AxelFoley85 said:

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I rode in one of the Chinese BYD SUVs, Musk had every reason to be scared of them. It's an impressive ride.

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one safe place said:

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EVs are for soccer moms

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Nah that's tahoes and expeditions that never leave the pavement

AxelFoley85 said:

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I rode in one of the Chinese BYD SUVs, Musk had every reason to be scared of them. It's an impressive ride.

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Are they good looking and comfortable, which Teslas are not?

I'm holding out for hydrogen power.

Teslag said:

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one safe place said:

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EVs are for soccer moms

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Nah that's tahoes and expeditions that never leave the pavement

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You forgot Wagoneers, QX80s, Defender/Discovery, and G63 for the trophy wife soccer moms.

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aggiehawg said:

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Seems to me a few posters have predicted this result for years and years. Certainly has never been an unintended consequence as it was patently predictable.

Just an all around dumbass move on the part of the automakers.

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It's amazing how once Biden and the Democrats were out of the way, the market spoke and the automakers abandoned ship asap.

The federal government is a terrible substitute for the free market.

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Another market that tanked (at least from my perspective) was RNG (regenerative natural gas) facilities. Companies were investing large dollar figures into RNG to offset greenhouse gas emissions. Once Trump came along, this all vanished.

I can't tell you how much overtime, hotel stays, dinners, and training I had in this area. That doesn't even go into the real estate, labor, and invented monies of private companies that were also involved. At least for the utility company that I work for, since Trump came along, this work all but disappeared.

This all was fine by me because I thought most of the projects were a hoax anyways. It would've taken a few decades to pay off the investment... unless it was subsidized by the government.

First new vehicle was a 1999 Toyota Tacoma Prerunner.

Had to sell it so I could live alone and afford rent. The last 23 years driven Honda. I wont touch a Toyota SUV b/c theyre all turbo 4s. I want at a min NA V6.

I do want to look at the Grand Highlander but I also things that's a turbo 5. Highlander has really bad driver entry/exit. The A pillar is too far forward and at 6'3" I'll stick with a Pilot.

G Wagons for the OF soccer moms.

They're not doing that with the grand highlander which has functionally supplanted sales of the regular/hybrid one though:

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When the Grand Highlander entered our market in 2023, sales of the smaller Highlander showcased a steep decline. Toyota sold 222,000 units of the Highlander in 2022, which wasn't even a record year. But that figure dropped to just 56,000 by 2025, as the annual volume of the Grand Highlander spun up to 136,000.

Toyota obviously needed to reinvent the Highlander to help it make better sense in the lineup. But it's not clear that the resulting updates are going to accomplish this. Electric vehicles haven't been seeing the kind of appreciation manufacturers had hoped for, especially not in North America.

Expect to the 2027 Toyota Highlander to arrive late in 2026.

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I dunno what the heck Toyota management is thinking, as they are betting on Canadian manufacturing for the RAV4, and doubling down on EV's while the latter are off around 20-30 percent year over year here. Maybe some of those folks at Toyota HQ down the street from me in Plano need to have their heads examined. At one point not too far back Highlanders were an absolute dominant product.

How is Tesla so successful? Most of the EV's suck and people don't want to drive them. Folks still love the Tesla though.

TSLA's cost advantage and vertical integration are very unique, plus they aren't distracted by legacy unions/'how it's done here' stuff. It's also just not really a car company.

Stellantis, Ford, GM and others just took huge baths on their EV efforts, which all involved partnerships with Japanese/Korean/Chinese battery makers, which did not afford cost-competitiveness with the likes of TSLA.

🦔 Stellantis announced a $26.2 billion write-down as it "resets" its EV strategy. The company is canceling electric vehicles, resizing its battery supply chain, and pivoting back to trucks and SUVs with V8 engines.

Stellantis follows Ford's $19.5 billion write-down in December… pic.twitter.com/qOjmepCCGI

— Hedgie (@HedgieMarkets) February 7, 2026

Meanwhile, in the world of politics Governor Carney is doubling down just as with Toyota.

Either PM Carney is wrong or the world's largest automotive makers are wrong on EVs/

EVs and MASSIVE MONEY LOSSES

Ford: $19.5B write down/loss
Stellantis: $26.5 write down
GM: $6 billion write down
Volkswagen/Porsche: ~$6 billion write down

All told - about 58… pic.twitter.com/uUPMJbFC8X

— Tom Quiggin (@TomTSEC) February 6, 2026

Yes, they look and feel like an actual luxury SUV, A+ build. Tesla's feel cheap.

Psycho Bunny said:

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G Wagons for the OF soccer moms.

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Truer words were never spoken.

Rossticus said:

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Teslag said:

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one safe place said:

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EVs are for soccer moms

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Nah that's tahoes and expeditions that never leave the pavement

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You forgot Wagoneers, QX80s, Defender/Discovery, and G63 for the trophy wife soccer moms.

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For a single kid….

We had two kids and I still had to pry my wife's fingers off of her Prius. My knees were in the dash with the car seats. We chuckle at people who go out and buy a big SUV when they find out they are pregnant for the first time.

Fightin_Aggie said:

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CDUB98 said:

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You will have a significant problem if your car is un-aspirated.

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AI suggests it is a syno

An unaspirated engine, commonly known as a naturally aspirated (NA) engine, is an internal combustion engine that relies solely on atmospheric pressure to draw in air for combustion, without the use of a turbocharger or supercharger. These engines offer smooth, linear power delivery, high reliability, and lower maintenance costs due to fewer components.

I hadn't heard of engines being referred to as unaspirated but potato potato

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I know exactly what he meant. I was joking with him.

Calibrate your sarcasm meter.

Rossticus said:

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I'm holding out for hydrogen power.

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Roasticus after a fender bender:

aTm2004 said:

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Meanwhile, at Toyota…Leeeeeroooooooyyyyyy Jenkinnnnnsnssssssss!

The 2027 Toyota Highlander ditches its gas and hybrid powertrains and goes fully electric. The new three-row Highlander EV can travel up to 320 miles on a charge, and all-wheel-drive models produce 338 horsepower. Sales are set to begin at the end of this year, and we expect the… pic.twitter.com/7Occ2c3iQH

— Car and Driver (@CARandDRIVER) February 11, 2026

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So they are dropping completely a gas option of their Highlander?

Are they insane? They already killed their Sequioa with the terrible hybrid battery taking up half their cargo space.

aggiehawg said:

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Seems to me a few posters have predicted this result for years and years. Certainly has never been an unintended consequence as it was patently predictable.

Just an all around dumbass move on the part of the automakers.

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it's almost like they got so caught up in politics, they forgot how to be business men. stockholders should be calling for heads to roll.

aggiehawg said:

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Seems to me a few posters have predicted this result for years and years. Certainly has never been an unintended consequence as it was patently predictable.

Just an all around dumbass move on the part of the automakers.

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Reminds me of the currently active reserve currency thread on this forum. What is going to happen is patently predictable. Timing is unknown. But, when it inevitably happens…..vast majority will be saying "no surprise" while not really acting today to prepare for it.

When the government promises you taxpayer subsidies you let the government tell you what to do. Now that they realize the same taxpayers don't want to waste their additional money to buy your crap product, they are realizing that the subsidies are meaningless.

The free market always has the loudest voice in the end.

CDUB98 said:

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You will have a significant problem if your car is un-aspirated.

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Glad I wasn't the only one who noticed that.

fightingfarmer09 said:

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aTm2004 said:

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Meanwhile, at Toyota…Leeeeeroooooooyyyyyy Jenkinnnnnsnssssssss!

The 2027 Toyota Highlander ditches its gas and hybrid powertrains and goes fully electric. The new three-row Highlander EV can travel up to 320 miles on a charge, and all-wheel-drive models produce 338 horsepower. Sales are set to begin at the end of this year, and we expect the… pic.twitter.com/7Occ2c3iQH

— Car and Driver (@CARandDRIVER) February 11, 2026

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So they are dropping completely a gas option of their Highlander?

Are they insane? They already killed their Sequioa with the terrible hybrid battery taking up half their cargo space.

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Even worse, they had one of the world's best and most reliable unaspirated V8 engines for the Sequoia and the Tundra and they simply killed it.

Rocky Rider said:

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aTm2004 said:

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Meanwhile, at Toyota…Leeeeeroooooooyyyyyy Jenkinnnnnsnssssssss!

The 2027 Toyota Highlander ditches its gas and hybrid powertrains and goes fully electric. The new three-row Highlander EV can travel up to 320 miles on a charge, and all-wheel-drive models produce 338 horsepower. Sales are set to begin at the end of this year, and we expect the… pic.twitter.com/7Occ2c3iQH

— Car and Driver (@CARandDRIVER) February 11, 2026

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320 miles on a single charge. Woo-hoo. That's horrible! And 320 is likely optimal conditions; speed, temperature, terrain, passenger and cargo load, not towing, etc

Hybrid is an excellent design. The best of both worlds.

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Just curious, how much to replace the battery and typically how long do they last? TIA

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Thunderstruck xx said:

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Hybrid is the best if you want that, but I still would never buy one due to the expensive battery replacement after X years. I drive my vehicles until they get 150k+ miles. I'm not paying $20k every X miles because the battery craps out.

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I used to think that too. Toyota, for example, has a 10 year/150k mile warranty on their battery/ hybrid systems. While your idea about hybrids was probably pretty legitimate 10-15 years ago, the replacement cost you quoted really hasn't been like that for a good number of years.

They're not for everyone for sure, and the number of miles you have to drive to recover the additional cost of buying a hybrid in the first place will take 5-10 years of ownership to achieve.

I'm also the kind to drive a vehicle into the ground. Believe it or not, sir if those Toyota hybrids are some of the better ones on the road for making it to 150k miles these days.

Where we agree is that I also move on to another vehicle after 10 years and 150k miles as a at that point, what you days suddenly becomes a very legitimate concern.

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Thanks for the information.

Rossticus said:

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I'm holding out for hydrogen power.

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Fuel cells.

Could a side benefit is the price of Lithium ion batteries drops significantly so replacing these in electronics goes down significantly?

techno-ag said:

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fightingfarmer09 said:

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aTm2004 said:

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Meanwhile, at Toyota…Leeeeeroooooooyyyyyy Jenkinnnnnsnssssssss!

The 2027 Toyota Highlander ditches its gas and hybrid powertrains and goes fully electric. The new three-row Highlander EV can travel up to 320 miles on a charge, and all-wheel-drive models produce 338 horsepower. Sales are set to begin at the end of this year, and we expect the… pic.twitter.com/7Occ2c3iQH

— Car and Driver (@CARandDRIVER) February 11, 2026

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So they are dropping completely a gas option of their Highlander?

Are they insane? They already killed their Sequioa with the terrible hybrid battery taking up half their cargo space.

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Even worse, they had one of the world's best and most reliable unaspirated V8 engines for the Sequoia and the Tundra and they simply killed it.

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Looking at a new Tundra about a year ago, and at that time the Toyota dealers wouldn't even take the new Tundra's in trade at their Toyota dealerships because of the problems with the engine.

And look what they did to the Tacoma and its reliable V6. Lots of folks have heard the news about the new turbo 4 cylinder in the Tacoma and have purchased the reliable V6, non-turbo Nissan Frontier. Tons of Frontiers appearing on the roads now.

Jaguar, one of the most iconic cars in history, will be EV in 2025.

The car will be not produced for two model years due to the conversion.

Idiots.

HarleySpoon said:

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techno-ag said:

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fightingfarmer09 said:

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aTm2004 said:

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Meanwhile, at Toyota…Leeeeeroooooooyyyyyy Jenkinnnnnsnssssssss!

The 2027 Toyota Highlander ditches its gas and hybrid powertrains and goes fully electric. The new three-row Highlander EV can travel up to 320 miles on a charge, and all-wheel-drive models produce 338 horsepower. Sales are set to begin at the end of this year, and we expect the… pic.twitter.com/7Occ2c3iQH

— Car and Driver (@CARandDRIVER) February 11, 2026

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So they are dropping completely a gas option of their Highlander?

Are they insane? They already killed their Sequioa with the terrible hybrid battery taking up half their cargo space.

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Even worse, they had one of the world's best and most reliable unaspirated V8 engines for the Sequoia and the Tundra and they simply killed it.

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Looking at a new Tundra about a year ago, and at that time the Toyota dealers wouldn't even take the new Tundra's in trade at their Toyota dealerships because of the problems with the engine.

And look what they did to the Tacoma and its reliable V6. Lots of folks have heard the news about the new turbo 4 cylinder in the Tacoma and have purchased the reliable V6, non-turbo Nissan Frontier. Tons of Frontiers appearing on the roads now.

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Agreed. I would buy the Frontier over the Tacoma at this point.

150k?

Really?

The market should play out here.

I have a Tacoma that just rolled up 90k this week. 6cyl, naturally aspirated. I expect to get well into the 200k range, if not more, as it's only 5.5 years old.

Why should I have to pay 25-30% more for a F-ing hybrid if I DONT WANT IT? My truck costs considerably less and will last longer, retain better resale at 150k.

It's a sham.

I hope Toyota looses their pants because of what they've done. Horribly damaging financially. Get some brains and BALLS and offer naturally aspirated motors in their trucks and SUVs again. Likely would be well over 70% of truck and SUV models sold. Give us what we want, jackasses.

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150k?

Really?

The market should play out here.

I have a Tacoma that just rolled up 90k this week. 6cyl, naturally aspirated. I expect to get well into the 200k range, if not more, as it's only 5.5 years old.

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I was going to buy a new Tacoma, but now only available in 4cyl turbo. I opted for the 6cyl naturally aspirated Nissan Frontier and expect to get to 300K in the next eight years,

I love strip mining for new batteries!

The extraction of key minerals like lithium, cobalt, and nickel are great for everyone!

HarleySpoon said:

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Old Sarge said:

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150k?

Really?

The market should play out here.

I have a Tacoma that just rolled up 90k this week. 6cyl, naturally aspirated. I expect to get well into the 200k range, if not more, as it's only 5.5 years old.

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I was going to buy a new Tacoma, but now only available in 4cyl turbo. I opted for the 6cyl naturally aspirated Nissan Frontier and expect to get to 300K in the next eight years,

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Honda has a aspirated 3.5L V6 for the Ridgeline, Pilot, and Odyssey. A 4cyl turbo is asking for long-term problems

I'm imagining all the folks that said the same thing about horses when cars first came out. Way too expensive, breaks down, impractical. Will never catch on, just a fad,etc.

Electric cars will eventually win out because they will be much simpler and cheaper and more reliable. ICE engines and transmissions are very complicated.

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I'm imagining all the folks that said the same thing about horses when cars first came out. Way too expensive, breaks down, impractical. Will never catch on, just a fad,etc.

Electric cars will eventually win out because they will be much simpler and cheaper and more reliable. ICE engines and transmissions are very complicated.

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Start a thread when it happens (cheaper) because that has been the prediction for 10 years.