Political fallout and arguments regarding the US-Israeli action against Iran 022824

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Death toll of the Iran War updated by the Pentagon is 21
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Saudi Arabia has responded to Ansar Allah's (Houthis) strike on the King Khalid Airport yesterday by bombing the Sanaa International Airport.

It is worth noting that this phase of the Saudi/Yemen War STARTED because Saudi bombed the Sanaa Airport to begin with, as well as completely destroying it several years ago.

Ansar Allah will not take kindly to this strike, and will immediately respond with further strikes on the King Khalid Airport, as well as certainly further targeting of airports in Jeddah, Dammam, and Abha, as well as Saudi energy infrastructure.

If you are located near a Saudi airport or energy infrastructure: LEAVE IMMEDIATELY!!!



Prediction: This is going to escalate until Trump has to make the decision to send US troops to save the House of Saud from collapse. A mercenary army consisting of Paki and French troops isn't going to cut it an anymore.


On a side note, Israel is loving this (and most likely doing things in the background to fan the flames). Holy Civil War amongst the Muslim countries is only good for them.
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I don't think you're allowed to notice or say this.
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AGHouston11 said:

FWTXAg said:

Queso1 said:

No one in the uniparty is opposed to it, which means no funding for protests. Many citizens are against it.


Big Cheese on the mark again.

The only people against this war and any others are average American citizens. The uniparty and their owners (Corporations, foreign and domestic) all want the same thing. Keep the money flowing and the American citizens arguing with each other rather than pointing their fingers at the masters. They couldn't give a rip about which "party" is pretending to be in power at any given time.


Many people who are or were Trump supporters don't want to see a Democrat House and Senate where they are back in leadership positions. Nobody wants to see the clown circus they can create.

But if that happens many average citizens who were Trump supporters are not going to be Happy that Trump started this war with Epic Fury when he claimed all was taken care of with the just prior Midnight Hammer. When the results of this war, he started, to support Israel/BiBi led to midterm losses!

It's not going to be worth it to many. And to many the results already they are unhappy about!



I'm not sure if you're paying close attention, but there are very, very few actual "Trump supporters" left.

Trump this second term cured millions and millions of people from beleiving in the Vote Blue or Vote Red circus act, we will always be able to thank him for that.
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You mean blaming Israel for Muhammad v Muhammad? It's just par for the course with you guys.
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Spidey sense was tingling?
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Always the Jews. Lame.
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bobbranco said:

Always the Jews. Lame.

The only reason the Sunnis and the Shias have hated one another for a couple thousand years is because the Jews. It's in the Bible or something.
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lol, no spidey sense needed to state the obvious
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bobbranco said:

Always the Jews. Lame.

And the CIA, MI6, KGB, the Chinese, Iranians, Space Moon Nazis, etc.

Of course Mossad is in there along with everyone else.

This desert fight is for control of oil and global markets for the next 50-100 years......
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Good piece from Conrad Black.
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It is not necessary to be a reactionary to dissent from the conventional wisdom that a Democratic wave will sweep the midterms. In the fury and venom of Trump-hate, which has been, along with truly absurd Islamo-Marxist nostrums, the only discernible offering of the Democratic Party for the last two years, strategists may imagine that descent into political total war is an attractive option to the American electorate. It isn't.

Polling is unreliable and left-leaning; Trump's low approval rating is likely underestimated and remains ~15 points above the approval rating of the Congressional Democrats. Republicans have a large financial advantage which will presumably be applied as the election proceeds, to tout the remarkable record of achievement of the Trump administration. Trump accounts, lower crime, massive reductions in illegal immigration and deportations, lower prescription prices, high economic growth, deregulation, escape from the climate-change obsession, and the assault on wokeness, DEI, and the intellectual corruption of universities and unionized schools, which more accurately resemble daycare centers where young people are taught to hate America.

The more the country sees the field of Islamo-Marxist lunatics candidates who have been herded in from the fringe and now comprise the back-bone of the Democratic mainstream, the more appealing Trump becomes. After ten years the country is somewhat tiring of Trump, but he does pierce the pomposity of the political class.

The question Americans will have to ask is whether temporarily elevated gasoline prices are an acceptable cost to keep nuclear weapons out of the hands of the Iranian terrorist theocracy. While Democrats continue to attempt to paint Iran as another Vietnam, Trump has rendered the Iranian currency worthless, driven inflation sky-high, forced gasoline rationing, and pushed the regime near bankruptcy. This is the most one-sided war in history between serious combatantstotal U.S. combat-related deaths through this entire conflict have been no more than a bad weekend in Chicago.

Trump's record of achievement is eminently defensible and should weigh more heavily than the vagaries of his personality.


TLDR: DSA Democrats are delusional. Sun is coming up in the east in a couple hours.
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Dungeon Crawler Carl said:



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Saudi Arabia has responded to Ansar Allah's (Houthis) strike on the King Khalid Airport yesterday by bombing the Sanaa International Airport.

It is worth noting that this phase of the Saudi/Yemen War STARTED because Saudi bombed the Sanaa Airport to begin with, as well as completely destroying it several years ago.

Ansar Allah will not take kindly to this strike, and will immediately respond with further strikes on the King Khalid Airport, as well as certainly further targeting of airports in Jeddah, Dammam, and Abha, as well as Saudi energy infrastructure.

If you are located near a Saudi airport or energy infrastructure: LEAVE IMMEDIATELY!!!



Prediction: This is going to escalate until Trump has to make the decision to send US troops to save the House of Saud from collapse. A mercenary army consisting of Paki and French troops isn't going to cut it an anymore.


On a side note, Israel is loving this (and most likely doing things in the background to fan the flames). Holy Civil War amongst the Muslim countries is only good for them.


Now just step back and pretend Trump is not in office. He would insult non stop that a lead negotiator in this war started by the president is the presidents son in law.

Not just his son in law but is family friends of BiBi prime minister of the country we went to war for (according to Rubio).

But also the son in law that recently started a private equity firm for investments in the Middle East with a primary investor the Saudi Prince!

Yet for Trump now it's just normal operations with his son in law.
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Now just step back and pretend Trump is not in office.

None of that matters.

He is in office and has made an absolute mess of things in the world.

We are paying a small price now with inflated prices.

If the Petro Dollar gets overthrown in Saudi, we are ALL going to pay a HUGE price.


If he wants to save the dollar, he should be sending every A-10 available and millions of rounds of 20mm TODAY to take care of the Fremen problem for MBS. AFTER ALL THAT IS THE AGREEMENT THAT KISSINGER SET UP 50 YEARS AGO.

He won't because he knows how bad of a look it will be two weeks before the election if he sends US troops to fight in a holy civil war and to defend Mecca.


btw - its not going to be the Fremen running through the streets of Riyadh that gets MBS smoked, it will be one of those Princes he locked up and tortured a few years ago. We got some Desert Game of Thrones IRL going on.......

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Looks like you missed this thread.

https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3630171

here's the main point....


Let me sum it up for you. People aren't voting for socialism or communism, they aren't going to vote to give him a giant middle finger and stay home because he betrayed their trust. That and they can't afford to drive to the polls.

He's not up for re-election so the Republicans are going to pay the price.
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People aren't voting for socialism or communism

This statement defies reality. Democrats literally want this.
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YouBet said:

bobbranco said:

Always the Jews. Lame.

The only reason the Sunnis and the Shias have hated one another for a couple thousand years is because the Jews. It's in the Bible or something.

No, it's not, the Holy Bible including the gospel was written many centuries before Muhammed showed up.

The Sunnis and Shias different in their interruption of the Quran but they both hate the Hebrews.


Not all Israelites (Hebrews) are Jews. Jews are from 2 of the 12 tribes of Judah and Benjamin. Ten others are called the lost tribes of Israel, but they are not lost, they were scattered after being defeated and hauled off by the Assyrians but now they are returning back home preparing for the final battle.





The twelve sons of Jacob (Israel) are Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Judah, Dan, Naphtali, Gad, Asher, Issachar, Zebulun, Joseph, and Benjamin.
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I think you may have missed a little sarcasm.
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Phatbob said:

I think you may have missed a little sarcasm.

Story of my life, have not been invited to a party since 2003.
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5Amp said:

YouBet said:

bobbranco said:

Always the Jews. Lame.

The only reason the Sunnis and the Shias have hated one another for a couple thousand years is because the Jews. It's in the Bible or something.

No, it's not, the Holy Bible including the gospel was written many centuries before Muhammed showed up.

The Sunnis and Shias different in their interruption of the Quran but they both hate the Hebrews.


Not all Israelites (Hebrews) are Jews. Jews are from 2 of the 12 tribes of Judah and Benjamin. Ten others are called the lost tribes of Israel, but they are not lost, they were scattered after being defeated and hauled off by the Assyrians but now they are returning back home preparing for the final battle.





The twelve sons of Jacob (Israel) are Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Judah, Dan, Naphtali, Gad, Asher, Issachar, Zebulun, Joseph, and Benjamin.


I think you missed his sarcasm...
You can turn off signatures, btw
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YouBet said:

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People aren't voting for socialism or communism

This statement defies reality. Democrats literally want this.



How would you describe this?

Socialism, communism, a bribe, a nightmare, or good old American free markets?

Staph - I didn't know where to put the response, I guess this thread is as good as any.....


BTW this looks like it's real, posted on White House Twitter......
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Dungeon Crawler Carl said:

YouBet said:

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People aren't voting for socialism or communism

This statement defies reality. Democrats literally want this.



How would you describe this?

Socialism, communism, a bribe, a nightmare, or good old American free markets?

Staph - I didn't know where to put the response, I guess this thread is as good as any.....


BTW this looks like it's real, posted on White House Twitter......

I would describe it as the same policy that Democrats have done in the past. I'm not claiming Trump is some kind of hard-core conservative; he's not remotely that despite all the Democrats lies about him. He's the most left leaning Republican POTUS we've probably ever had.

I was simply disputing your comment above which I admittedly may have misconstrued from original post. All I know is that people are literally voting for socialism and communism on the Democrat side of the aisle. That's what they want now.

Republicans now vote for it in varying degrees because the entire country has moved left along the spectrum.

Also, Michael Dell's wife looks like a freak.
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https://oilprice.com/Geopolitics/Middle-East/Inside-The-Secret-Russian-Iranian-Military-Energy-Pipeline-Laundering-Machine.html

imagine that, iran still managing to sell crude (at a discount) to russia in exchange for support.

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In terms of Russian crude oil exports continuing to be transported specifically via pipeline to Europe -- which the EU has committed to completely phase out by 31 December 2027 -- the Caspian Pipeline Consortium (CPC) is the primary, active corridor through which the EU effectively evades its own sanctions framework, and that of the U.S., as managed by the Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC). While the EU has officially banned seaborne imports of Russian crude, the 'CPC Blend' crude oil stream -- which terminates at and ships from the Russian port of Novorossiysk -- was granted a specific legal exemption by Brussels on 3 June 2022. This carve-out was justified on the grounds that the underlying volumes originate in Kazakhstan. Since that date, annual throughput of this supposedly Kazakh-only crude oil has surged from 52 million metric tonnes -- around 1.04 million barrels per day (bpd) -- to a record-breaking 72 million metric tonnes: a massive 38.5% increase. However, over that period, Kazakhstan's actual domestic oil production has grown less than 2%, with its true crude oil output this year having fallen significantly due to operational disruptions and strict OPEC+ quota limits. According to a very senior EU source in its energy security complex exclusively spoken to by OilPrice.com last week, the huge discrepancy between the crude oil volume rise in the CPC over the period and Kazakhstan's own oil output volume over the period represents the active 'ghost volume' where a heavily discounted cocktail of Russian crude -- mixed with Iranian oil -- is being quietly blended and laundered straight to European destinations completely outside the G7-monitored Russian shadow fleet.

not only did the EU specifically loophole this, russia and iran are taking full advantage of it. and you wonder why this war can keep dragging on and on, you whack one mole and three more pop up.
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Yes, the energy, and money laundering machines alike are what keep this whole thing going.

Iran isn't really capable of exporting anything notable to Russia however. Ships on the caspian sea aren't anything approaching VLCC class vessels. Russian plans to 'pivot' to some blend using Iranian crude in 2028 sort of defy reality imho. And frankly, I am very skeptical the IRGC can hold out thru December of this year, let alone next.
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lot of chatter about this one sinking

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So are we going to get less than $3 gas before the midterms?
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Best to ask in the Russia/Ukraine thread
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It's more to do with the political fallout of Trump's Iran war rather than the other war he said a million times he would end his first day in office.
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Some people are wondering why gas prices are even higher now.

Well it's because nobody is listening to Trump's demands.
Not the gas stations
Not the suppliers
Not Putin
Not Iran
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his own super loyalists claim that most of what comes out of his mouth or keyboard is nonsense anyway intended to ruffle feathers. so, you do that enough then eventually nobody takes you seriously anymore.
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Obama for some reason went to belfast Ireland to blather about Israel etc, beclowning himself nearly 10 years since he left office.

Almost not worth sharing, but I laughed. He's so irrelevant and such a failure. His only influence now is with his buddy directing Carney's downfall of Canada imho.
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Trump now telling Ukraine they can't attack Russian refineries. Compare that to Trump in the past before this term ripping Europe for what? Relying on Russian oil and in the end funding them.
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Quite a winning message for the mid-terms.

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Correction said:

Quite a winning message for the mid-terms.




It's that and the other party sucks worse than us.
Trump was the only person that could beat Trump and he's done a fairly good job of it!
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