Ag98and03 said:

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Liberals want laws followed.

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You mean like crossing a border without proper authorization?

Lmao.

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3) Quit racial profiling. Brown skin, an accent do not mean someone is undocumented.

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Racial profiling is effective because it works. And it's just common sense for a multitude of crimes across all races.

If I'm looking for moonshiners and bootleggers in Kentucky I'm not considering a Tesla full of Indians. I'm looking for redneck whites.

Amazing how many posters don't even know what all ICE does. They are the premier federal law enforcement agency fighting illegal immigration, child trafficking, money laundering, and illegal drugs. They work domestically and overseas undercover. Rounding up illegals is just a "surge" operation for them right now.

Teslag said:

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1) warrants must be done by an impartial judge. Not by someone out in the field.

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Administrative warrants were used to deport illegals under Obama and bush.

Why is it a problem now?

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Orange Man Bad

ICE will not stop enforcement. Also have U.S. Marshals, FBI; deputize state and local commissioned peace officers. Pay state and local departments a bonus for each deportee.

Ag98and03 said:

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We need a properly trained team to implement LEGAL deportation.

Liberals want laws followed.

I am old enough I remember when Trump made Republicans kill a border bill under Biden because he wanted to make sure he could run on the issue of a broken immigration system. In case you have forgotten

1) warrants must be done by an impartial judge. Not by someone out in the field.
2) Law enforcement must be trained from the ground up how to follow the laws while also doing their jobs.
3) Quit racial profiling. Brown skin, an accent do not mean someone is undocumented.
4) For the love of everything good, quit lying to the public. Trump, Noem, Bovino, Miller, Vance lie constantly.

Actually, I don't even know why I am bothering with this. You guys will twist everything into whatever you want it to be.

But suffice it to say- deportation has been safely, legally, and without terrorization done under all manner of presidents. Trump? He could do it it legally, but he doesn't want to. He wants to terrorize.

And this board is completely fine with terrorization too.

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For your "plan" to be done, it would take 50 years and thousands of judges, if one can find an "impartial" one being that one has already been convicted for aiding and abetting illegals, to implement and deport the over 10 million plus illegals that entered the country under Biden, which completely ignored the laws already in the books.

OP - liberals are marxists. They want no border laws. They support all organizations that hate America and our Constitution. They are evil. All evil comes from satan.

Can anyone even tell me why ICE is bad or doing something wrong? It's not ICE's fault that the $2 billion was being grifted by Somali pirates and the Minnesota government.

Dan Carlin said:

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I don't think the dichotomy is between getting rid of ICE or not, it's whether or not to continue allowing them to immorally and illegally terrorize people, both citizens and non.

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Let the local and state police that are trained to deal with protestors and crowd control do their job, so ICE and the Border Patrol can do their job. That's how this is supposed to work anyway..

You're 100% blaming ICE, but these protestors are threatening them, ramming their vehicles, etc and trying to treat them like they are mall cops with no authority at all...

Liberals don't like the law that says illegals can be deported.

ICE enforces that law.

Liberals hate ICE, and the many Hispanic agents of ICE, because they enforce a law they want ignored.

It's that simple.

Teslag said:

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Which federal agency should then be tasked with the lawful roundup of illegals and facilitating their lawful deportation from this country?

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ICE does more than deportations, Liberals are not to smart. They forgot about the CUSTOMS part.

Ag98and03 said:

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We need a properly trained team to implement LEGAL deportation.

Liberals want laws followed.

I am old enough I remember when Trump made Republicans kill a border bill under Biden because he wanted to make sure he could run on the issue of a broken immigration system. In case you have forgotten

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Who can remember when you stopped lying about the "border bill"? I cant

The "border bill" was a fund Israel and Ukraine bill.


https://www.heritage.org/homeland-security/report/the-senate-border-bill-disaster-border-security

The Senate bill codifies President Biden's and DHS Secretary Mayorkas's open-border tools in statute.

These measures would not only continue the border crisis but would also make it more difficult for any future enforcement-minded President to fix.

Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., called McConnell's moves to reach a border and Ukraine deal a "big tactical error."
"It was a huge mistake. And I think he's always cared more about giving money to Ukraine than he has about any other issue," Paul said of his fellow Kentuckian.

Teslag said:

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Liberals don't like the law that says illegals can be deported.

ICE enforces that law.

Liberals hate ICE, and the many Hispanic agents of ICE, because they enforce a law they want ignored.

It's that simple.

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I think it is simpler than this ( although I agree with you): the Federal government has sole and exclusive responsibility and accountability for enforcing the legal and recognized boundary of the United States.

It has been a generation or more since the border was defended with any form of alacrity.

So the people in a tizzy over the immigration enforcement are totally unprepared for what is required to satisfy a basic function of the federal government.

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I think it is simpler than this ( although I agree with you): the Federal government has sole and exclusive responsibility and accountability for enforcing the legal and recognized boundary of the United States.

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This is exactly the argument some states and municipalities make as the reason they do not participate in or cooperate with immigration enforcement (i.e. sanctuary cities).

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It has been a generation or more since the border was defended with any form of alacrity.

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Put border protection and patrol of the immediate vicinity of the border under control of the North American Command, which places the individuals performing this function under the jurisdiction of the UCMJ, not civilian courts and local DAs.

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fixer said:

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I think it is simpler than this ( although I agree with you): the Federal government has sole and exclusive responsibility and accountability for enforcing the legal and recognized boundary of the United States.

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This is exactly the argument some states and municipalities make as the reason they do not participate in or cooperate with immigration enforcement (i.e. sanctuary cities).

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It has been a generation or more since the border was defended with any form of alacrity.

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Put border protection and patrol of the immediate vicinity of the border under control of the North American Command, which places the individuals performing this function under the jurisdiction of the UCMJ, not civilian courts and local DAs.

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No one is telling the local and state agencies to enforce immigration law. They are just asking to be notified and sometimes hold for a couple of days on detainer. EVERY jail across the US does this for any LE agency.

If I run across someone on the west coast with a warrant from the east coast, the agency with the warrant gets notified and if they request it, the person gets arrested and held for a reasonable amount of time for the other agency to send someone to retrieve the arrestee.

Local agencies can participate in the program ICE has to deputize them to enforce title 8, but it's a voluntary program, just like all the rest of the federal task forces.

Ag98and03 said:

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I am old enough I remember when Trump made Republicans kill a border bill under Biden because he wanted to make sure he could run on the issue of a broken immigration system.

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Evidently you aren't old enough to have actually read the border bill. The one that would have codified 4,500 illegal crossings per day, and allowed a President to increase that number at their discretion.

At least be honest, drop the ridiculous talking points, and admit that all the left really wants is open borders.

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CDUB98 said:

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Dunb question. They don't want anyone deported.

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What administration removed the most non citizens from this country?

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And which administration allowed the most in, all the while telling us it wasn't happening, and that the border was secure?

Squadron7 said:

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Easy. They want ICE replaced with n open border.

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And fenced neighborhoods to keep illegal immigrants out (of their homes).

Geminiv said:

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CDUB98 said:

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Dunb question. They don't want anyone deported.

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What administration removed the most non citizens from this country?

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If youre implying it was Obama- he counted those removed from the border as deportations.

If we learned anything, its that comparing govt statistics across administrations is a fools errand since its never exactly apples to apples.

Who?mikejones! said:

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Geminiv said:

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CDUB98 said:

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Dunb question. They don't want anyone deported.

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What administration removed the most non citizens from this country?

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If youre implying it was Obama- he counted those removed from the border as deportations.

If we learned anything, its that comparing govt statistics across administrations is a fools errand since its never exactly apples to apples.

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Those are still counted as deportations. Where Obama cheated was calling "turn backs" (crossers that were never in custody, but went back to try again) as "deportations".

Thanks for the clarification

The democratic party has made it very clear that it has no interest in protecting the border or enforcing immigration law. If you know someone who voted democrat in the past few elections, you know someone who is for open borders and not enforcing immigration law

Liberals are quickly becoming the part of anti-christ. All we do is look to Europe. Muslims will take over Europe in the next 30 years.

Christians on the left and right better wake up to what's really happening.

Stop getting lost in political power on the left and protect your country. Otherwise, all the progress the USA HAS MADE in the last 50 years that are significantly more inclusive and diverse than other countries will be gone.

Liberals will get to experience what it's really like living in a Muslim country. How inclusive and diverse and welcoming that culture can be. Liberals asked for it. I hope I'm dead before it happens. I hope the left has a come to Jesus moment before then.

Ag98and03 said:

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We need a properly trained team to implement LEGAL deportation.

Liberals want laws followed.

I am old enough I remember when Trump made Republicans kill a border bill under Biden because he wanted to make sure he could run on the issue of a broken immigration system. In case you have forgotten

1) warrants must be done by an impartial judge. Not by someone out in the field.
2) Law enforcement must be trained from the ground up how to follow the laws while also doing their jobs.
3) Quit racial profiling. Brown skin, an accent do not mean someone is undocumented.
4) For the love of everything good, quit lying to the public. Trump, Noem, Bovino, Miller, Vance lie constantly.

Actually, I don't even know why I am bothering with this. You guys will twist everything into whatever you want it to be.

But suffice it to say- deportation has been safely, legally, and without terrorization done under all manner of presidents. Trump? He could do it it legally, but he doesn't want to. He wants to terrorize.

And this board is completely fine with terrorization too.

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What an absolute crock of totally uninformed nonsense.

1. Every single detainee sees a judge. Active warrants are issued for those with previous deportation orders and ignored them (why not?).
2. ICE is heavily composed of former Customs and Border Patrol Agents. They are asked to join. They also have a heavy presence of former military (all I know are former NCOs or officers) and law enforcement (think "DPS"). THEY DON'T TAKE NEW HOGH SCHOOL GRADUATES, and every single one goes to the ICE academy.
3. When over 80% of your target comes from south of the U.S. border and Caribbean, and tends to congregate together, where do you look? They are also working off of tips from "homies".
4. Not even worth addressing.

The only places getting rough treatment are those that require it. I don't know why I'm bothering, you don't have the slightest idea what you're blathering about

Ag98and03 said:

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We need a properly trained team to implement LEGAL deportation.

Liberals want laws followed.

I am old enough I remember when Trump made Republicans kill a border bill under Biden because he wanted to make sure he could run on the issue of a broken immigration system. In case you have forgotten

1) warrants must be done by an impartial judge. Not by someone out in the field.
2) Law enforcement must be trained from the ground up how to follow the laws while also doing their jobs.
3) Quit racial profiling. Brown skin, an accent do not mean someone is undocumented.
4) For the love of everything good, quit lying to the public. Trump, Noem, Bovino, Miller, Vance lie constantly.

Actually, I don't even know why I am bothering with this. You guys will twist everything into whatever you want it to be.

But suffice it to say- deportation has been safely, legally, and without terrorization done under all manner of presidents. Trump? He could do it it legally, but he doesn't want to. He wants to terrorize.

And this board is completely fine with terrorization too.

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If your leftist leaders would call ice when they have an illegal alien criminal in jail and have them come pick them up, they would not have to be out in the streets hunting them down.

B-1 83 said:

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Amazing how many posters don't even know what all ICE does. They are the premier federal law enforcement agency fighting illegal immigration, child trafficking, money laundering, and illegal drugs. They work domestically and overseas undercover. Rounding up illegals is just a "surge" operation for them right now.

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I'm going to ttt this, because so many posters didn't see it, or ignored it. I'll also add that Customs and Border Patrol =/= ICE. Different agencies under the same Department (DHS). Customs works at ports of entry. Border Patrol is at the border (200 miles or less inside, as I recall, unless designated as special agents for details), and ICE works border to border and overseas.

Ag98and03 said:

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We need a properly trained team to implement LEGAL deportation.

Liberals want laws followed.

I am old enough I remember when Trump made Republicans kill a border bill under Biden because he wanted to make sure he could run on the issue of a broken immigration system. In case you have forgotten

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LOL. Insane that you still believe this.

And no new bill was required. All it required was a POTUS who didnt do ridiculously insane **** like suing states who tried to prevent illegal entries and letting illegals come from god-knows-where to battleground states. Some even got FREE FLIGHTS to do so.

Trump absolutely proved that is true, he used the existing framework to reduce illegal entries to it's lowest in a century.

Your "new law" would have codified over 2M entries as "normal".

It has nothing to do with ICE. It's just their cause du jour for the time. The left just need something to cause chaos and division and then pay and inspire their useful idiots to do their thing.
If ICE was removed today, they'd ***** and protest about the next thing.
Never give in to these ****ers.

We don't get rid of ICE.

I'd be just as fine if ICE got rid of the radical-left agitators over the illegals who, aside from being here illegally, haven't committed any crimes while being here, first.

Then, once the agitators are taken care of, ICE can go back to doing the job they've been doing in every administration since they're inception.

Ag98and03 said:

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We need a properly trained team to implement LEGAL deportation.

Liberals want laws followed.

I am old enough I remember when Trump made Republicans kill a border bill under Biden because he wanted to make sure he could run on the issue of a broken immigration system. In case you have forgotten

1) warrants must be done by an impartial judge. Not by someone out in the field.
2) Law enforcement must be trained from the ground up how to follow the laws while also doing their jobs.
3) Quit racial profiling. Brown skin, an accent do not mean someone is undocumented.
4) For the love of everything good, quit lying to the public. Trump, Noem, Bovino, Miller, Vance lie constantly.

Actually, I don't even know why I am bothering with this. You guys will twist everything into whatever you want it to be.

But suffice it to say- deportation has been safely, legally, and without terrorization done under all manner of presidents. Trump? He could do it it legally, but he doesn't want to. He wants to terrorize.

And this board is completely fine with terrorization too.

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You mean the border bill that included aid to Israel and Ukraine and wouldn't shut the border unless there were 8,500 encounters in a single day? You think Trump was playing politics by encouraging Republicans not to vote for this?

Ag98and03 said:

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We need a properly trained team to implement LEGAL deportation.

Liberals want laws followed.

I am old enough I remember when Trump made Republicans kill a border bill under Biden because he wanted to make sure he could run on the issue of a broken immigration system. In case you have forgotten

1) warrants must be done by an impartial judge. Not by someone out in the field.
2) Law enforcement must be trained from the ground up how to follow the laws while also doing their jobs.
3) Quit racial profiling. Brown skin, an accent do not mean someone is undocumented.
4) For the love of everything good, quit lying to the public. Trump, Noem, Bovino, Miller, Vance lie constantly.

Actually, I don't even know why I am bothering with this. You guys will twist everything into whatever you want it to be.

But suffice it to say- deportation has been safely, legally, and without terrorization done under all manner of presidents. Trump? He could do it it legally, but he doesn't want to. He wants to terrorize.

And this board is completely fine with terrorization too.

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You cannot be serious. Liberals want laws followed? You spent years ignoring the law. You want the laws you agree with followed.

This thread is yet another example of hundreds and thousands that prove Reagon was correct.

VP at Pierce and Pierce said:

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Can anyone even tell me why ICE is bad or doing something wrong? It's not ICE's fault that the $2 billion was being grifted by Somali pirates and the Minnesota government.

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That's just a right-wing conspiracy theory and apparently one of the journalists recently laid off from Wapo wasn't even aware of the Learing Center.

If journalists on the left aren't aware of it it's probably a good bet most liberals aren't aware of it either. And they claim we're an echo chamber.

I offered a serious reply to this thread and the people who didn't like what I had to say flagged it until the mods deleted it, as per usual. If people don't like it when F16 gets called an echo chamber, they should stop going out of their way to make it one.

Ryan the Temp said:

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I offered a serious reply to this thread and the people who didn't like what I had to say flagged it until the mods deleted it, as per usual. If people don't like it when F16 gets called an echo chamber, they should stop going out of their way to make it one.

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Flagging something only gets it deleted if it breaks the rules that TexAgs has set in place. Take accountability for your own actions.