Bad EV's won't cut it you mean.

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Porsche recently adjusted its strategy to keep refreshing its gas and hybrid engines for longer than originally planned, ensuring they meet the demand of luxury buyers who aren't ready to go fully electric

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Like I've always said, hybrids are the way to go.

Never touch a gas station until that once or twice a year road trip. Every other time of the year you never know what a gas station pump looks like.

Good to see Porsche learning from their mistakes and adjusting to what the market is demanding, hybrids, a la

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Yes, hybrid vehicles (including traditional hybrids and plug-in hybrids) are currently outselling full battery electric vehicles (BEVs) in the U.S. and seeing faster growth. Buyers are favoring hybrids due to lower upfront costs, no "range anxiety," and better reliability. Hybrid growth in early 2026 surpassed 30% year-over-year, while EV growth slowed

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KingofHazor said:

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Teslag said:

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Bad EV's won't cut it you mean.

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What are the "good EVs" and what are their most recent YOY sales figures?

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Tesla

The Model Y is one of the best selling vehicles in the world.

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Porsche recently adjusted its strategy to keep refreshing its gas and hybrid engines for longer than originally planned, ensuring they meet the demand of luxury buyers who aren't ready to go fully electric

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Like I've always said, hybrids are the way to go.

Never touch a gas station until that once or twice a year road trip. Every other time of the year you never know what a gas station pump looks like.

Good to see Porsche learning from their mistakes and adjusting to what the market is demanding, hybrids, a la

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Yes, hybrid vehicles (including traditional hybrids and plug-in hybrids) are currently outselling full battery electric vehicles (BEVs) in the U.S. and seeing faster growth. Buyers are favoring hybrids due to lower upfront costs, no "range anxiety," and better reliability. Hybrid growth in early 2026 surpassed 30% year-over-year, while EV growth slowed

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Hybrids are a spork. They don't excel at either. If you are a two vehicle household the sweet spot is one gas vehicle and one Tesla.

Product development by govt bureaucrats has a bad track record...

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The Airbus A380, once hailed as the future of air travel, faced numerous challenges that ultimately led to its commercial failure. Despite its massive capacity and luxurious amenities, the A380 struggled to meet airline demand and economic realities. Key reasons for its failure include:

High manufacturing costs: The A380 required substantial investments in infrastructure, materials, and labor, making it economically unsustainable in the long run.

Operational cost: As a quad-jet, the A380 consumed more fuel than its twin-engine counterparts, which was a critical disadvantage in an industry where even marginal fuel savings translate into substantial financial benefits.

Market dynamics: Airlines shifted to point-to-point connectivity models, bypassing the A380's hub-and-spoke model, which was designed for high-density routes.

Technical challenges: The A380's complex design and maintenance requirements led to a maintenance burden for airlines post-pandemic, with 95 airworthiness directives from EASA since 2020.

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Bad EV's won't cut it you mean.

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This…. Gas engines are pieces of **** by comparison. I hate it every time I get in my Truck or Tahoe now.

That and I actually have to drive. It won't do it for me.

I wasn't planning on buying an X but low inventory makes be thing in going to.

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Porsche recently adjusted its strategy to keep refreshing its gas and hybrid engines for longer than originally planned, ensuring they meet the demand of luxury buyers who aren't ready to go fully electric

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Like I've always said, hybrids are the way to go.

Never touch a gas station until that once or twice a year road trip. Every other time of the year you never know what a gas station pump looks like.

Good to see Porsche learning from their mistakes and adjusting to what the market is demanding, hybrids, a la

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Yes, hybrid vehicles (including traditional hybrids and plug-in hybrids) are currently outselling full battery electric vehicles (BEVs) in the U.S. and seeing faster growth. Buyers are favoring hybrids due to lower upfront costs, no "range anxiety," and better reliability. Hybrid growth in early 2026 surpassed 30% year-over-year, while EV growth slowed

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Hybrids use way more gas than twice a year, but your basic point is correct. They're the way to go.

Or just buy a Tesla.

Yeah, they're bland as **** but his tech is proven.

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Charge stations should be the first thing shut down when power grid is stretched to its limits like extreme weather.

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Gas stations should be the first thing shut down whenever energy prices rise that way people can heat their homes cheaper.

Equally stupid take

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Bunch of Tesla fan boys in here.

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Checking in. I have my card and everything if you want to see it,

They are pretty ****ing awesome.

You driven an X or S. Rockets…

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Bad EV's won't cut it you mean.

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What are the "good EVs" and what are their most recent YOY sales figures?

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Tesla

The Model Y is one of the best selling vehicles in the world.

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Its sales declined 4% worldwide in 2025, with possibly up to a 20% decline in the U.S.

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So it's not one of the best selling vehicles in the world?

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Charge stations should be the first thing shut down when power grid is stretched to its limits like extreme weather.

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Gas stations should be the first thing shut down whenever energy prices rise that way people can heat their homes cheaper.

Equally stupid take

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Well yours certainly is.

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Why do you think you should shut down people's ability to drive because you have a weird thing against an electric engine?

In its entirety EVs take up about 0.5% of the total grid.

Consider that most people charge their vehicles at night at home when grid demand is lowest

That means that charging stations are probably something like 0.001% of grid usage.

That makes your take incredibly ignorant and stupid. Your take is based entirely upon your sensitive feelings rather than reality.

What other people choose to drive should not hurt your feelings so much.

Just as they ask us to adjust our Tstats at home, nonessential things should be postponed. I fill up before I need the fuel, surely E car drivers could use some foresight.

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Bad EV's won't cut it you mean.

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What are the "good EVs" and what are their most recent YOY sales figures?

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Tesla

The Model Y is one of the best selling vehicles in the world.

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Its sales declined 4% worldwide in 2025, with possibly up to a 20% decline in the U.S.

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So it's not one of the best selling vehicles in the world?

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Unless you're the WORST selling car in the world, you're "one of the best selling vehicles in the world".

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Porsche recently adjusted its strategy to keep refreshing its gas and hybrid engines for longer than originally planned, ensuring they meet the demand of luxury buyers who aren't ready to go fully electric

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Like I've always said, hybrids are the way to go.

Never touch a gas station until that once or twice a year road trip. Every other time of the year you never know what a gas station pump looks like.

Good to see Porsche learning from their mistakes and adjusting to what the market is demanding, hybrids, a la

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Yes, hybrid vehicles (including traditional hybrids and plug-in hybrids) are currently outselling full battery electric vehicles (BEVs) in the U.S. and seeing faster growth. Buyers are favoring hybrids due to lower upfront costs, no "range anxiety," and better reliability. Hybrid growth in early 2026 surpassed 30% year-over-year, while EV growth slowed

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Hybrids are a spork. They don't excel at either. If you are a two vehicle household the sweet spot is one gas vehicle and one Tesla.

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Maybe, but, I mean, who doesn't like KFCs spork?

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A Porsche is supposed to be a two-seater, expensive race car that is impractical for everyday driving. That's the whole point.

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Porsche is an SUV company now, not a sport car company. They would have been out of business in the early 2000s if it wasn't for the Cayenne and Macan.

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Porsche recently adjusted its strategy to keep refreshing its gas and hybrid engines for longer than originally planned, ensuring they meet the demand of luxury buyers who aren't ready to go fully electric

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Like I've always said, hybrids are the way to go.

Never touch a gas station until that once or twice a year road trip. Every other time of the year you never know what a gas station pump looks like.

Good to see Porsche learning from their mistakes and adjusting to what the market is demanding, hybrids, a la

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Yes, hybrid vehicles (including traditional hybrids and plug-in hybrids) are currently outselling full battery electric vehicles (BEVs) in the U.S. and seeing faster growth. Buyers are favoring hybrids due to lower upfront costs, no "range anxiety," and better reliability. Hybrid growth in early 2026 surpassed 30% year-over-year, while EV growth slowed

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Hybrids use way more gas than twice a year, but your basic point is correct. They're the way to go.

Or just buy a Tesla.

Yeah, they're bland as **** but his tech is proven.

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Plug in hybrids can be all-electric for short trips such as around town.

I owned a 911 and now own a Macan S. The Macan S/SUV is one bad ass vehicle.

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Porsche recently adjusted its strategy to keep refreshing its gas and hybrid engines for longer than originally planned, ensuring they meet the demand of luxury buyers who aren't ready to go fully electric

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Like I've always said, hybrids are the way to go.

Never touch a gas station until that once or twice a year road trip. Every other time of the year you never know what a gas station pump looks like.

Good to see Porsche learning from their mistakes and adjusting to what the market is demanding, hybrids, a la

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Yes, hybrid vehicles (including traditional hybrids and plug-in hybrids) are currently outselling full battery electric vehicles (BEVs) in the U.S. and seeing faster growth. Buyers are favoring hybrids due to lower upfront costs, no "range anxiety," and better reliability. Hybrid growth in early 2026 surpassed 30% year-over-year, while EV growth slowed

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Hybrids use way more gas than twice a year, but your basic point is correct. They're the way to go.

Or just buy a Tesla.

Yeah, they're bland as **** but his tech is proven.

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I'd rather ride a rusted bike without a seat than drive a Tesla. Now, make it the upcoming X5 EV, and I'm in.

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Bad EV's won't cut it you mean.

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What are the "good EVs" and what are their most recent YOY sales figures?

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Tesla

The Model Y is one of the best selling vehicles in the world.

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Its sales declined 4% worldwide in 2025, with possibly up to a 20% decline in the U.S.

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So it's not one of the best selling vehicles in the world?

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Now you're changing the subject. Your response to the decline in Porsche EV sales was that "bad EVs won't cut it." I'm simply pointing out the even the "good" EVs are suffering right now, making your distinction wrong.

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Porsche recently adjusted its strategy to keep refreshing its gas and hybrid engines for longer than originally planned, ensuring they meet the demand of luxury buyers who aren't ready to go fully electric

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Like I've always said, hybrids are the way to go.

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It depends.

Avoid plug in hybrids like the plague they are. Maintenance costs will get you.

If you're going to be relatively low mileage - the "other" hybrid is a good way to go.

Keep your car longer and or drive more miles -- nothing wrong with pure IC.

Hybrids are of little value if you have a straight shot highway speed commute. The extra weight is actually detrimental to your gas mileage compared to an equivalent IC engine.

I have a long commute, so my EV has been saving me ~$9/day on gas throughout this Iran mess. That's not "retire early" money but it isn't nothing either. Pays for my wife and I to have dinner at a fancy steakhouse after 5-6 weeks.

Isn't this probably more closely tied to the Trump admin canning away from the rigorous CAFE standards?

The manufacturers no longer need EVs that didn't sell to boost that stupid unicorn number.

Yes... Tesla has the market. Because their offerings were new, clean sheet designs. By and large every major manufacturer that introduced an EV took a production gasoline vehicle and said let's just take the engine out and stuff in a battery pack somewhere with electric motors. The buyers that are drawn to an EV don't want the little brother equivalent of the lines gasoline model. They're paying for something new and different.

If I want a performance Italian roadster... I don't think I'm thinking EV.

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Bad EV's won't cut it you mean.

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What are the "good EVs" and what are their most recent YOY sales figures?

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Tesla

The Model Y is one of the best selling vehicles in the world.

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Its sales declined 4% worldwide in 2025, with possibly up to a 20% decline in the U.S.

[edited to add U.S. numbers.]

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So it's not one of the best selling vehicles in the world?

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Now you're changing the subject. Your response to the decline in Porsche EV sales was that "bad EVs won't cut it." I'm simply pointing out the even the "good" EVs are suffering right now, making your distinction wrong.

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Tesla isn't "suffering".

Their market share is rising and they just reported a 60% year over year profit.

Oh and even truck sales are down. Lower vehicle sales isn't just EV's.

So much for that "suffering"

https://finance.yahoo.com/sectors/technology/articles/tesla-sales-rise-national-average-010000957.html

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Tesla deliveries mark weakest quarter in a year, inventory swells

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Anecdotally, I regularly drive past the Tesla lot on I-45 in League City.
They've got loads of inventory.

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The figures also pointed to a growing imbalance between output and demand. Tesla produced 50,363 more vehicles than it delivered during the quarter, the widest gap in at least four years, signaling a build-up in unsold inventory.

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https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/teslas-first-quarter-deliveries-miss-estimates-tax-credit-expiry-weighs-2026-04-02/