Canada next, eh?

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Carney/Canada is going to get hosed.

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Wow.
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What are illicit tobacco products?
BQ78
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Tobacco that avoids taxes. Remember the "I can't breathe" guy in NYC selling illicit tobacco.
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More than 4.3M illegal cigarettes seized by New Brunswick peace officers

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Officers stopped a truck towing a cargo trailer and arrested a 32-year-old man from Ontario. The government said they found 3,510,000 unstamped cigarettes, which they seized. A 2022 GMC Sierra 2500 truck and an enclosed cargo trailer were also seized.


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"When you buy illegal (illicit) cigarettes, you may also be supporting organized criminal networks who are trying to establish themselves in your community. Working together with our law enforcement partners is important to discouraging this and other illegal activity in our province."


Oh, they thought you said illegal cigarettes,
not illegal aliens.
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I have friends and relatives in Canada and I am pro-Canada, and although I disagree with your position on Canada and Carney, some of the weekly stuff you post is credible and very interesting. I appreciate you doing that effort and keeping the thread going.

However, if you want more of the Canada information you post to be taken seriously, it would be wise to use credible sources instead of the obvious shills and known corrupt liars like Tricia McLaughlin.

McLaughlin used to be the chief spokesperson and head of communications at DHS in this Trump 2.0 admin. Like her ex-boss Noem, she's dishonest, corrupt, and a proven documented serial liar. One of the many examples of her malfeasance: the wastrful and corrupt DHS $200M+ ad campaign. At DHS, she and Noem approved it. The advertising firm McLaughlin's husband heads as CEO received over $200 million for the DHS advertising campaign. This was blatant corruption, self-dealing, and imo it was the same as de facto stealing of taxpayer dollars. FCC documents named McLaughlin as the decision maker for the $220 million in government contracts for the ad campaign. She got caught and was forced to resign in disgrace. Just like Noem.
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Thx, I didn't really follow that closely, though fwiw the DHS general counsel later said nothing unethical happened (if I had to guess the sums implied in some headlines were overblown, as with her involvement directing the awards).

I try to stick with credible folks but sometimes the social media spotlight includes some that are less so. In any case, she and Breanna here I think are on point regarding the border with Canada. Money laundering and the drug trade continue to be a big issue Carney isn't addressing, especially in the 'tribal' portions on their side.

I think it's implausible at this point that an agreement is reached relative to USMCA and tariffs in the next 16 or so days, so Trump will either flinch and extend the deadline, or Canada is going to suffer an economic earthquake. It will be interesting to see which way it goes, I can't make an honest prediction.
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50% tariffs still looking almost inevitable on the 19th this month.


Canadian leadership are absolutely rock stupid, imho.
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Hold up, bro. This was stated on another thread yesterday:

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Carney is an absolute economic genius and he is whooping our butt. Canada lucked into an incredible leader at the perfect time.
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DeschutesAg said:

I have friends and relatives in Canada and I am pro-Canada, and although I disagree with your position on Canada and Carney, some of the weekly stuff you post is credible and very interesting. I appreciate you doing that effort and keeping the thread going.

However, if you want more of the Canada information you post to be taken seriously, it would be wise to use credible sources instead of the obvious shills and known corrupt liars like Tricia McLaughlin.

McLaughlin used to be the chief spokesperson and head of communications at DHS in this Trump 2.0 admin. Like her ex-boss Noem, she's dishonest, corrupt, and a proven documented serial liar. One of the many examples of her malfeasance: the wastrful and corrupt DHS $200M+ ad campaign. At DHS, she and Noem approved it. The advertising firm McLaughlin's husband heads as CEO received over $200 million for the DHS advertising campaign. This was blatant corruption, self-dealing, and imo it was the same as de facto stealing of taxpayer dollars. FCC documents named McLaughlin as the decision maker for the $220 million in government contracts for the ad campaign. She got caught and was forced to resign in disgrace. Just like Noem.

Thank you for regurgitating Wikipedia...
You can turn off signatures, btw
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It's almost pitiable.
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nortex97 said:



Although correct, this graph is somewhat deceiving.

The truth is - the US has dramatically outperformed almost all of it's major western developed-country peers by a similar margin since 2014-15. i.e. Germany, Australia, UK, France, etc. Canada is not unique.
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Canada has performed uniquely poorly however.

Largely because of their leftist Labour policies that lead to economic situations such as below:

Exactly what DSA Democrats in the US salivate about being able to do to Americans.
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It's frankly incredible that Canada has become such a failure in the western world sharing a border with us. They should at least be somewhat close to us due to sheer proximity.
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They had to work at it. Which they did.


When you import 5+ million 3rd worlders into a nation of 35 million, the ramifications happen...pretty quickly. But hey, they vote left just like they do here, so their Liberal Party consider it a sacrifice that was/is worth it. When open borders socialism starts failing economically, the answer is more socialism.
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'Canada battles the clock.'
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Trump has justified the tariffs as a response to what he deems Ottawa's discriminatory treatment of US automobiles, dairy products and alcoholic drinks.

While Trump has aimed a slew of punitive trade measures at Canada since reentering the White House, the latest tariffs invoked under the first-ever application of Section 338 of the Tariff Act of 1930 are notable for applying to goods that qualify for duty-free treatment under the United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement.

Despite Trump's tariffs on sectors such as autos and steel, exemptions in the three-way deal, which was ratified during the first Trump administration, have allowed an estimated 85 percent of US-Canadian trade to remain tariff-free.

"These latest tariffs, if implemented, will hurt small, medium and large-sized businesses, and self-employed people right across the country, from growers of flower bulbs and beekeepers to makers of hockey equipment, to the cement industry to dairy and wine," says Julian Karaguesian, a lecturer and trade expert at McGill University in Montreal.

"Tariffs of 50 percent would effectively price hundreds of Canadian goods out of the US market."
While talks between Canadian and US officials on a potential trade deal are taking place behind closed doors, it is no secret that the negotiations have been fraught.

On Monday, Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney, who has said he expects to speak to Trump before the Wednesday deadline, described the negotiations as "delicate" and "intense".

Too little, too late.
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Update; 3 day pause for 'deal' says Trump, involving some sort of re-start on the Keystone XL pipeline.


A little disappointing, tbf. But I'm sure this will be celebrated on the gas prices thread.
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I fully expect this deal to get made and then the next Dem potus immediately kills Keystone again and it won't get finished. All for naught.
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Yes, pulling in CA crude to our refineries is a good thing.
Should have happened in Trumps 1st 3 months though.
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Ottawa hates/subjugates Alberta just as NY/CA would like to do to Texas.

Good, if...real. I assume this means dairy as well. Not sure.
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Update; there's a newer thread I know but we are now in the FO phase of FAFO, complete with dueling realities.

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Canada dumps around ONE BILLION liters of milk EVERY YEAR. Then we block trade with America and tariff the **** out of them to ENSURE we don't have an alternative. Any time in history its ever mentioned to be debated Quebec throws up arms.

Yesterday, they were saying dairy was the line for Canada. We just ruined countless business and lives so Quebec can force a communistic, gangster dictatorship over milk/dairy, and Carney doesn't want to upset them with their upcoming independence focused election. That's what happened today.


Personally, I don't buy the Canadian story line one bit.
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Sounds like your average Canadian are pretty bought into screwing themselves and support Carney.

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Just 18% [of Canadians] back making concessions to get a deal, according to an Abacus Data survey this week.

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Stupid frogs run Canada in the east. Carve out the west and trade with them directly
I hate tu. It's in my blood.
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Again they are fed propaganda almost hourly. And they never sent their best.

I guess Julia Louis Dreyfus and the cast of Veep were unavailable for the mission. Freeland (grand daughter of a genocidal nazi btw) later quit in a huff with Carney and was replaced by this...thing:

The very best they could do was always going to be 'utter failure.'
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Sending angry, fat women and four kids to negotiate against the leader of the free world?

WTH? lol.
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Sounds like your average Canadian are pretty bought into screwing themselves and support Carney.


Negotiating a mutually beneficial resolution to a dispute becomes far more difficult after either side repeatedly displays open contempt.
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Vestal_Flame said:

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Sounds like your average Canadian are pretty bought into screwing themselves and support Carney.


Negotiating a mutually beneficial resolution to a dispute becomes far more difficult after either side repeatedly displays open contempt.
Jmho, I believe a majority of Americans disapprove of the way Trump and his MAGA acolytes have insulted, denigrated, disrespected, and expressed hatred for Canada and our other longtime allies.

At a minimum, we should be showing proper respect to our friends. Canada certainly has earned it. Not long after 9-11-2001, we Americans invoked NATO Article V. The only time in history a NATO member has invoked Article V, iirc.

Our friends to the north answered our call for help. Many of the Trump supporters who express hatred for Canada now slept safely in their beds twenty years ago while Canadian soldiers were fighting, bleeding, and dying for us.





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Thats great and all but what have you done for me lately?

Canada is peak woke and they have written it into their laws and policies. I like Canadians in general, but their govt sucks donkey balls.
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Yup. Those 158 are just like the roughly 400 Canadians who bled out on Juno, as well. It is shameful that we forget.
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DeschutesAg said:


Our friends to the north answered our call for help. Many of the Trump supporters who express hatred for Canada now slept safely in their beds twenty years ago while Canadian soldiers were fighting, bleeding, and dying for us.







This was before Canada's liberal revolution. It is very different today. Even most Canadian's want out.
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Things were different 20 years ago.

Liberal Rot has gutted our "allies" and they have been taking advantage of the security agreements by demanding trade terms that favor them while not spending enough enough on defense, see: Russia vs Ukraine.

Also, they will make deals with terrorists without blinking an eye. See: Iran.

The Post WWII order is gone. People are just starting to wake up that reality.
aTm '99
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Excellent post. Our old 'friends' aren't our friends anymore. A new realignment is coming. The midterms and Iran have stalled things. 2 years from now, the geopolitical world will look very different.
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YouBet said:

It's frankly incredible that Canada has become such a failure in the western world sharing a border with us. They should at least be somewhat close to us due to sheer proximity.

Trudeau and Carney have done an amazing job of tapping into the Canadian insecurity complex with the US to their demise. They so badly want to be treated as an equal partner and major player when they just aren't. They have taken so much pride for decades how people like them better than Americans because they seemed friendly and chill but they could only do that because the US took care of keeping them safe and set up a trade policy that basically subsidized them.

All of that is basically over and now Canadians are trying to shift into this tough guy "Elbows up!" idiocy where they suddenly think they are badasses that can push the US around. Americans outside of a few states don't even think about Canada for the most part. It's fascinating to me listening to some Canadian outlets acting like this is THE story and most Americans are "meh". Canada acting like they are big and bad is more likely to induce laughter than serious concern outside of cultural elites and people looking to hate Trump or worry about "how well we are liked in the world".

The reality is Canada has virtually all of their O&G going through US pipelines and we only buy from them because we can get it at a discount. Lumber and potash are nice. Outside of that there really isn't much we need from them. Meanwhile their entire Eastern economy (which is most of the population) relies on us letting them build cars and other industrial equipment and ship it to us, often US manufacturing companies. Without that O&G flow through the US they would be paying $20/gallon in Toronto. All of the real value in Canada come from Alberta and Saskatchewan who keep flirting with secession and are very out of step with Eastern Canada. They also aren't likely to want to have their oil money to the US shut off because Quebec wants French labels on imports.

Most Canadians just watch the CBC or other liberal news outlets that pump them full of nonsense and Trump hate 24/7. They have no clue just how naive they are. In the meantime they are ignoring how they are falling further and further behind economically and are burning the only bridge that can save them. If AB and SK secede the rest of the country will be 3rd world within a decade. Canadians see Europeans cheering them on but ignore that the EU sure as hell isn't going to let Canada start importing industrial goods without tariffs to Europe, it's even more laughable what China will do to them. Economies that are export driven and produce the same basic goods will always be competitors. It's not like Canada can build an economy on shipping maple syrup to the EU.
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DeschutesAg said:

Vestal_Flame said:

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Sounds like your average Canadian are pretty bought into screwing themselves and support Carney.


Negotiating a mutually beneficial resolution to a dispute becomes far more difficult after either side repeatedly displays open contempt.

Jmho, I believe a majority of Americans disapprove of the way Trump and his MAGA acolytes have insulted, denigrated, disrespected, and expressed hatred for Canada and our other longtime allies.

At a minimum, we should be showing proper respect to our friends. Canada certainly has earned it. Not long after 9-11-2001, we Americans invoked NATO Article V. The only time in history a NATO member has invoked Article V, iirc.

Our friends to the north answered our call for help. Many of the Trump supporters who express hatred for Canada now slept safely in their beds twenty years ago while Canadian soldiers were fighting, bleeding, and dying for us.







While we appreciate their sacrifice it was strategically symbolic and it happened before my college aged sons were born. Not sure why we need to subsidize them for eternity for engaging in a war that was also in their national interests.
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I think Carney is secretly enjoying Trump's unhinged flailing. It certainly isn't hurting his party.

https://www.canadianpolling.com/p/conservatives-keep-setting-new-lows?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
 
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