted including DEI was the problem. Ultimate blame again lies with the old white CEO who achieved a lot and now wants female adulation before he dies.

Sweep4-2 said:

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VP at Pierce and Pierce said:

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Infection_Ag11 said:

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HR departments are essentially jobs programs for toxic middle aged women without any real marketable skills. They are the socially appropriate outlet for behaviors that would otherwise commonly be labeled as Karen-esque.

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The most accurate post on this entire thread. HR is full of people with no skill, talent, or creativity but they have power and the metoo/dei/woke crap happened at the perfect time for these ditch diggers to infect corporate America. A lot of businesses are relegating HR to the trunk where they belong.

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So I'm not in HR now, but previously spent a number of years in HR for a large, global company. I'd really love to sit down over multiple beers with some of y'all to hear more about experiences with HR. I share many of the same opinions.

If the purpose of the thread is just to have some fun venting and sharing bad HR experience, no issue. Many of those HR departments and people have definitely earned it.

But if anyone has questions about where HR has been, where it's going and why, happy to share an insider's perspective (well, a former insider).

I started (over 30 years ago) as a union buster and spent my time between the site(s) and the union halls. It's some of the roughest, least glamorous, high risk parts of the HR skill pool, and most HR folks want nothing to do with it. Getting called a bunch of nasty names by huge union dudes (and then drinking beer with them after). I loved it and line leaders appreciated having someone who could help them focus on running the plant rather than their managing contractual issues and labor disruptions.

But a promotion to a corporate HR job completely destroyed my interest in HR. So I left and went back into a field-type of role. And looking at HR today....I would never, ever go back into a corporate type of HR role.

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Kick all the women out of HR and HR will Made Great Again.

infinity ag said:

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CALLING ALL HR PEOPLE ON TEXAGS!

Everyone here is trashing HR folks, but I haven't heard any or much from HR folks themselves. Come and defend yourselves.

My take? Every (ok 95%) job is useful including HR. Allowing HR full of menopausal angry self-righteous white women to take over companies do whatever they wanted including DEI was the problem. Ultimate blame again lies with the old white CEO who achieved a lot and now wants female adulation before he dies.

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I replied above, sort of. Spent the first half of my 30 year career in HR before moving to something else.

Honestly, HR jobs vary by company size, location, industry, etc.

One of my friends is an "HR Manager" and she's basically a payroll and scheduling clerk who helps put together the company newsletter and that's it.

Another friend is an HR Manager at a giant energy company and manages a team of HR, Finance and Pension specialists in multiple countries.

Same title, to drastically different jobs.

As someone who had worked and led HR for 30+ years, this I know: the government has turned employers into tax collectors, health care providers, and enforcers of the civil rights act. You need HR, but HR has to work for the company. Never make the company work for HR. Letting HR run the company is like letting Fauci run the economy.

I hear ya' but respectfully disagree. But some of the HR/IR women I worked with in my early career days (in the plants) were some of the toughest, smartest, meanest people I've ever worked for. Absolute pitbulls with no energy/time for fluff.

And I mean that in an extremely complimentary way. Definitely not the crusaders and control Karens being referred to by others on the thread.

Sweep4-2 said:

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VP at Pierce and Pierce said:

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Infection_Ag11 said:

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HR departments are essentially jobs programs for toxic middle aged women without any real marketable skills. They are the socially appropriate outlet for behaviors that would otherwise commonly be labeled as Karen-esque.

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The most accurate post on this entire thread. HR is full of people with no skill, talent, or creativity but they have power and the metoo/dei/woke crap happened at the perfect time for these ditch diggers to infect corporate America. A lot of businesses are relegating HR to the trunk where they belong.

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So I'm not in HR now, but previously spent a number of years in HR for a large, global company. I'd really love to sit down over multiple beers with some of y'all to hear more about experiences with HR. I share many of the same opinions.

If the purpose of the thread is just to have some fun venting and sharing bad HR experience, no issue. Many of those HR departments and people have definitely earned it.

But if anyone has questions about where HR has been, where it's going and why, happy to share an insider's perspective (well, a former insider).

I started (over 30 years ago) as a union buster and spent my time between the site(s) and the union halls. It's some of the roughest, least glamorous, high risk parts of the HR skill pool, and most HR folks want nothing to do with it. Getting called a bunch of nasty names by huge union dudes (and then drinking beer with them after). I loved it and line leaders appreciated having someone who could help them focus on running the plant rather than their managing contractual issues and labor disruptions.

But a promotion to a corporate HR job completely destroyed my interest in HR. So I left and went back into a field-type of role. And looking at HR today....I would never, ever go back into a corporate type of HR role.

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You bring up several areas where HR, employee relations, labor relations, etc are needed within an organization, typically at the larger scales and when certain employee pools need to be managed (unions are the prime example).

My experience in corporate and in small (very small) businesses. My quick take is the overall dissent and disregard for HR is with the "corporate HR" jobs that you recognize destroyed your interest in the area. Most all would have minimal experience in the areas you spent most of your career in, so let he HR attacks slide off as they don't seem to apply to what you do / did.

With companies like Paycom, you should not need a dedicated HR person until you get into the 100s of employees range. Else, a bit of outsourcing and a bit of common sense personnel skills should let most get by without one. If needed, hire a consultant when you need to fire people or have an HR situation that needs extra handling. We had one for a number of years and it was phenomenal.

Appreciate you chiming in here to offer a bit different perspective.

In the last 20 years, HR org have been taken over by women. Over 70% of HR dept's are now led by women. It was the EEOC sacrificial lamb to get female C-suite representation; followed by Marketing now with nearly 60% led by women. Put females in charge or you are default guilty of discrimination and lawsuits followed. Hence why HR orgs are a mess and how you get things like Bud Light, Cracker Barrel and Jaguar marketing disasters.

There is little change in C-suite representation in line roles.

Thanks, much appreciated!! Yeah, happy to hop in and offer what I can.

But I also realize my perspective is limited to one giant global company in a mature industry. And that it's a very different space than small companies in rapidly evolving industries...totally different dynamic.

As far as being worried about the comments in general....it's no issue. After working industrial relations jobs for a while, you become immune to insults, allegations and feelings in general ;-)

japantiger said:

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In the last 20 years, HR org have been taken over by women. Over 70% of HR dept's are now led by women. It was the EEOC sacrificial lamb to get female C-suite representation; followed by Marketing now with nearly 60% led by women. Put females in charge or you are default guilty of discrimination and lawsuits followed. Hence why HR orgs are a mess and how you get things like Bud Light, Cracker Barrel and Jaguar marketing disasters.

There is little change in C-suite representation in line roles.

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Really this boils down to stronger men reasserting themselves in marriage. Step up and tell your woman how to behave at her job.

A lot of this could be resolved by stronger men banding together and calling weaker men out for not controlling their women better. Fathers, make sure you raise your girls to be good listeners and strong, but silent workers in the professional environment.

Making these changes will go a long way to resolve the women in the workplace problem. Same could be said of resolving a lot of issues women have created for themselves.

Follow flown-the-coop for more information on remaking the modern woman.

Sweep4-2 said:

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I hear ya' but respectfully disagree. But some of the HR/IR women I worked with in my early career days (in the plants) were some of the toughest, smartest, meanest people I've ever worked for. Absolute pitbulls with no energy/time for fluff.

And I mean that in an extremely complimentary way. Definitely not the crusaders and control Karens being referred to by others on the thread.

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Yes, but the 20% Karens ruined everything for everybody.
And 100% of the Karens were WOMEN.

Solution: Remove women from HR. Bring in men. You will see companies thinking logically, rationally and making no emotional decisions.

flown-the-coop said:

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japantiger said:

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In the last 20 years, HR org have been taken over by women. Over 70% of HR dept's are now led by women. It was the EEOC sacrificial lamb to get female C-suite representation; followed by Marketing now with nearly 60% led by women. Put females in charge or you are default guilty of discrimination and lawsuits followed. Hence why HR orgs are a mess and how you get things like Bud Light, Cracker Barrel and Jaguar marketing disasters.

There is little change in C-suite representation in line roles.

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Really this boils down to stronger men reasserting themselves in marriage. Step up and tell your woman how to behave at her job.

A lot of this could be resolved by stronger men banding together and calling weaker men out for not controlling their women better. Fathers, make sure you raise your girls to be good listeners and strong, but silent workers in the professional environment.

Making these changes will go a long way to resolve the women in the workplace problem. Same could be said of resolving a lot of issues women have created for themselves.

Follow flown-the-coop for more information on remaking the modern woman.

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What will be required is for someone to go after the Gov't for forcing them into a settlement that required them to put a female in charge for no other reason than she was a female. That is a violation of the Constitution in the same manner all the gerrymandering cases have overturned 50 years of liberal orthodoxy.

WestTxWood88 said:

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As someone who had worked and led HR for 30+ years, this I know: the government has turned employers into tax collectors, health care providers, and enforcers of the civil rights act. You need HR, but HR has to work for the company. Never make the company work for HR. Letting HR run the company is like letting Fauci run the economy.

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I like this analysis.

flown-the-coop said:

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japantiger said:

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In the last 20 years, HR org have been taken over by women. Over 70% of HR dept's are now led by women. It was the EEOC sacrificial lamb to get female C-suite representation; followed by Marketing now with nearly 60% led by women. Put females in charge or you are default guilty of discrimination and lawsuits followed. Hence why HR orgs are a mess and how you get things like Bud Light, Cracker Barrel and Jaguar marketing disasters.

There is little change in C-suite representation in line roles.

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Really this boils down to stronger men reasserting themselves in marriage. Step up and tell your woman how to behave at her job.

A lot of this could be resolved by stronger men banding together and calling weaker men out for not controlling their women better. Fathers, make sure you raise your girls to be good listeners and strong, but silent workers in the professional environment.

Making these changes will go a long way to resolve the women in the workplace problem. Same could be said of resolving a lot of issues women have created for themselves.

Follow flown-the-coop for more information on remaking the modern woman.

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This This This.

We disagree on many things, but I have no problem giving you a blue star when you deserve it.

Great post.

I thought I read it here but perhaps not but in the last few years many medium to big companies have either been manipulated or decided to bring HR into the decision making process in terms of business goals, growth plans, and overall strategy. Obviously these companies then experienced disaster as HR highjacked everything and ran into the ground.
Goes back to the statement about HR running the company instead of the company running HR. And it's another example of people with no real talent or creativity finding themselves (through any means necessary) with a seat at the table.

VP at Pierce and Pierce said:

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I thought I read it here but perhaps not but in the last few years many medium to big companies have either been manipulated or decided to bring HR into the decision making process in terms of business goals, growth plans, and overall strategy. Obviously these companies then experienced disaster as HR highjacked everything and ran into the ground.
Goes back to the statement about HR running the company instead of the company running HR. And it's another example of people with no real talent or creativity finding themselves (through any means necessary) with a seat at the table.

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Strong leaders (CEOs) don't let that happen. Like Steve Jobs.
Weak leaders let everyone walk all over them. Then there are leaders who are from these "protected" groups themselves and feel pressured to fall in line. Like Tim Cook at Apple.