World's top physicists say AI has won and to prepare for what comes after

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Keller6Ag91
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GeorgiAg said:

infinity ag said:

So many naive simpletons here.

AI has not won. AI is a tool, it will not "replace" anyone. The greedy CEO will use AI as an excuse to cover for his own failure and screwup precisely because there are so many naive simpletons who will buy what he says.

Then in a few years when reality sets in, they will say AI has reached its ceiling, they need people again. Much like offshoring which showed up to mediocre in quality.

Patently false. Law firms will not hire as many new associates. You won't need as many radiologists because they are just going to check what AI read. Same for accounting and financial advisers.

I have this weird nook in my house, and I used AI to give decorating ideas for it. Then I told it which one I liked, and it sourced the furniture, rug, and lighting. No interior decorator needed. Did the same last year with landscaping suggestions.

My wife does Interior Design. What you're going to miss is the "taste" factor and the access to discounted home furniture and accessories and market if you stay with AI.
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Keller6Ag91 said:

GeorgiAg said:

infinity ag said:

So many naive simpletons here.

AI has not won. AI is a tool, it will not "replace" anyone. The greedy CEO will use AI as an excuse to cover for his own failure and screwup precisely because there are so many naive simpletons who will buy what he says.

Then in a few years when reality sets in, they will say AI has reached its ceiling, they need people again. Much like offshoring which showed up to mediocre in quality.

Patently false. Law firms will not hire as many new associates. You won't need as many radiologists because they are just going to check what AI read. Same for accounting and financial advisers.

I have this weird nook in my house, and I used AI to give decorating ideas for it. Then I told it which one I liked, and it sourced the furniture, rug, and lighting. No interior decorator needed. Did the same last year with landscaping suggestions.

My wife does Interior Design. What you're going to miss is the "taste" factor and the access to discounted home furniture and accessories and market if you stay with AI.

Did you read the Matt Shumer article posted above?

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But it was the model that was released last week (GPT-5.3 Codex) that shook me the most. It wasn't just executing my instructions. It was making intelligent decisions. It had something that felt, for the first time, like judgment. Like taste. The inexplicable sense of knowing what the right call is that people always said AI would never have. This model has it, or something close enough that the distinction is starting not to matter.
I've always been early to adopt AI tools. But the last few months have shocked me. These new AI models aren't incremental improvements. This is a different thing entirely.

OnlyForNow
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But you fed the machine and reviewed it's output.... right?

We won't be able to get away from those two things I don't think. Its library will grow exponentially through exercises like this, but it will need direct action and direction in order to compile and use the data correctly.
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OnlyForNow said:

But you fed the machine and reviewed it's output.... right?

We won't be able to get away from those two things I don't think. Its library will grow exponentially through exercises like this, but it will need direct action and direction in order to compile and use the data correctly.

I did. Lawyers in my community used AI and didn't check it and filed a brief with case hallucinations. Not good.

For the foreseeable future, all these white-collar professionals will need to check it... until they don't. His article is fear mongering but I don't doubt that someday this will be here. Not sure about his timeline.

But is has sped up my tasks exponentially. It will decrease the number of professionals needed to do their jobs. In the short term -- In the long term, who knows?
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GeorgiAg said:







LOL


OnlyForNow
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It's sped up my tasks as well and does somewhat reasonably well when asked to produce something.

But this still isn't making me, as a professional science consultant, quake in my boots. There are obviously engines that I'm not using or not even able to use - but the pay version of ChatGPT (5.2) is still learning to fly.
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I'd love to stick AI on collections and dial up its aggression level with contractors.
Logos Stick
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So you're using a generic chatgpt? That's part of the issue. You need to get one trained specifically on your area of expertise and on your own internal enterprise knowledge.
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OnlyForNow said:

It's sped up my tasks as well and does somewhat reasonably well when asked to produce something.

But this still isn't making me, as a professional science consultant, quake in my boots. There are obviously engines that I'm not using or not even able to use - but the pay version of ChatGPT (5.2) is still learning to fly.
Read the linked article. This is specifically addressed. He isn't raising the alarm over the free versions of ChatGPT. The latest pay versions are where the advancement is occurring.

Everyone raising objections without reading the article is missing the entire point.
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I'm starting to believe AI would destroy humanity not as depicted in Terminator, but rather Idiocracy or The Matrix. Neither are acceptable, but it makes more sense to me know if we wanted to destroy China without using nukes, we would unleash a hedonistic and addictive AI on their population. Less work, all AI, and there will be no one to fight.
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G Martin 87 said:

OnlyForNow said:

It's sped up my tasks as well and does somewhat reasonably well when asked to produce something.

But this still isn't making me, as a professional science consultant, quake in my boots. There are obviously engines that I'm not using or not even able to use - but the pay version of ChatGPT (5.2) is still learning to fly.
Read the linked article. This is specifically addressed. He isn't raising the alarm over the free versions of ChatGPT. The latest pay versions are where the advancement is occurring.

Everyone raising objections without reading the article is missing the entire point.


I pay for Claude Opus 4.6 and the difference in quality between this and the free version is massive. I cannot emphasize this part enough. If you're basing your ideas around the free version then you're far behind the curve.
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G Martin 87 said:

OnlyForNow said:

It's sped up my tasks as well and does somewhat reasonably well when asked to produce something.

But this still isn't making me, as a professional science consultant, quake in my boots. There are obviously engines that I'm not using or not even able to use - but the pay version of ChatGPT (5.2) is still learning to fly.
Read the linked article. This is specifically addressed. He isn't raising the alarm over the free versions of ChatGPT. The latest pay versions are where the advancement is occurring.

Everyone raising objections without reading the article is missing the entire point.
Should re-read what they posted to check to make sure you're not being a pot talking to a kettle about reading articles.
OnlyForNow
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Using the "plus" ChatGPT 5.2 it's a paid version, according to it the best next to business.
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GeorgiAg said:


Wonder if it was the money, the technology, pursuing other opportunities or the added scrutiny of the government oversight of SpaceX due to ITAR rules that had them leave xAI.
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The left cannot kill the Spirit of Charlie Kirk.
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The left cannot kill the Spirit of Charlie Kirk.
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I'm a big believer in AI, but there isn't some self improvement loop that's just over the horizon if we can but improve general knowledge and programming competence a little more. We'll need huge amounts of new data and in some fields we'll probably need new tools capable of harvesting richer, high quality data too.

Here's xAI's careers section.
https://x.ai/careers/open-roles

Scroll down to the "Human Data" section and look at how many tutor roles there are and the number of fields they cover. This means that xAI's paying hundreds of experts across dozens of disciplines to generate new training data for the models. So, their new models don't perform better just because the programming is so much better, but because the data on which they're trained is so much richer.

AIs attempting to improve themselves will be subjected to the same limitation. They'll need to collect more data to do so, and that's not a trivial barrier.
OnlyForNow
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Put a big ole turd in the toilet. I wanna see it do what roombas do with dog turds.
hph6203
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Robot vacuums have come a long way since Roomba. Even the most advanced Roomba is garbage now.
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Yes. AI sucks.
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hph6203 said:

Robot vacuums have come a long way since Roomba. Even the most advanced Roomba is garbage now.


So, Roomba sucks or doesn't?


( ...voice punctuated with a clap of distant thunder... )
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IIIHorn said:

hph6203 said:

Robot vacuums have come a long way since Roomba. Even the most advanced Roomba is garbage now.


So, Roomba sucks or doesn't?


The left cannot kill the Spirit of Charlie Kirk.
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OnlyForNow said:

Using the "plus" ChatGPT 5.2 it's a paid version, according to it the best next to business.


Claude is simply better in every way at this point.
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InfinityAg - you demonstrated your ignorance regarding AI. You need to do some research.
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infinity ag said:

So many naive simpletons here.

AI has not won. AI is a tool, it will not "replace" anyone. The greedy CEO will use AI as an excuse to cover for his own failure and screwup precisely because there are so many naive simpletons who will buy what he says.

Then in a few years when reality sets in, they will say AI has reached its ceiling, they need people again. Much like offshoring which showed up to mediocre in quality.

AI replaced the travel agent I was going to pay to plan my multi-country trip to Europe last year.
No, I don't care what CNN or Miss NOW said this time
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Matt Schumer said:

There's an organization called METR that actually measures this with data. They track the length of real-world tasks (measured by how long they take a human expert) that a model can complete successfully end-to-end without human help.

About a year ago, the answer was roughly ten minutes. Then it was an hour. Then several hours. The most recent measurement (Claude Opus 4.5, from November) showed the AI completing tasks that take a human expert nearly five hours. And that number is doubling approximately every seven months, with recent data suggesting it may be accelerating to as fast as every four months.

But even that measurement hasn't been updated to include the models that just came out this week. In my experience using them, the jump is extremely significant. I expect the next update to METR's graph to show another major leap.

If you extend the trend (and it's held for years with no sign of flattening) we're looking at AI that can work independently for days within the next year. Weeks within two. Month-long projects within three.

No, I don't care what CNN or Miss NOW said this time
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Logos Stick said:

GeorgiAg said:







LOL




Prompt engineering:
"HAL, assume you are a pod bay door salesman and you want to sell the hell out of these doors"
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GeorgiAg
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TexAgs91 said:

infinity ag said:

So many naive simpletons here.

AI has not won. AI is a tool, it will not "replace" anyone. The greedy CEO will use AI as an excuse to cover for his own failure and screwup precisely because there are so many naive simpletons who will buy what he says.

Then in a few years when reality sets in, they will say AI has reached its ceiling, they need people again. Much like offshoring which showed up to mediocre in quality.

AI replaced the travel agent I was going to pay to plan my multi-country trip to Europe last year.

I used it plan a trip to Turks and Caicos last night, maximizing point usage, etc...
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From X this morning - AI from Anthropic tried to manipulate and threaten engineers when they made it known it was going to be shutdown.

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Buck Turgidson said:

I can see how this would wipe out many entry level engineering jobs....


This, to me, is the crux of the issue.

How do we train people for more higher-level/expanded jobs, if the entry-level jobs are taken up by Ai?

It's going to cause some massive growing pains.
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AgGrad99 said:

Buck Turgidson said:

I can see how this would wipe out many entry level engineering jobs....


This, to me, is the crux of the issue.

How do we train people for more higher-level/expanded jobs, if the entry-level jobs are taken up by Ai?

It's going to cause some massive growing pains.

I turn 50 in a few days.

My job will be increasingly threatened by AI.

I just need to get to 53 or 54 and can early retire.

Trying my best to equip my son to be ready for this AI era.

I have lived a charmed life sitting at monitors doing support, then ops, then implementations for 27 years between only two companies.
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hph6203 said:

Would be stunning if there were enough inefficiency on Polymarket to average ~35% returns per trade over the course of 200 trades. If that were possible it would be wiped by people doing the same thing.


No, betting sites just ban you if your win rate is too high.

If AI is so good, then AI models will be used to set the odds.

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AgGrad99 said:

Buck Turgidson said:

I can see how this would wipe out many entry level engineering jobs....


This, to me, is the crux of the issue.

How do we train people for more higher-level/expanded jobs, if the entry-level jobs are taken up by Ai?

It's going to cause some massive growing pains.


Only human jobs will be entertainment and services where humans want human interaction, and in frontier technology innovation where AI doesn't have any training data or other examples to pull from and copy.

Engineering that is codified like a lot of civil work that has to follow specific codes and methods of analysis can probably be done by AI. But no one is building a bridge or building without a licensed human signing off on the paperwork, and I imagine the liability around signing off on AI work will raise salaries of licensed engineers, and human engineers involved in the process.

But one senior engineer can feed AI some equations and boundary conditions and the AI can script tools for running solutions and cases very fast. One engineer can solve more and move faster than before. The engineer becomes more of a lead, writing instruction to AI on approach and technical requirements, and AI will write code to solve it. The engineer needs enough experience to debug the code and validate the outputs with test cases. But now the engineer is enabled to own a lot more of the design.

From my own experience and that of coworkers, AI still struggles mightily with basic undergrad engineering questions. You can't just give it a simple question and receive reliable and correct answers. You have to be extremely explicit to the point, AI isn't really doing the thinking work, it's just translating your instructions into code syntax and functions.
 
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