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You left out the part of my quote where the MSM is repeating over and over again, without any proof, that ICE is arresting US Citizens of the wrong color.

Yes, it is the left and the MSM that is creating the concern, but it isn't helpful to pretend that the concern isn't there.

What concern?

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Voter intimidation is a thing, and we should be concerned about it.

It is a concern if US citizens that are Hispanic may be intimidated by ICE being at polling locations due to the lies spread by the MSM. That intimidation might be unfounded, but it is plausible, and a problem. You can't just say "hey Jose, get a little smarter" and pretend that it doesn't exist.

There are better ways to reduce voting by illegal aliens than putting ICE at the polls, as has been laid out in this thread.

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Why would any citizen of the United States regardless of race be worried about ICE? That makes no sense.

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Because Trump is Hitler and he hates all brown people and will detain everyone trying to vote that is brown. You know, destroying democracy and all that.

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You left out the part of my quote where the MSM is repeating over and over again, without any proof, that ICE is arresting US Citizens of the wrong color.

Yes, it is the left and the MSM that is creating the concern, but it isn't helpful to pretend that the concern isn't there.

What concern?

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Voter intimidation is a thing, and we should be concerned about it.

It is a concern if US citizens that are Hispanic may be intimidated by ICE being at polling locations due to the lies spread by the MSM. That intimidation might be unfounded, but it is plausible, and a problem. You can't just say "hey Jose, get a little smarter" and pretend that it doesn't exist.

There are better ways to reduce voting by illegal aliens than putting ICE at the polls, as has been laid out in this thread.

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Tell me you have never traveled anywhere without telling me you have never traveled anywhere. There are many places in the world where voter intimidation occurs. It isnt in the US.


On another note, I am so glad you are here to protect our brown brothers and sisters who are helpless without bigoted white knights coming to their aid.

When the KKK or the Black Panthers show up at the booth, lets talk about voter intimidation, until then cut the BS. LEOs arent the issue.


Finally, i have spent much of my life overseas, across Asia, Africa and the ME. I happen to be in one of those places right now. (Yes it is very early morning here…). I'm sitting by another American who is naturalized and grew up third world.

We were discussing this thread, and he is literally mocking leftists and progressives for their bigotry.

It is repugnant, disgusting and dishonest. THAT IS WHAT WE SHOULD BE AFRAID OF… that they are blatantly bigots and think they can pretend otherwise. It is disgusting.

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God, I hope you guys or your companies hire good PR guys.

I would rather have:
1) ICE arresting and deporting criminals;
2) Congress and Trump pushing Voter ID laws;
3) The DOJ investigating voting fraud.

Using ICE to combat voting fraud is terrible optics, probably not that effective, gives the MSM a way to paint ICE in a bad light, and takes the focus off of the people committing the fraud (election poll workers and that entire scam) and puts to focus on voters. Now you have ICE not targeting violent criminals, but basically standing somewhere hoping to catch some illegals.

It's just a really, really bad strategy when there are much better options.

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Steve Bannon actively stating that ICE agents will be at polling places in order for people to not be able to "steal elections". Complete and utter voter intimidation. Ensuring minorities don't show up to polls under threat of being detained with no evidence.

https://www.newsweek.com/steve-bannon-proposes-using-ice-in-elections-11462376

This administration is a direct threat to our democracy

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What voters is he intimidating?

The odds of OP answering are slim - I'm late to the thread, and by now his nonsense has either gotten his teeth kicked in, or it was a troll and run.

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LOL, what?

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ICE has the ability to detain people they perceive as being potentially not from this country without warrant . That means even people with valid ID that show up to polls that aren't white can be detained which is voter intimidation

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Sixteen people starred this nonsense?

Where is staff?

I didn't comment on ICE being a good, bad , or indifferent option


I commented on the lack of voter intimidation and the bigotry of white knights assuming that their brown brothers and sisters are helpless without the faux outrage of the left.

Blatantly bigotry is a major problem. Find redemption.

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You left out the part of my quote where the MSM is repeating over and over again, without any proof, that ICE is arresting US Citizens of the wrong color.

Yes, it is the left and the MSM that is creating the concern, but it isn't helpful to pretend that the concern isn't there.

What concern?

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Voter intimidation is a thing, and we should be concerned about it.

It is a concern if US citizens that are Hispanic may be intimidated by ICE being at polling locations due to the lies spread by the MSM. That intimidation might be unfounded, but it is plausible, and a problem. You can't just say "hey Jose, get a little smarter" and pretend that it doesn't exist.

There are better ways to reduce voting by illegal aliens than putting ICE at the polls, as has been laid out in this thread.

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Why would any citizen of the United States regardless of race be worried about ICE? That makes no sense.

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Because the media lies to everyone and says that ICE is stopping every brown person they can find, and deporting their relatives.

It may be an irrational fear, but the fear is real.

When my woman jumps up on a chair and screams because there is a big hairy spider on the floor, I don't tell her to stop being irrational, I kill the spider.

If ICE was just hanging out around polls and the ACLU sues ICE for intimidation, what do you think the legal standard is on whether intimidation was a factor? ICE's record at arresting people? No. What is going to be important is whether or not an average Hispanic American citizen MIGHT be intimidated by their presence, given all the crazy media coverage. And that decision is going to be made by a jury in a jurisdiction that you are 100% sure to get multiple Hispanic Americans that have relatives in the country that are illegal aliens. You are simply setting yourself up for failure based on principle, and that is not a great strategy.

Just because you legally can do something doesn't mean that you should.

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Using ICE to combat voting fraud is terrible optics, probably not that effective, gives the MSM a way to paint ICE in a bad light, and takes the focus off of the people committing the fraud (election poll workers and that entire scam) and puts to focus on voters. Now you have ICE not targeting violent criminals, but basically standing somewhere hoping to catch some illegals.

It's just a really, really bad strategy when there are much better options.

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Call in to Bannon's podcast and tell him your thoughts.

But until this becomes an admin policy or proposal, then not sure how much "critique" it deserves as a "strategy".

Soundslike Newsweek wrote a troll piece that Reddit picked up and the OP brought here.

If you are legal, and intimidated by ICE, the country is probably better off with you not voting.

Well, you would be wrong. There's nothing "nonsensical" about anything you said, except for what you said. And isn't it funny how so many people think that illegals are all Hispanic. They're not. And sure many wouldn't be interested.

And again. If you are a legal person who can vote in the United States whether you immigrated here legally or not, you would not be worried about ICE. There's not a damn thing they can do to you. Why would you be intimidated by something you're not?

I'll post this here and then McDonald can come over here from our earlier post.

This literally took me about six minutes to find these and I imagine it's more like the hundred and thousands of cases this happens with.

They want to keep Democrats in power so they can stay and get free ***** Why do you think the Biden administration let in over 11 million of them. This isn't even really hard.

14 states out of 50 do not require any type of identification at the polls
- For those 14 states, there's an exception where they may be required to show ID
- And then in quite a few states also, there are government issued IDs to non-citizens where they can vote for certain municipalities
- And then there are 12 states that require documentation but no photo ID required.

So an a large part of the entire country that does not have proper documentation to vote.

But sure no illegals are voting in the election. Why do you think Democrats want them here so badly? You think they actually give a **** about them?

A CANADIAN immigrant, who was here legally but not a U.S. citizen, was arrested for illegally voting in NINE different federal and state elections between 2017 and 2024 in Alabama.

71-year-old Franc Neil Maloney, who was out on bond for 187 counts of child p*rnograhpy, was indicted on FOUR counts of felony voter fraud in Blount County.

Blount County District Attorney Pamela Casey says, "Only American citizens are allowed to vote. When a non-citizen votes, that vote cancels out the voice of a legal American voter."

Casey said she was shocked a photo ID is required to vote, but it is not required to register to vote and we have to correct this.

186 illegal aliens were illegally registered to vote there.

25 of these people voted in Alabama elections.

And…

And here it is,

It is officially over for the election fraud deniers across all 50 states,

+ 10,000 illegal aliens, using the same exact Social Security number voted in the Nov 3, 2020 election, and this is just in the border state of Arizona.

📝U.S. Congress certified a… https://t.co/dkHVB7jIEH pic.twitter.com/oD1zD2FAoe

— 🇺🇸RealRobert🇺🇸 (@Real_RobN) June 25, 2024

These are not anomalies.

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I tend to agree with you that putting ICE at polling stations is a bridge too far, because I do think that legal US citizens might be intimidated because of their skin color.

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Really?

If US Citizens think that they're going to be targeted because of their skin color, they're probably too dumb to vote anyway.

If you think you're going to be targeted by ICE due to an unchangeable physical trait, you should probably be prepared to deal with that. Change your deportment accordingly.

When I've been a big blond guy working in China, I dress and behave appropriately and of course always carry my paperwork. Especially when I walked through a pro-democracy protest in Hong Kong.

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You left out the part of my quote where the MSM is repeating over and over again, without any proof, that ICE is arresting US Citizens of the wrong color.

Yes, it is the left and the MSM that is creating the concern, but it isn't helpful to pretend that the concern isn't there.

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I did leave that part out but, I interpreted your statement as saying that you (not the MSM) believe that US Citizens are afraid of being harassed or whatever at the polling place, due to their skin color.

Which, to that, I say:
a - Good because the people who believe that are too stupid to vote and should stay home
b - If those hypothetical people are too wrapped up in their skin color to see the potential payday from the subsequent Civil Rights lawsuit, again, they should stay home.

As an example, it's been about 20 months since I was last stopped by the US Border Patrol. And since there was a good chance that I would get stopped, I had all my paperwork with me.

Life just doesn't have to be that difficult. Keep your paperwork straight. Carry ID, etc.

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ICE has the ability to detain people they perceive as being potentially not from this country without warrant . That means even people with valid ID that show up to polls that aren't white can be detained which is voter intimidation

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I didn't realize the United States was the only nation with white people. So all foreigners are non-white.

Hmmm.

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Oh FFS, lose the race card. There are plenty of ICE agents that are not white and ICE is targeting people based on criminal activity and probable cause, skin color is not a probable cause. And no ICE will not be at polling stations.

It is certainly a fact that the vast majority of illegal immigrants do not have white skin, so your argument is comically self defeating.

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That's a good point. The ICE agents who took out Pretti were both brown.

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The brownies shot whitey because they had it in for whitey. <sarcasm>. This is how ridiculous libs sound when they claim whitey is out to get all the colored.

Just follow the freaking law. Watch Chris Rock explain how not to get your ass kicked.

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His point is that you can't prove it. And they'll fight to the death to prevent measures that would allow you to prove it. And if you disagree, you're obviously racist.

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As a blond headed Puerto Rican, I'm obviously super racist. LOL

I love it when people act like their race is this huge burden.

You should see the stares I get in China, Japan, India, etc.

One thing Australia did right is that there are no hyphenated-Australians.

Without going through 7 pages; sorry if this idea has been mentioned.

At the polling station, person with ICE is there checking ID's, in plain clothes - looking just like the other polling staffers there, who SHOULD be checking/confirming ID. The ICE agent is there to make sure everyone is safe and doing their job according to the law.

How would this be intimidating? Only the polling staffers know there is an ICE working with them, and in some areas would make it known to everyone, while ICE is trying to keep a low profile and there to assist in checking everyone's ID. These polling staffers would be the problem, not ICE workers.

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I genuinely cannot believe that this post has 19 stars. We really should break up into two or more countries. We just don't even acknowledge the same basic realities anymore. We have absolutely nothing in common...no shared ideologies or opinions, no common goals or visions for this country. These people are insane and it's getting kind of scary.

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Using ICE to combat voting fraud is terrible optics, probably not that effective, gives the MSM a way to paint ICE in a bad light, and takes the focus off of the people committing the fraud (election poll workers and that entire scam) and puts to focus on voters. Now you have ICE not targeting violent criminals, but basically standing somewhere hoping to catch some illegals.

It's just a really, really bad strategy when there are much better options.

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Call in to Bannon's podcast and tell him your thoughts.

But until this becomes an admin policy or proposal, then not sure how much "critique" it deserves as a "strategy".

Soundslike Newsweek wrote a troll piece that Reddit picked up and the OP brought here.

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I would rather try to teach a pig to dance than call in to Bannon's show.

I'd rather watch you teach a pig to dance than to listen to Bannon's show, FWIW.

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Well, you would be wrong. There's nothing "nonsensical" about anything you said, except for what you said. And isn't it funny how so many people think that illegals are all Hispanic. They're not. And sure many wouldn't be interested.

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Those Learing centers were really set up and run by Hispanic Somalians.

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Always the race card when you people have nothing else.

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This IS about race?! If you are brown, speak a foreign language or have an accent the Supreme Court has ruled that is enough "probable cause" for ICE to pull you over or interrogate you. In spite of the 4th amendment.

As a Hispanic from S Texas who has seen and experienced blatant discrimination, I am sympathetic to what some US citizens who are profiled experience.

Like anything in life, until it impacts you directly, it is difficult to see things through a different lens. Illegal immigrants with criminal records should be deported. "Brown" people who are just driving or going to work shouldn't be randomly pulled over or interrogated without due process and cause.

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Really?

If US Citizens think that they're going to be targeted because of their skin color, they're probably too dumb to vote anyway.

If you think you're going to be targeted by ICE due to an unchangeable physical trait, you should probably be prepared to deal with that. Change your deportment accordingly.

When I've been a big blond guy working in China, I dress and behave appropriately and of course always carry my paperwork. Especially when I walked through a pro-democracy protest in Hong Kong.

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You left out the part of my quote where the MSM is repeating over and over again, without any proof, that ICE is arresting US Citizens of the wrong color.

Yes, it is the left and the MSM that is creating the concern, but it isn't helpful to pretend that the concern isn't there.

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I did leave that part out but, I interpreted your statement as saying that you (not the MSM) believe that US Citizens are afraid of being harassed or whatever at the polling place, due to their skin color.

Which, to that, I say:
a - Good because the people who believe that are too stupid to vote and should stay home
b - If those hypothetical people are too wrapped up in their skin color to see the potential payday from the subsequent Civil Rights lawsuit, again, they should stay home.

As an example, it's been about 20 months since I was last stopped by the US Border Patrol. And since there was a good chance that I would get stopped, I had all my paperwork with me.

Life just doesn't have to be that difficult. Keep your paperwork straight. Carry ID, etc.

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Unfortunately, being stupid doesn't disqualify people for voting. If you think ICE is going to arrest you at the polls, you are stupid. But, stupid people vote. If ICE was there, there would be some stupid people that would be intimidated. Intimidating voters is against the law, being stupid enough to be intimidated by ICE when you try to vote is not against the law. That's not ideal, but that is the way that it is.

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Always the race card when you people have nothing else.

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This IS about race?! If you are brown, speak a foreign language or have an accent the Supreme Court has ruled that is enough "probable cause" for ICE to pull you over or interrogate you. In spite of the 4th amendment.

As a Hispanic from S Texas who has seen and experienced blatant discrimination, I am sympathetic to what some US citizens who are profiled experience.

Like anything in life, until it impacts you directly, it is difficult to see things through a different lens. Illegal immigrants with criminal records should be deported. "Brown" people who are just driving or going to work shouldn't be randomly pulled over or interrogated without due process and cause.

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Good luck explaining anything rationally to leftists. These are people who believe Trump is deploying the Nat'l Guard and ICE to cities as test runs to seize the election by force in November or 2028 and install himself as a king. The No Kings rally proves their idiocy as plain as day.

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Like anything in life, until it impacts you directly, it is difficult to see things through a different lens. Illegal immigrants with criminal records should be deported. "Brown" people who are just driving or going to work shouldn't be randomly pulled over or interrogated without due process and cause.

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If you are brown in a area known for illegal activity (say a border town), then the LEO has the probably cause.

The due process you clamor for is the interrogation. You know, the reall tough stuff like "can you tell me your full name, date of birth and current address?" then they take it up a notch to the real difficult question "are you a US citizen or doe you otherwise have permanent or temporary legal status?".

Then, assuming you have endured such an interrogation, they may ask for proof via your ID. IF you fail to produce AND they remain suspicious, then additional "interrogation" may be warranted.

BTW - I just described due process.

Claiming the American citizens would be intimidated from exercising their voting rights is ridiculous. Normal Americans would be much more concerned about illegal aliens voting in states with no voter ID laws.

I don't get the race thing here. My white azz can't get into my own country without ID, and get stopped at border checkpoints EVERY time to check the same thing. My Hispanic wife and her family have no trouble going to polls to vote.

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So, there's no threat of ICE detaining any citizens on election day except is cities with a government controlled by the communist wing of the Democrat party where they allow belligerent behavior near polling stations. Once again, that's a prediction of nothing but positive outcomes from ICE presence around polling stations.

Besides, the agitators that get detained will have all voted by mail multiple times by election day

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They won't be detained if they have proper legal identification. Thanks for providing absolute proof that voter IDs are necessary.

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Sane Americans are vastly more concerned with the impact of illegals voting.
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According to CNN agrees. Their poll shows that 83% of Americans favor voter IDs.

• That includes data from last year, which showed a whopping 83% of citizens were in favor of it.
• Enten showed that 71% of Dems and 95% of Republicans backed voter ID, based on 2025 data from Pew.

And the idiots calling this Jim Crow legislation are,,.. well idiots.
CNN's Harry Enten says Americans of all races aren't buying Democrats' race-baiting narrative on voter ID
In favor of voter ID

• White 85%
• Hispanic 82%
• Black 76%

ETA: oops flown-the-coop pointed this out on the first page of the thread, late I am …,, again

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Sorry, I've been told this type of evidence is inadmissable malarkey my whole life.

- signed "White male discriminated against on the basis of 2 protected classes through affirmative action hiring practices."

Again, if my lily white arse is in the Congo and there is a manhunt for Scandinavians, I am probably going to have to carry my Texas passport on me at all times

Hell, I would not mind if that for the next year you have to present proof of legal residency any place at any time.

This is the fault of Dems opening the borders. Any lib complaining needs to find a mirror for the source of their ire.

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Steve Bannon actively stating that ICE agents will be at polling places in order for people to not be able to "steal elections". Complete and utter voter intimidation. Ensuring minorities don't show up to polls under threat of being detained with no evidence.

https://www.newsweek.com/steve-bannon-proposes-using-ice-in-elections-11462376

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I'm so tired of this performative nonsense. We all know you don't believe that ****, and you know exactly why they are doing it, we also know why you're so concerned about minorities. Stop it. You're not going to be able to steal elections with fake votes anymore, cope, cry or seeth, but quit asking us to pretend you don't know the truth.

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Steve Bannon actively stating that ICE agents will be at polling places in order for people to not be able to "steal elections". Complete and utter voter intimidation. Ensuring minorities don't show up to polls under threat of being detained with no evidence.

https://www.newsweek.com/steve-bannon-proposes-using-ice-in-elections-11462376

This administration is a direct threat to our democracy

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What voters is he intimidating?

The odds of OP answering are slim - I'm late to the thread, and by now his nonsense has either gotten his teeth kicked in, or it was a troll and run.

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Chiefly Latino voters. In September 2025, Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh authored a significant opinion allowing U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) to utilize broader authority in stopping individuals, effectively permitting the consideration of "apparent ethnicity" as a factor in reasonable suspicion. The 6-3 decision stayed a lower court order that had blocked such practices in Los Angeles, allowing "roving patrols" to resume.

This has been what has allowed ICE to randomly detain individuals they perceive as potentially being not from here. Over 170 us citizens have been detained by ICE at some point as of late 2025.

How many of the 170 are still detained?

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In September 2025, Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh authored a significant opinion allowing U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) to utilize broader authority in stopping individuals, effectively permitting the consideration of "apparent ethnicity" as a factor in reasonable suspicion. The 6-3 decision stayed a lower court order that had blocked such practices in Los Angeles, allowing "roving patrols" to resume.

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Tell me you know squat about how SCOTUS decisions work without telling me you have no clue.

Concurring opinion on a stay pending appeal case.