Ironically, Tolkien's books, especially The Lord of the Rings, were strongly associated with 1960s 1970s counterculture, including elements of the hippie movement and the New Left. Now it's far right extremists?

No Ayn Rand.

Flavius Agximus said:

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Ironically, Tolkien's books, especially The Lord of the Rings, were strongly associated with 1960s1970s counterculture, including elements of the hippie movement and the New Left. Now it's far right extremists?

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Just shows how far to the left they've gone. Bill Clinton would be hated by the Left today (just for his policies)

Nowadays anyone to the right of Mao is a "fascist" to them

Glad I got to see a bit of the UK in years past but not going back unless I have to pass thru LHR. F them. Enjoy the caliphate.

What... no Jonathan Swift's Gulliver's Travels?

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CS Lewis, Tolkien, Orwell among works tagged as triggers for 'far-right' extremism by anti-terrorism group Published March 28, 2023 2:00am EDT

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Old news. Still relevant today.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/cs-lewis-tolkien-orwell-among-works-tagged-triggers-far-right-extremism-anti-terrorism-group

We don't live there. We don't hear all of their authoritarian moves.

They're trying to destroy western culture.

Flavius Agximus said:

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Ironically, Tolkien's books, especially The Lord of the Rings, were strongly associated with 1960s 1970s counterculture, including elements of the hippie movement and the New Left. Now it's far right extremists?

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Just an added note and not a pro/con reply to what you wrote:

Most of Tolkien's works were developed from his experiences during WW1 and how that war shaped his view of the world. The Hobbit was written around 1930 and the Lord of the Rings trilogy was written in the 1950s or before the anti-Vietnam protest movements. The phrase "Frodo Lives" was adopted (more like co-opted) by the hippie/counter-culture mostly due to this WW1 influence and Tolkien's disdain for war.

Tolkien was an officer in the British military during WW1 and faught in at the Battle of the Somme in 1916.

Milton's Paradise Lost is one of the best works of literature in the history of literature.

And I'm someone that despises liberal arts.

The UK has already slit their wrists.

Now they are just bleeding out.

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Milton's Paradise Lost is one of the best works of literature in the history of literature.

And I'm someone that despises liberal arts.

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Between HS and a couple of semesters of lit in college, I was assigned to read nearly all of them. Required reading.

Flavius Agximus said:

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Ironically, Tolkien's books, especially The Lord of the Rings, were strongly associated with 1960s 1970s counterculture, including elements of the hippie movement and the New Left. Now it's far right extremists?

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The books never lent themselves to that garbage. It just happened to be fantasy and people who live lives detached from reality tend to be the most frequent/vocal/visible proponents of fantasy stuff unfortunately. It's why nowadays all of the LOTR/Harry Potter/Warhammer/Pokemon/etc stuff is crawling with alphabet folks.

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No Ayn Rand.

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Beat me to it.

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Flavius Agximus said:

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Ironically, Tolkien's books, especially The Lord of the Rings, were strongly associated with 1960s 1970s counterculture, including elements of the hippie movement and the New Left. Now it's far right extremists?

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The books never lent themselves to that garbage. It just happened to be fantasy and people who live lives detached from reality tend to be the most frequent/vocal/visible proponents of fantasy stuff unfortunately. It's why nowadays all of the LOTR/Harry Potter/Warhammer/Pokemon/etc stuff is crawling with alphabet folks.

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They are a very oppressive vocal minority that has taken over nerd culture like the cancer they are.

90% of the fan bases of all of the above (plus star trek and dnd etc) hate, and I mean hate, woke garbage rewriting their favorite IPs. And these people aren't a bunch of Hitler youth, they are a generally tolerant crowd.

Its insane how a small minority has so much undu influence on culture.

Beowulf? How do you make that political. Toxic masculinity?

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Beowulf? How do you make that political. Toxic masculinity?

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Sir Gawain and the Green Knight should fall in that category.

Amazing how much literature I remember from just one reading 45-50 years ago!

Who are the Book Burners again?

In time we will have to liberate our true cousins from their muslim overlords.

In time, we will have to liberate ourselves from them.

Happened in 2023. Not that it makes it any better...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11764775/Yes-Minister-flagged-beleaguered-counter-terror-Prevent-scheme.html

Fine, I will take ALL the first edition copies from the Royal Collection. I'll even pay shipping.

The hatred for Tolkien is that his myth is traditional European/British coded. The hero characters are white, male and virtuous of character. There is no "representation" girl bossing or forced diversity. It is in many ways another stark warning about complacency and letting evil and the barbarians creep back into the world until they are not in some distant land but at your door step.

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Where are the horse and the rider?

Where is the horn that was blowing?

Where is the harp on the harp string and the red fire glowing?

Where is the Spring and the harvest and the tall corn growing?

They have passed like rain on the mountain. Like a wind in the meadow.

The Days have gone down in the West behind the hills and into shadow.

How did it come to this?

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Need anymore evidence the UK is run by ****ing Communists who need a helicopter ride?

Europe, Canada, and Australia are crash test dummies for the toxic woke mind virus.

To them "far right" is wanting borders, preserving British culture, law and order, no illegal immigrants, and speaking the English language. Common sense stuff.

But too many of them are afraid to be called any type of "…ist" to do anything about the absolutely degradation and decimation of their state and culture that is increasing at a rapid pace, facilitated by a treasonous government that are traitors to the British people.

This thread reminded me of this article from 2024.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/paintings-british-countryside-evoke-dark-140508085.html

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The Fitzwilliam Museum has suggested that paintings of the British countryside evoke dark "nationalist feelings". The museum, owned by the University of Cambridge, has undertaken an overhaul of its displays, in a move that its director insisted was not "woke".

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The new signage states that pictures of "rolling English hills" can stir feelings of "pride towards a homeland". However, in a gallery displaying a bucolic work by Constable, visitors are informed that "there is a darker side" to the "nationalist feeling" evoked by images of the British countryside.

It states that this national sentiment comes with "the implication that only those with a historical tie to the land have a right to belong".

Paintings at the Fitzwilliam have been reordered into themed categories, in a shake-up the museum's director hopes will make the gallery's displays "inclusive and representative".

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The claims about the depiction of landscapes comes after the charity umbrella group Wildlife and Countryside Link submitted a report to MPs which claimed that the British countryside was seen as a "racist colonial" white space.

However, Mr Syson has insisted the shake-up of the museum is not "woke" or "radical chic", saying: "Being inclusive and representative shouldn't be controversial; it should be enriching."

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The article only gets worse.

It just means less read people are easier to manipulate

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I read this and thought it had to be fake but it isn't. The irony of 1984 being on the list along with Shakespeare is just mind numbing.

The UK government flagged these books (among others) as potential signs of far-right extremism.

List includes Tolkien's Lord of the Rings, Hobbes' Leviathan, Milton's Paradise Lost. You may be an extremist if you've read these.

What else would you add to the list? pic.twitter.com/H7V0DwQ5FQ

— The Culturist (@the_culturist_) March 4, 2026

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John Locke!?! That would be like us flagging Alexander Hamilton or Thomas Jefferson.

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What... no Jonathan Swift's Gulliver's Travels?

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The illustration portrays BDSM, so that's good enough for the far left.

Europe fell long ago

So basically, if you read books, you are a threat to the government. Sounds about right.

Fahrenheit 451

No kidding. It's literally a work of satire on British politics and government.

I'm surprised Animal Farm didn't make the list.