Are dAtA CeNtErS!!!! the New Climate Change?

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A lot going on in this article but this looks like it might be a Corpus like water issue where the community of Liberty just kept punting and never tried to find a solution. And now they are up against a wall.

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Katie Jo Collier, a spokesperson for the utility, said the transition was rooted in a longtime understanding with Liberty "well before data center load growth was a consideration," calling it "a planned transition for many years, not a reaction to recent developments." NV Energy sold its California electric assets to Liberty in 2009 and agreed to keep supplying power temporarily. That arrangement was extended in 2015, again in 2020, and once more in late 2025, and each time because Liberty had not yet secured an independent supply, a timeline corroborated by regulatory documents reviewed by Fortune.
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pfo said:

On site, Natural gas turbines and Bloom Energy's fuel cells are the future for data centers. They only cost the data center and don't drive up electric rates for everyone else. Smaller, on site nuclear would work too but getting them permitted in many areas will be a problem.

I haven't read any of the thread past the first page...... but the big boys are already doing some version of this (at least the natural gas portion)... and selling back excess to the grid.
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YouBet said:

A lot going on in this article but this looks like it might be a Corpus like water issue where the community of Liberty just kept punting and never tried to find a solution. And now they are up against a wall.

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Katie Jo Collier, a spokesperson for the utility, said the transition was rooted in a longtime understanding with Liberty "well before data center load growth was a consideration," calling it "a planned transition for many years, not a reaction to recent developments." NV Energy sold its California electric assets to Liberty in 2009 and agreed to keep supplying power temporarily. That arrangement was extended in 2015, again in 2020, and once more in late 2025, and each time because Liberty had not yet secured an independent supply, a timeline corroborated by regulatory documents reviewed by Fortune.



And still politicians turn a blind eye when the crap hits the wall.
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HollywoodBQ said:

jja79 said:

There's a gigantic Google facility that's been under construction for 3+ years next to a residential neighborhood in Gilbert, Arizona.

Out of curiosity, I wanted to fact check this just because I've never ever, ever, ever seen a data center right next door to a residential neighborhood.

Obviously anything is possible and anything could happen in the right jurisdiction.

Looks like the new Google Data Center is going in at the north east corner of: Elliot and Sossaman roads in Mesa, AZ.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/bcB9xtjTPjqhJ8tJ8
https://www.datacenters.com/google-mesa-campus

Looks like the closest residential is an apartment complex - 1,100 feet away.
The nearest single family homes are 1/2 mile away.

Between the homes and the Data Center are Sports fields and other industrial businesses. So, pretty much like every other data center out there.

I used to live 1/2 a block away from the Disney Studio in Burbank and about 2 blocks from a hospital.

I got tons of public notices about commercial development happening within 1,000 feet of my home. Just about every time there was an opportunity for the public to comment, the developer or business had to make concessions to the city and the existing residents.

In one case, the city successfully stopped a property re-development from an industrial use to a retail use based on fears presented by the very powerful Burbank Rancho group of horse property owners. Hopefully you appreciate the irony that the business the horse owners stopped was Whole Foods. The fear was that people going to Whole Foods were going to run over their horses.

In the case of Mesa, it looks like they're actively marketing the city to recruit new Data Centers.
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The city has been an unquestioned leader in data center development for several years, and Google's Redhawk campus has been a flagship project.

Not including Phase III of Redhawk, DATABEX shows 19 data center projects in Mesa, all of which are located in the 85212 ZIP code, loosely bounded by Meridian/Ironwood roads in the east, Power/Recker roads in the west, Germann Road in the south and Guadalupe Road in the north.

Of those 19 projects, five have been completed and sevenincluding Redhawk Phase IIare under construction. The total 85212 data center project set has an estimated construction valuation of nearly $9.64B.

https://azbex.com/planning-development/google-planning-next-phase-of-mesa-data-center-facility/


This Google facility is right up to the edge of the neighborhood.

I took this picture this afternoon in the Morrison Ranch neighborhood on the boundary of Gilbert and Mesa, Arizona.
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No Spin Ag said:

Colonel Kurtz said:

Interesting to say the least.



They're not the first and won't be the last.

I'm sure their politicians fought really hard to keep those people from having that happen to them. Real hard.
It's customers on the California side who were getting supplied by Nevada are having to switch suppliers.

Classic California problem.
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jja79 said:

HollywoodBQ said:

jja79 said:

There's a gigantic Google facility that's been under construction for 3+ years next to a residential neighborhood in Gilbert, Arizona.

Out of curiosity, I wanted to fact check this just because I've never ever, ever, ever seen a data center right next door to a residential neighborhood.

Obviously anything is possible and anything could happen in the right jurisdiction.

Looks like the new Google Data Center is going in at the north east corner of: Elliot and Sossaman roads in Mesa, AZ.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/bcB9xtjTPjqhJ8tJ8
https://www.datacenters.com/google-mesa-campus

Looks like the closest residential is an apartment complex - 1,100 feet away.
The nearest single family homes are 1/2 mile away.

Between the homes and the Data Center are Sports fields and other industrial businesses. So, pretty much like every other data center out there.

I used to live 1/2 a block away from the Disney Studio in Burbank and about 2 blocks from a hospital.

I got tons of public notices about commercial development happening within 1,000 feet of my home. Just about every time there was an opportunity for the public to comment, the developer or business had to make concessions to the city and the existing residents.

In one case, the city successfully stopped a property re-development from an industrial use to a retail use based on fears presented by the very powerful Burbank Rancho group of horse property owners. Hopefully you appreciate the irony that the business the horse owners stopped was Whole Foods. The fear was that people going to Whole Foods were going to run over their horses.

In the case of Mesa, it looks like they're actively marketing the city to recruit new Data Centers.
Quote:

The city has been an unquestioned leader in data center development for several years, and Google's Redhawk campus has been a flagship project.

Not including Phase III of Redhawk, DATABEX shows 19 data center projects in Mesa, all of which are located in the 85212 ZIP code, loosely bounded by Meridian/Ironwood roads in the east, Power/Recker roads in the west, Germann Road in the south and Guadalupe Road in the north.

Of those 19 projects, five have been completed and sevenincluding Redhawk Phase IIare under construction. The total 85212 data center project set has an estimated construction valuation of nearly $9.64B.

https://azbex.com/planning-development/google-planning-next-phase-of-mesa-data-center-facility/


This Google facility is right up to the edge of the neighborhood.

I took this picture this afternoon in the Morrison Ranch neighborhood on the boundary of Gilbert and Mesa, Arizona.

That Manitowoc crane is impressive.
 
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