FarmerFran said:

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Logos Stick said:

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FarmerFran said:

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Rapier108 said:

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Bannon isn't part of the administration. He's nothing but a loudmouth with a microphone who says more dumb **** than Alex Jones.

But he gets all you leftists to freak out on a daily basis so as least he's useful for something.

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Oh so is Trump calling for nationalizing elections yesterday also nothing to be worried about?

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lol, wut?

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Jesus do you read the news?

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-nationalize-elections-reaction-11462777

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1) What does Trump mean when he says "Nationalize" elections. Most of the comments against Trump saying this are definist. The people choose to interpret what he means in a most unfavorable way, and then say that Trump is wrong.

2) Do you believe that Congress has the right to pass laws that set up regulations on how the states can hold federal elections?

3) Do you believe that the Executive branch has the right to enforce laws about federal elections that Congress passes?

4) Do you believe that Griswold is speaking honestly when she says that "It's also not a constitutional idea. It would be unconstitutional because under the Constitution, states oversee American elections. That's how it worked since we've had a Constitution." Do you believe that the states have the final say on how federal elections are run?

5) Is there a difference between Trump telling election officials how to run elections via executive order, and Trump telling election officials to follow federal law? Are you aware of Trump saying that he is going to change how federal elections are held via an executive order?

Just more spin, muck, and half truths from the left.

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BusterAg said:

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I tend to agree with you that putting ICE at polling stations is a bridge too far, because I do think that legal US citizens might be intimidated because of their skin color.

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Really?

If US Citizens think that they're going to be targeted because of their skin color, they're probably too dumb to vote anyway.

If you think you're going to be targeted by ICE due to an unchangeable physical trait, you should probably be prepared to deal with that. Change your deportment accordingly.

When I've been a big blond guy working in China, I dress and behave appropriately and of course always carry my paperwork. Especially when I walked through a pro-democracy protest in Hong Kong.

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You left out the part of my quote where the MSM is repeating over and over again, without any proof, that ICE is arresting US Citizens of the wrong color.

Yes, it is the left and the MSM that is creating the concern, but it isn't helpful to pretend that the concern isn't there.

aggiehawg said:

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Premium. And his profile says he lives in Atlanta.

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Ah, explains a lot.

I'm sorry, but you simply do not belong on this site if you don't know about Spygate, the Russaia Collusion hoax, or feds tampering with the 2020 election to help Joe Biden. Imagine being so clueless...but so bold and rude lol.

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why do low IQ brainwashed useful idiots get so carried away with defending uncontrolled unauditable no-ID elections or mass-mailed elections and scream about "protecting our democracy"?

how can they possibly disagree that an ID proving the person voting is the person who is registered to vote is a good thing? Showing an ID is not racist voter suppression or voter intimidation unless you're actually not eligible to be a registered voter.

if illegal aliens can't vote in US elections, why do they care if immigration and customs enforcement personnel were monitoring for compliance to election laws?

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These people see politcs as a game. They want their team to win. They don't care that they are getting screwed by their party.

The only way they can keep their power is to get illegals on the voter rolls and illegally harvest these votes after polls close when they know how many votes they need. Plus, all the illegals adds to their census and thus gives blue states more reps.

Thus, while these policies greatly hurt them and totally destroys democracy, they scream to keep them in place so their team wins.

Don't try to put logic into the subject when talking about the mind of a liberal. These people don't care about issues. Hell, they have to get paid to show up for their protests. No, they only care about their team winning.

Logos Stick said:

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brown person: why am I being detained?

ICE agent: I perceived you as potentially not being from this country. No vote for you today!



bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Any examples of an ICE agent doing something like this?

This would be blatantly against the law, and there are plenty of laws to protect against this behavior.

He didn't say minorities he said illegals but of course to you liberals everything is about race

Do people really not know how many states had the feds overseeing their elections for years under VRA?

FarmerFran said:

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Rapier108 said:

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Bannon isn't part of the administration. He's nothing but a loudmouth with a microphone who says more dumb **** than Alex Jones.

But he gets all you leftists to freak out on a daily basis so as least he's useful for something.

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Oh so is Trump calling for nationalizing elections yesterday also nothing to be worried about?

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Here's the quote and my punctuation is going to be completely off because it is very chaotic, following Trump's normal, erratic train of thought:

"The Republicans should say, 'we should take over the voting in at least, many, 15 places". The Republicans ought to nationalize the voting. And that, we have states that are so crooked, and they're counting votes.... We have states that I won that Joe didn't win. Now we are going to see something in Georgia where they were able to get with a court order, with the ballots. You are going to see some interesting things coming out. But, you know, like the 2020 election. I won that election by so much. Everybody knows it. That put a woman in jail in Colorado.... <snip> because she was a voting inspector. She was in charge of a voting area, and she saw boxes of votes come in and she went over to check it and they put her in jail for voter manipulation...."

He's clearly stating that he believes Democrat controlled states and counties are corrupt and the voting process should be regulated on a national level. While I agree "Nationalized" is the incorrect word to use, establishing rules nationally - for national elections (President) and elections that impact others on a national level (Congress) - is fair and meets the very definition of "common sense".

Trump wasn't asked what he meant by "nationalize" and "take over" but I would bet my life that his definition isn't anywhere close to what you and other knee-jerk leftists believe.

Here's a good take regarding the quote that falls in line with my thoughts and possibly clarrifies far better than I can using the written word.

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Which highlights my point. Why would someone there illegally go vote? They are going to avoid all that.

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Well, in places like Minnesota, your illegal vote might lead to your ability to steal millions of dollars with a fake business. But you know that.

It has ****ed up congressional apportionment.

His point is that you can't prove it. And they'll fight to the death to prevent measures that would allow you to prove it. And if you disagree, you're obviously racist.

You left out the part of my quote where the MSM is repeating over and over again, without any proof, that ICE is arresting US Citizens of the wrong color.

Yes, it is the left and the MSM that is creating the concern, but it isn't helpful to pretend that the concern isn't there.

What concern?

how many illegals were proven to have voted in 2024 election?

A wide spectrum of verifiable sources should help better understand the scale of this issue (illegals voting)? I mean what are we dealing with: 10s of millions, millions, hundreds of thousands, even thousands? And even if it is on the lower side… say in the hundreds, are they concentrated to a specific election area that would give credence to possible coordinated efforts to undermine election integrity. Or are these numbers in the hundreds simply scattered as "noise" that doesn't even register as more than 3 ten thousandths of a percent?

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oh no said:

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why do low IQ brainwashed useful idiots get so carried away with defending uncontrolled unauditable no-ID elections or mass-mailed elections and scream about "protecting our democracy"?

how can they possibly disagree that an ID proving the person voting is the person who is registered to vote is a good thing? Showing an ID is not racist voter suppression or voter intimidation unless you're actually not eligible to be a registered voter.

if illegal aliens can't vote in US elections, why do they care if immigration and customs enforcement personnel were monitoring for compliance to election laws?

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These people see politcs as a game. They want their team to win. They don't care that they are getting screwed by their party.

The only way they can keep their power is to get illegals on the voter rolls and illegally harvest these votes after polls close when they know how many votes they need. Plus, all the illegals adds to their census and thus gives blue states more reps.

Thus, while these policies greatly hurt them and totally destroys democracy, they scream to keep them in place so their team wins.

Don't try to put logic into the subject when talking about the mind of a liberal. These people don't care about issues. Hell, they have to get paid to show up for their protests. No, they only care about their team winning.

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there are dozens of clips of democrat leadership over the past few decades - from Bill and Hillary to Biden to Barack... even Tom Daschle, Harry Reid, and Chuck Schumer... talking about things like border security, "legal" immigration, election security and illegals not being able to vote. ...why did the democrat narrative change in the last decade to promoting wide open borders without a single solitary F given for citizens' safety, to no-IDs and mass-mailed in elections? ...well because large chunks of government-dependent socialist voting base left them for a populist movement. the left went off the reservation and a large part of the dem base, especially minorities and working class, switched to common sense. So now what if the socialist leaders can't trick the masses into voting us into socialism? rig the elections with a scamdemic and mass-mailed harvesting operations? can probably only do that once. now what? import more government-dependent poors by the millions, let them vote, and give them a "path to amnesty"? just trick the low IQ masses that an ID is "racist voter suppression".

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You left out the part of my quote where the MSM is repeating over and over again, without any proof, that ICE is arresting US Citizens of the wrong color.

Yes, it is the left and the MSM that is creating the concern, but it isn't helpful to pretend that the concern isn't there.

What concern?

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Voter intimidation is a thing, and we should be concerned about it.

It is a concern if US citizens that are Hispanic may be intimidated by ICE being at polling locations due to the lies spread by the MSM. That intimidation might be unfounded, but it is plausible, and a problem. You can't just say "hey Jose, get a little smarter" and pretend that it doesn't exist.

There are better ways to reduce voting by illegal aliens than putting ICE at the polls, as has been laid out in this thread.

OP is peak stupidity.

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how many illegals were proven to have voted in 2024 election?

A wide spectrum of verifiable sources should help better understand the scale of this issue (illegals voting)? I mean what are we dealing with: 10s of millions, millions, hundreds of thousands, even thousands? And even if it is on the lower side… say in the hundreds, are they concentrated to a specific election area that would give credence to possible coordinated efforts to undermine election integrity. Or are these numbers in the hundreds simply scattered as "noise" that doesn't even register as more than 3 ten thousandths of a percent?

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Not sure what side of the issue you are on, but it is just an intellectually dishonest position to ask for proof of fraud across the country when the states are trying very hard not to accidently run into the proof.

When the state of California passes a statewide law that conservative counties can't ask for valid ID to hold their elections, you have to ask yourself why? Why pass that law? There is no legitimate reason to pass such a law except to expand illegal voting.

If we did find substantial proof of illegal alien voting in the places where the courts have allowed the DOJ to turn over the rocks, is it an intellectually honest argument to extrapolate that to the rest of the US?

cevans_40 said:

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OP is peak stupidity.

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Time to push the reset button and switch usernames back to RONA Ag.

FarmerFran said:

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Rapier108 said:

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Bannon isn't part of the administration. He's nothing but a loudmouth with a microphone who says more dumb **** than Alex Jones.

But he gets all you leftists to freak out on a daily basis so as least he's useful for something.

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Oh so is Trump calling for nationalizing elections yesterday also nothing to be worried about?

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This doesn't concern me at all because there is not enough context to have a clue about what he meant when he said that.

What does Trump mean when he calls for "nationalizing elections" during a private phone call to a politically savvy individual?

Is there a chance that what he actually meant, in the context of that conversation, was actually legal and not-at-all anything to worry about?

Or, do you have additional context on what he plans to do to "nationalize elections"?

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Do people really not know how many states had the feds overseeing their elections for years under VRA?

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I think that most of them realize that there were laws in place to protect minorities' right to vote after the Civil War. I just think they think it is unfair to apply those laws against people who are trying to cheat for the benefit of their party.

To some people, laws should never be applied equally to everyone, only against the people that they don't like, and to suggest otherwise is completely racist.

BusterAg said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Do people really not know how many states had the feds overseeing their elections for years under VRA?

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I think that most of them realize that there were laws in place to protect minorities' right to vote after the Civil War. I just think they think it is unfair to apply those laws against people who are trying to cheat for the benefit of their party.

To some people, laws should never be applied equally to everyone, only against the people that they don't like, and to suggest otherwise is completely racist.

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Not talking about just after the Civil War (when white Southerners could not vote during Reconstruction.)

i am talking about the 60s, 70s even into the 80s certain locales had fed supervision. Same with certain school districts. I know the order mandating fed supervision of the Pulaski County (Arkansas) until the early 2000s. My FIL was part of finally ending that.

Certainly there is an original uncut video that can be posted that would allow us to make our own determination of exactly what was said/meant versus running it through the filter of "newsweak".

No surprise that someone with this terrible of a take has Fran in their username.

BusterAg said:

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It is a concern if US citizens that are Hispanic may be intimidated by ICE being at polling locations due to the lies spread by the MSM. That intimidation might be unfounded, but it is plausible, and a problem. You can't just say "hey Jose, get a little smarter" and pretend that it doesn't exist.

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The hell I can't. LOL

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annie88 said:

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You left out the part of my quote where the MSM is repeating over and over again, without any proof, that ICE is arresting US Citizens of the wrong color.

Yes, it is the left and the MSM that is creating the concern, but it isn't helpful to pretend that the concern isn't there.

What concern?

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Voter intimidation is a thing, and we should be concerned about it.

It is a concern if US citizens that are Hispanic may be intimidated by ICE being at polling locations due to the lies spread by the MSM. That intimidation might be unfounded, but it is plausible, and a problem. You can't just say "hey Jose, get a little smarter" and pretend that it doesn't exist.

There are better ways to reduce voting by illegal aliens than putting ICE at the polls, as has been laid out in this thread.

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Tell me you have never traveled anywhere without telling me you have never traveled anywhere. There are many places in the world where voter intimidation occurs. It isnt in the US.


On another note, I am so glad you are here to protect our brown brothers and sisters who are helpless without bigoted white knights coming to their aid.

When the KKK or the Black Panthers show up at the booth, lets talk about voter intimidation, until then cut the BS. LEOs arent the issue.


Finally, i have spent much of my life overseas, across Asia, Africa and the ME. I happen to be in one of those places right now. (Yes it is very early morning here…). I'm sitting by another American who is naturalized and grew up third world.

We were discussing this thread, and he is literally mocking leftists and progressives for their bigotry.

It is repugnant, disgusting and dishonest. THAT IS WHAT WE SHOULD BE AFRAID OF… that they are blatantly bigots and think they can pretend otherwise. It is disgusting.

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Logos Stick said:

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Ensuring minorities don't show up to polls under threat of being detained with no evidence.

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LOL, what?

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ICE has the ability to detain people they perceive as being potentially not from this country without warrant . That means even people with valid ID that show up to polls that aren't white can be detained which is voter intimidation

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Or an error/mistake.

FFS

cevans_40 said:

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OP is peak stupidity.

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But OP's post also brought out some of TA's most well known leftist stooges for everyone else to laugh at.

FarmerFran said:

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Logos Stick said:

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Quote:

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Ensuring minorities don't show up to polls under threat of being detained with no evidence.

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LOL, what?

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ICE has the ability to detain people they perceive as being potentially not from this country without warrant . That means even people with valid ID that show up to polls that aren't white can be detained which is voter intimidation

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Weeeeeeeeeee

Uh, you are paranoid with broken politics

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how many illegals were proven to have voted in 2024 election?

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It's almost as if setting up a system with no accountability means you can't prove someone isn't ineligible to participate in it. Why is that?

oh no said:

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Science Denier said:

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oh no said:

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why do low IQ brainwashed useful idiots get so carried away with defending uncontrolled unauditable no-ID elections or mass-mailed elections and scream about "protecting our democracy"?

how can they possibly disagree that an ID proving the person voting is the person who is registered to vote is a good thing? Showing an ID is not racist voter suppression or voter intimidation unless you're actually not eligible to be a registered voter.

if illegal aliens can't vote in US elections, why do they care if immigration and customs enforcement personnel were monitoring for compliance to election laws?

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These people see politcs as a game. They want their team to win. They don't care that they are getting screwed by their party.

The only way they can keep their power is to get illegals on the voter rolls and illegally harvest these votes after polls close when they know how many votes they need. Plus, all the illegals adds to their census and thus gives blue states more reps.

Thus, while these policies greatly hurt them and totally destroys democracy, they scream to keep them in place so their team wins.

Don't try to put logic into the subject when talking about the mind of a liberal. These people don't care about issues. Hell, they have to get paid to show up for their protests. No, they only care about their team winning.

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there are dozens of clips of democrat leadership over the past few decades - from Bill and Hillary to Biden to Barack... even Tom Daschle, Harry Reid, and Chuck Schumer... talking about things like border security, "legal" immigration, election security and illegals not being able to vote. ...why did the democrat narrative change in the last decade to promoting wide open borders without a single solitary F given for citizens' safety, to no-IDs and mass-mailed in elections? ...well because large chunks of government-dependent socialist voting base left them for a populist movement. the left went off the reservation and a large part of the dem base, especially minorities and working class, switched to common sense. So now what if the socialist leaders can't trick the masses into voting us into socialism? rig the elections with a scamdemic and mass-mailed harvesting operations? can probably only do that once. now what? import more government-dependent poors by the millions, let them vote, and give them a "path to amnesty"? just trick the low IQ masses that an ID is "racist voter suppression".

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Back then, they could win without cheating. Now, they have gone so far left, nobody will vote for them.

But, they HAVE to go so far left because they are funded by guys like Soros that want fundamental change to TRUELY destroy our democracy. For a while, they could get by with lying about their policies. Not any more. They have to actually RUN on destroying our democracy. While there are still lunatics that buy their crap (the folks I mentioned above), there are not enough to get them elected, thus the need to cheat.

That's the change. Run on destroying democracy here and then cheat to win elections.

FarmerFran said:

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Rapier108 said:

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Bannon isn't part of the administration. He's nothing but a loudmouth with a microphone who says more dumb **** than Alex Jones.

But he gets all you leftists to freak out on a daily basis so as least he's useful for something.

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Oh so is Trump calling for nationalizing elections yesterday also nothing to be worried about?

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Art of the deal....

FarmerFran said:

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Steve Bannon actively stating that ICE agents will be at polling places in order for people to not be able to "steal elections". Complete and utter voter intimidation. Ensuring minorities don't show up to polls under threat of being detained with no evidence.

https://www.newsweek.com/steve-bannon-proposes-using-ice-in-elections-11462376

This administration is a direct threat to our democracy

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Shutup.

You don't care about 'muh democracy'.

You only care about power - power attained by any means possible. That includes allowing illegals to vote, ballot harvesting, mass mail in fraud, and other nefarious means.

Are you that stupid or trolling ? Why would ICE bother any American citizen when voting ? I hope they show up in force!

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annie88 said:

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You left out the part of my quote where the MSM is repeating over and over again, without any proof, that ICE is arresting US Citizens of the wrong color.

Yes, it is the left and the MSM that is creating the concern, but it isn't helpful to pretend that the concern isn't there.

What concern?

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Voter intimidation is a thing, and we should be concerned about it.

It is a concern if US citizens that are Hispanic may be intimidated by ICE being at polling locations due to the lies spread by the MSM. That intimidation might be unfounded, but it is plausible, and a problem. You can't just say "hey Jose, get a little smarter" and pretend that it doesn't exist.

There are better ways to reduce voting by illegal aliens than putting ICE at the polls, as has been laid out in this thread.

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Why would any citizen of the United States regardless of race be worried about ICE? That makes no sense.

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FarmerFran said:

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Rapier108 said:

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Bannon isn't part of the administration. He's nothing but a loudmouth with a microphone who says more dumb **** than Alex Jones.

But he gets all you leftists to freak out on a daily basis so as least he's useful for something.

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Oh so is Trump calling for nationalizing elections yesterday also nothing to be worried about?

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Art of the deal....

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They still don't get it. Their hatred and constant victimization is just blinding.

But I'm sure these are the people that still believe that he said he wanted a bloodbath regarding the election and not the automotive industry and said that Nazis are good people. They're probably still looking for the gay concentration camps and when slavery is going to come back for blacks.