iceman08 said:

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Hubert J. Farnsworth said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Go to court, lose, get sent to another country. Ya know, because you are in "fear" of your original country which is why you are seeking asylum.

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Openly admitting they were lying about claims of asylum.

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95%, or more, of those millions of asylum claims are BS.

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This is false.

Now, there is fraud in many asylum claims, but it's nowhere near that high. This is hyperbolic language to lump many people seeking help into the camp of the bad actors taking advantage of the system. There are many people out there that are seeking safe refuge based on one of the protected grounds spelled out in asylum law.

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Wrong!

95%+ are "I want asylum because my country sucks". That doesn't qualify for asylum.

iceman08 said:

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Hubert J. Farnsworth said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Go to court, lose, get sent to another country. Ya know, because you are in "fear" of your original country which is why you are seeking asylum.

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Openly admitting they were lying about claims of asylum.

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95%, or more, of those millions of asylum claims are BS.

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This is false.

Now, there is fraud in many asylum claims, but it's nowhere near that high. This is hyperbolic language to lump many people seeking help into the camp of the bad actors taking advantage of the system. There are many people out there that are seeking safe refuge based on one of the protected grounds spelled out in asylum law.

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76% of asylum cases are rejected. Is that an acceptable level of fraud for you?

https://www.visaverge.com/immigration/immigration-court-sets-new-record-for-asylum-decisions-and-denials/

Asylum denial does not necessarily mean they filed a fraudulent I-589 (Asylum application). In many cases it means they just don't qualify for asylum. Asylum can be denied for many reasons, for example not filing a claim within 1 year of arrival. I'm not saying fraud doesn't exist, just trying to broadly provide some info.

Also, once somone is referred, this is for in person asylum interviews, they go in front of an immigration judge (which could take forever...).

I won't post any numbers or percentages. Just know I have worked in and studied immigration since 2010. Yall can choose to believe or not, but I wanted to bring a little clarity based on my own history.

Logos Stick said:

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iceman08 said:

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Hubert J. Farnsworth said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Go to court, lose, get sent to another country. Ya know, because you are in "fear" of your original country which is why you are seeking asylum.

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Openly admitting they were lying about claims of asylum.

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95%, or more, of those millions of asylum claims are BS.

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This is false.

Now, there is fraud in many asylum claims, but it's nowhere near that high. This is hyperbolic language to lump many people seeking help into the camp of the bad actors taking advantage of the system. There are many people out there that are seeking safe refuge based on one of the protected grounds spelled out in asylum law.

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Wrong!

95%+ are "I want asylum because my country sucks". That doesn't qualify for asylum.

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Again, the hyperbolic language is not accurate. But you are correct in stating just because conditions in the applicants home country "sucks" does not qualify for a grant of asylum. The claim must be based on one of the protected grounds stated in asylum law.

iceman08 said:

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Logos Stick said:

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iceman08 said:

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Hubert J. Farnsworth said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Go to court, lose, get sent to another country. Ya know, because you are in "fear" of your original country which is why you are seeking asylum.

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Openly admitting they were lying about claims of asylum.

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95%, or more, of those millions of asylum claims are BS.

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This is false.

Now, there is fraud in many asylum claims, but it's nowhere near that high. This is hyperbolic language to lump many people seeking help into the camp of the bad actors taking advantage of the system. There are many people out there that are seeking safe refuge based on one of the protected grounds spelled out in asylum law.

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Wrong!

95%+ are "I want asylum because my country sucks". That doesn't qualify for asylum.

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Again, the hyperbolic language is not accurate. But you are correct in stating just because conditions in the applicants home country "sucks" does not qualify for a grant of asylum. The claim must be based on one of the protected grounds stated in asylum law.

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76% ---> 95% is not hyperbolic, but $30,000,000 to $95,000 is.

Principal Uncertainty said:

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iceman08 said:

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Logos Stick said:

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iceman08 said:

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Hubert J. Farnsworth said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Go to court, lose, get sent to another country. Ya know, because you are in "fear" of your original country which is why you are seeking asylum.

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Openly admitting they were lying about claims of asylum.

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95%, or more, of those millions of asylum claims are BS.

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This is false.

Now, there is fraud in many asylum claims, but it's nowhere near that high. This is hyperbolic language to lump many people seeking help into the camp of the bad actors taking advantage of the system. There are many people out there that are seeking safe refuge based on one of the protected grounds spelled out in asylum law.

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Wrong!

95%+ are "I want asylum because my country sucks". That doesn't qualify for asylum.

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Again, the hyperbolic language is not accurate. But you are correct in stating just because conditions in the applicants home country "sucks" does not qualify for a grant of asylum. The claim must be based on one of the protected grounds stated in asylum law.

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76% ---> 95% is not hyperbolic, but $30,000,000 to $95,000 is.

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Just parcing it out a bit, 76% is a large number yes, but some of those denials are fraud, "my country sucks" claims as well as some truly believing they have a claim, so they file and try for asylum. You also have attorneys searching for anyone they can convince to file a claim, knowing full well there isn't a legal claim there. They take their money, file the claim and they never see the applicant again. So that adds to the backlog as well. Some also file just to get a work permit while they wait for their interview or court date.

I'm just saying there are several different reasons for a denial of asylum, it's not all just fraud or just "my country sucks." many people have been harmed but by the definitions provided within asylum law, they can't be granted asylum because it's not based on a protected ground.

That may be true historically but that all went out the window CBP One App. The asylum approval rate through the app was astronomical in 2024, over 40%

CBP One had its problems for sure. Being able to file an asylum application from anywhere, especially if you were already out of the country mucked up the system for people that genuinely have valid asylum claims.

And remember, this is just one way people attempted to apply for asylum. CBP One was more for people at the border just trying to cross and get an asylum screening.

There is another version of the asylum process where somone is already here in the US and they apply. Some are people that crossed the border and were not caught or they traveled here on a valid visa (student, tourist, etc.) or they were an unaccompanied alien child and they were caught, put in immigration processing and claimed asylum while their processing was going on.

Basically, there's a lot going on. So to say "95% is all fraud" or "95% is all, my country sucks" claims is too simplified of a view. Some of that absolutely happens, just not at rates that high.

Also, the stuff through CBP One was just an asylum screening, which is a very low bar to hit. But that doesn't mean those people are granted asylum, just means they met the low threshold to be put in front of an immigration judge who will determine if they should be granted or deported.

iceman08 said:

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Logos Stick said:

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iceman08 said:

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Hubert J. Farnsworth said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Go to court, lose, get sent to another country. Ya know, because you are in "fear" of your original country which is why you are seeking asylum.

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Openly admitting they were lying about claims of asylum.

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95%, or more, of those millions of asylum claims are BS.

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This is false.

Now, there is fraud in many asylum claims, but it's nowhere near that high. This is hyperbolic language to lump many people seeking help into the camp of the bad actors taking advantage of the system. There are many people out there that are seeking safe refuge based on one of the protected grounds spelled out in asylum law.

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Wrong!

95%+ are "I want asylum because my country sucks". That doesn't qualify for asylum.

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Again, the hyperbolic language is not accurate. But you are correct in stating just because conditions in the applicants home country "sucks" does not qualify for a grant of asylum. The claim must be based on one of the protected grounds stated in asylum law.

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Exponential?

Deport every single one of them.

The people that do not have a valid claim to asylum, and do no qualify for any other form of relief from deportation, should be deported. This part is correct. But they should be shown at least some compassion and dignity with respect to their own humanity.

In general, we try to do that, but I just don't want that to be forgotten about, as many people dehumanize and lump all immigrants in together, regardless of their current or pending legal status.

iceman08 said:

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Hubert J. Farnsworth said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Go to court, lose, get sent to another country. Ya know, because you are in "fear" of your original country which is why you are seeking asylum.

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Openly admitting they were lying about claims of asylum.

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95%, or more, of those millions of asylum claims are BS.

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This is false.

Now, there is fraud in many asylum claims, but it's nowhere near that high. This is hyperbolic language to lump many people seeking help into the camp of the bad actors taking advantage of the system. There are many people out there that are seeking safe refuge based on one of the protected grounds spelled out in asylum law.

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Nowhere in that asylum law is "United States" spelled out as the only asylum destination. As a matter of fact, I believe it does spell out that you go to the nearest country to escape your danger.

B-1 83 said:

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iceman08 said:

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Hubert J. Farnsworth said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Go to court, lose, get sent to another country. Ya know, because you are in "fear" of your original country which is why you are seeking asylum.

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Openly admitting they were lying about claims of asylum.

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95%, or more, of those millions of asylum claims are BS.

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This is false.

Now, there is fraud in many asylum claims, but it's nowhere near that high. This is hyperbolic language to lump many people seeking help into the camp of the bad actors taking advantage of the system. There are many people out there that are seeking safe refuge based on one of the protected grounds spelled out in asylum law.

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Nowhere in that asylum law is "United States" spelled out as the only asylum destination. As a matter of fact, I believe it does spell out that you go to the nearest country to escape your danger.

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You are correct. In many cases, many people have been required to apply for asylum in a different country, and be denied asylum in that country prior to coming here and getting a grant of asylum in the United States.

Now why do the majority of people want to come here? I assume that is obvious, because this is the best nation on the planet (in my opinion).

But also remember, sometimes people do come here legally, then stuff goes down in their home country and if they return, there is a high likelihood of them being harmed. This is not just isolated to people crossing the southern border on foot.

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Also, the stuff through CBP One was just an asylum screening, which is a very low bar to hit. But that doesn't mean those people are granted asylum, just means they met the low threshold to be put in front of an immigration judge who will determine if they should be granted or deported.

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The 40% rate was asylum being granted which is still an insane rate to grant asylum. The screening rate wa over 95% through the app.

Again, the asylum screening (which is called Credible Fear) has a low bar to hit. Then it's up to the immigration judge, which can be another problem because judges have different rates of granting or denials.

And grant rates can be impacted by many things. Now with that 40% your talking about, it all of it legitimate claims? Obviously not, fraud does exist. But it's not as high as yall make it out to be.

I'm only trying to share some info because I've actually been in this whole immigration world for a minute.

They don't have an inherent right to be here. 99% don't have a legitimate reason that requires them to be HERE.
We shouldn't be importing the third world into our country without some serious exceptions. The places they come from are third world for a reason.

I am curious though, what range of a grant rate would you think is acceptable?

Not trying to start anything, just curious.

I see where you are coming from. Our borders exist for a reason. But also, based on accepted international law, this is a problem most developed countries have and we have to have some methods to deal with the issue of illegal immigration. People have been wanting to come here since we started this grand experiment that is the US.

And now it's time to stop the madness and keep them out. We're broke.

Oh come on, we'll just print more money like we always do!

That's 100% a joke

iceman08 said:

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B-1 83 said:

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iceman08 said:

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Hubert J. Farnsworth said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Go to court, lose, get sent to another country. Ya know, because you are in "fear" of your original country which is why you are seeking asylum.

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Openly admitting they were lying about claims of asylum.

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95%, or more, of those millions of asylum claims are BS.

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This is false.

Now, there is fraud in many asylum claims, but it's nowhere near that high. This is hyperbolic language to lump many people seeking help into the camp of the bad actors taking advantage of the system. There are many people out there that are seeking safe refuge based on one of the protected grounds spelled out in asylum law.

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Nowhere in that asylum law is "United States" spelled out as the only asylum destination. As a matter of fact, I believe it does spell out that you go to the nearest country to escape your danger.

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You are correct. In many cases, many people have been required to apply for asylum in a different country, and be denied asylum in that country prior to coming here and getting a grant of asylum in the United States.

Now why do the majority of people want to come here? I assume that is obvious, because this is the best nation on the planet (in my opinion).

But also remember, sometimes people do come here legally, then stuff goes down in their home country and if they return, there is a high likelihood of them being harmed. This is not just isolated to people crossing the southern border on foot.

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No doubt those Venezuelan and Central American asylum seekers applied in every country along the way

iceman08 said:

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Logos Stick said:

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iceman08 said:

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Hubert J. Farnsworth said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Go to court, lose, get sent to another country. Ya know, because you are in "fear" of your original country which is why you are seeking asylum.

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Openly admitting they were lying about claims of asylum.

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95%, or more, of those millions of asylum claims are BS.

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This is false.

Now, there is fraud in many asylum claims, but it's nowhere near that high. This is hyperbolic language to lump many people seeking help into the camp of the bad actors taking advantage of the system. There are many people out there that are seeking safe refuge based on one of the protected grounds spelled out in asylum law.

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Wrong!

95%+ are "I want asylum because my country sucks". That doesn't qualify for asylum.

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Again, the hyperbolic language is not accurate. But you are correct in stating just because conditions in the applicants home country "sucks" does not qualify for a grant of asylum. The claim must be based on one of the protected grounds stated in asylum law.

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Show me its not accurate.

Most of this time, they do not, especially if they come on foot.

Now some fly here so it's just point A to point B.

Because I have worked and seen all of this for years. And again, I am choosing not to post any numbers or percentages. I'll just comment on open source data if yall post any.

And please, I hope yall don't come at me with a "See you can't give me numbers so you're lying" type reply. I've seen all this firsthand for many years.

I'm happy to have this conversation with yall. I just want folks to have a better understanding of what all goes on in asylum. Which can get crazy complicated.

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Most of this time, they do not, especially if they come on foot.

Now some fly here so it's just point A to point B.

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How does that work? Don't we require some type of visa to even hop on an international flight?

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iceman08 said:

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Most of this time, they do not, especially if they come on foot.

Now some fly here so it's just point A to point B.

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How does that work? Don't we require some type of visa to even hop on an international flight?

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Correct, yes. We do require some type of visa, most common I would say is a B-2 tourist visa. But people can aquire those, with the intention to come here and apply for asylum. Some just get the visa, visit and go home. Some get the visa, with the intention of going back home but then something happens in their home country that would put them in harms way so they apply for asylum here because they're already here and they traveled legally.